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Once you go 80%.......

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by djbradles, Apr 30, 2019.

  1. brain_8972

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    collecting aluminum chips of course!
     
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    I get that and its why I put "Investment" in quotes and stated that an AR is just a tool.

    A tools value is in its ability to perform some task/function and generally dont retain their value (generally) other than to continue to get some task done
     
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  3. Dennis in MA

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    I concur for an AR. It is cheap. And you only need so many lowers. UPPERS are what gitz'ya.

    In Mass, maybe. In free states, it's not really a bother. Which is why some Congresscritters want to pass a full background law. Because in most states, it's a handshake and cash exchange and nothing more. Sure Beadreaux bought those 5 lowers from Betcherass Gun Shop. And then sold them to 5 (or 1) other people. Gun traces aren't for solving crimes a la Law & Order.

    I have to say - I was futzing with my P80 the other night seeing if it would fit into a CAA MCK (it doesn't - not even close) and realized how cool of a pistol it really is. Fits nice. It's 100% mine. Trigger is amazing. (And I can handle a normal Glock trigger with no issues.) I'm pretty proud of "making" it. That's the primary joy.

    Yes, it's registered. Retarded MA laws. And no, I'd never carry it because if I HAD to use it, I'd stand more of a chance of being boned.
     
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    This is all new to me but I have been thinking about picking up a P80 frame myself. After the build is finished, what’s the process of registering it?
     
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    Must engrave a serial number and EFA10 it. Can’t use a sharpie marker.
     
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    Yeah, after the last message you sent me about the Hudson and the CZ you had to sell I can imagine it is old as hell. Definitely agree it's not a sound idea and I would rather find an alternative than selling things in a rush for 50-60% of value when with patience it could fetch 70-80%. Definitely like the idea of next time I have the idea of buying a gun I don't really need and my want it just a stupid want just throwing that into the second account to prevent a future sale. Luckily I've only ever had to sell one gun.
     
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    It’s buy and hold investing for me when it comes to guns
     
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    Hold up here! You do not need to engrave a serial number unless you really really want to. EFA10 within 7 days--yes, serial number--no.

    Now if you're going to sell it, then yes, it needs to be marked according to ATF guidelines.
     
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  9. headednorth

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    Can you sell it without an manufacturer's license?
     
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    Yes, but you can't manufacture it with the intent to sell it. If, at some point after you have finished it, you do decide you want to sell it, you must then serialize it according to the ATF guidelines.
     
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    Thank you the correction
     
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    I have had a lot of fun building 80% AR’s and Glocks. But then again I am a pretty hard core DIY guy. I don’t do it to save $$$ because obviously you don’t. I do it for enjoyment, to learn something and most important to me the satisfaction of owning a gun that I built myself.

    The guns that I built myself run just as well as any of my other guns that I bought. Although some of my 80% builds (especially some of the Glocks) have needed some tweaking, But again I look at that as fun and a chance to really learn the inner workings of a gun. The only thing I did not like when done was the unfinished raw look when you open up an 80% AR. I am embarrassed to admit this but it bugged me so much that I went back a disassembled all of my lowers and painted the inside with black semi-gloss solvent resistant engine enamel. Now when I break down an 80% AR it looks just like any other one.
     
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    0BF34FAE-62DE-4FE3-AF91-8CA105769141.jpeg I agree, starting from 0% is way fun.
     
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    In my interpretation of the fed laws around 80%, the "manufacture with intent...." is correct. If I mill out an 80% and decide some time later I no longer want it, I can sell it. If I milled it for someone else from the go, that's a no-no. However, serialization is only required on guns made by licensed manufacturers, so no SN required. All of this being said, who would sell a completed 80%....?
     
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    There are some cheap metal stamps on fleabay for like $5. Think that would work OK?
     
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    So when you EFA10 the gun with no serial number, you just leave that field blank and it lets you submit?
     
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    No, you have to put a serial number on a gun you made for yourself once you get tired of it, and want to sell it.
     
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    But if caught with it it may prove sticky according to that thread I referenced. Again, it’s been 8 years since that thread and the only trouble I’ve seen with unserialized firearms is with high volume criminal manufacturers or addendum criminal charges in this state.
     
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    I’m pretty sure you can leave the serial number blank but I have not tried it myself. Is it true?
     
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    Learned something new, thanks.
     
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    From John Green during the Mass gun law seminar I just attended literally 2 hours ago: you should put NSN in the serial number field for "No Serial Number."
     
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    Was this seminar in Auburn? Thanks man
     
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    If you intend to actually serialize the firearm there are very specific ATF guidelines for depth and character height. Chances are good that a cheap stamping kit will not meet those standards. So if you're going to have it done, make sure you do it right. Nobody wants a call from the ATF.
     
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    No problem. I didn't actually know the answer to that question until tonight. I always just put in my own serial numbers which is what I think a lot of people do.

    Seminar was held at Southborough Rod & Gun for club members. I believe GOAL offers them as a perk to affiliated clubs.
     
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    Not unless you intend to sell it at a later date.
     
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    Definitely need the SN field filled out.
     
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    Only on the AR9 I just built. I just couldn't pass up the damn sexy forged, matched receiver and handguard set in midnight bronze cerra. Oh and I also couldn't go 80 on the bring-back Arisaka I bought recently either, lol.
     

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