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Online monitoring service by Lowell police and School department

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Wicked1911, Feb 23, 2015.

  1. Wicked1911

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    Hmmm am I the only one that sees a problem with this? [hmmm]

    http://www.lowellsun.com/todayshead...rvice-by#4225F9EEFBEE9EC41F9493AFED421071E9DF


     
  2. DarthRevan

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    Big brother is here, no more waiting.

    I do believe the phrase "wings on pigs" have been used here in the past, better be careful guys !
     
  4. Ben Cartwright SASS

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  6. Terminator03

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    Yep, a few years too late maybe, but it's here nonetheless! This is sounds alarmingly similar to the TV show "Person of Interest". I doubt it will be very long before A.I. is integrated into these applications as well as integration of traffic and other surveillance cameras. I know some will call "tinfoil", but it's getting closer every day.
     
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    There is no "right person." This type of software is an invasion of privacy and should not be allowed to exist.
     
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    I am going with this
     
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    Just makes me think that's its time for some to move out of Lowell, but then again....... its just a sad matter of time when this is in every US town & city (or, maybe it already is, but its jut not in the public news)
     
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    If this were adopted, how many people are they going to hire to screen all the data that gets flagged? Reminds me of being on the Sub, guys in radio had a keyword filter and if something popped, the email would be read to identify it's contents before being distributed to the crew/or released outbound. For a crew of 146, that often took a few hours. I can't imagine an entire city.
     
  12. Kevski

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    This type of BS is nothing new for the city of Lowell. Recall a few years ago Kevin Murphy, now city manager I believe, drafted a piece of legislation requiring people with more than 10 firearms to have their safes hardwired to the Lowell Police Department so they knew when the safe was being opened.
     
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    If that's the case, what the hell do they want it for?

    Those products are made - by design - to spy on people.
     
  14. JackOfAllTrades

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    Just start ending all posts with:

    "Hi there Lowell police! Guns, Drugs, Some other Search term"

    Flood them with hits.
     
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    They want it to show you what a good job they are doing and justify an over inflated budget.

    Look at all of this mayhem we have prevented, think of the children.

    It is too easy these days to collect phone data, plate readers and facebook information.

    If you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail. And I do mean nail...you.
     
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    I would like to know how exactly they know a post came from Lowell. Ip Location is not that precise. This type of system is really scarey and ripe for abuse.
     
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    This shit is beyond ****ed up. [puke]
     
  18. drgrant

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    When dumbasses with unsecured FB pages (that post everything in public) have their location, etc, listed, or they "check in" at some location or another, that system can analyze it and basically use a form of deductive reasoning to figure out where the person is posting from or at least what town they live in, or what places they visit, etc.

    Of course the "system is ripe for abuse" but on the other hand there's this argument is it really abuse if some retard is basically prancing around with a bullhorn going "here I am look at me this is what I am doing ZOMG WTF BBQ!!!!!!!" I know some people who basically post half their life existence on FB, I'm honestly surprised some of these people aren't posting pics of the dump they just took or whatever to report on its quality, because they whore for attention so much. [laugh]

    Brings up a fun ethical question- is it spying if some guy goes into the town square and holds up a sign that says "I AM GONNA ROB XYZ BANK TOMORROW!!!!" and then the police conveniently show up there and arrest the guy 60 seconds after he robs the bank? [laugh]

    I don't like the "surveillance state" we're in either, but where do we draw the line... if someone is posting something publicly accessible with their real name, isn't that essentially in the public domain? If it's just floating around out there, it's not like they had to conduct anything resembling an illegal search to recover that "evidence".

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    Pretty amazing. I was hoping that app would be invented so I can find something to do on boring nights in town.

    Trouble with all that data is that somebody is going to have to sift through that mess.

    Looks like a keyboard commando dream job.

    Where can I apply?
     
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    Do it from the Lowell PD's guest wifi, into a honeytrap Facebook account posing as the Lowell COP.
     
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  22. Woodsy

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    Another reason to avoid FB and any other social site except Northeastshooters :)
     
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    Don't have an issue with that scenario as long as they arrest after the attempt is made - they are talking about arresting pre-action.

    Also, did anyone notice the two keywords that were mentioned - "for example, if we were looking for something to do with suicide or guns." Post a rant about your bad day and show up as having an LTC and it's SWAT time.
     
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    This! And it will happen, slowly over time they expand the "words" the key off of to be mostly anything they want. That is how government rolls, it goes to the maximum not minimum. Maybe if they dealt with the driving factors of vioence etc the police wouldnt neednt to have a Leo in each home.
     
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    I wonder how many cops and pols they'll bust in their little 4th amendment violation sting.....
     
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    How would this even work? Government employees don't seem to understand how the internet works. If I am actually posting from at home in Lowell to Facebook, they might be able to tell my connection originates from Lowell, but the Facebook servers are in Utah or something, and SSL is on by default. And unless the post is public, they should not be able to see it, unless FB grants special access to the data from this monitoring company. Now, we all know the NSA has this special access, but a private company?
     
  27. ckaminski

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    This is the shit you get when you have lots of free money flying around. Nobody does any of the old gumshoe work that catches the REAL criminals anymore. The Fibbies and local LEOs get to MAKE criminals now, because crime is so damn low, and terrorists really apparently don't hate America enough to come here and burn and behead local x-ians.
     
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    Seems like it would be real easy to screw with them.
    I agree with your Facebook rant. it is amazing how people feel they need to post their every move. I have a very small Facebook account that i opened while looking for a job but hardly use it at all.
     
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    Anything sent or posted from a smartphone comes with GPS coordinates. I would expect the database to associate smart phone ownership with other social media accounts so anything posted from anywhere would be associated with the user's GPS coordinates. "The program uses the archived databases to identify "influential posters" and posting trends, according to the company's website. The program can also track the location of posters and map their movements."

    Every user agreement for anything you use to communicate gives the provider permission to do this stuff. It's the back-door surveillance state and you've already agreed to it. The only way to escape this now is to go off-grid.

    What really surprised me was how cheap the service is. $17,000 annually for the City of Lowell? Peanuts. Tells you how much business this company must be doing and how automated their product is.
     
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  30. Squire

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    That is an irrelevant detail. Dracut residents need equally to be subjected to a police state as well.

    "We need this overreaching power to keep you safe, and will never use it beyond that purpose" sounds exactly like something Hitler would say.

    Newsflash, Jack Booted Thugs of Lowell: your job of figuring out who is going to commit a crime is hard BY DESIGN, because per the Constitution, people are innocent until proven guilty; to be guilty, the act must first be perpetrated, and no amount of technology can allow you to predict pre-crime. The Grand Jury in NYC got it right in the case they cited.
     

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