OK, I am going to open a can of worm here...

[sbi]

Don't get me wrong - I support the 2nd amendment, I support our right to own/carry/bear arms, I am against big brother, etc.

But, following the failure of the "thinner" bill in congress today, why are you against background check? I really ask because I want to hear the reasoning, not to start a war about this highly unpopular issue. Do you really believe that anyone, including mentally ill and criminals, should be able to freely purchase guns?
Personally, I have no problem going through a background check when I buy a weapon. I have nothing to hide.
What am I missing here?

 

[Gman021]

But....... (followed by the opposite of what I just said)

 

[jgeebs413]

Dogs should have thumbs so they can carry

 

[Lukes83]

 

[Dressed to Kill]

Don't get me wrong - I support the 2nd amendment, I support our right to own/carry/bear arms, I am against big brother, etc.

But, following the failure of the "thinner" bill in congress today, why are you against background check? I really ask because I want to hear the reasoning, not to start a war about this highly unpopular issue. Do you really believe that anyone, including mentally ill and criminals, should be able to freely purchase guns?
Personally, I have no problem going through a background check when I buy a weapon. I have nothing to hide.
What am I missing here?

You only think you support the 2nd amendment.

 

[GunGrey]

if youre for universal backgrounds check you love big brother

why do you care what others do with their property

mentally ill? nice use of the new boogey man

Criminals? Non violent criminals should have their rights restored once they have served their sentence. Actually we need to fix laws that make crimanals out of nothing like smoking a plant etc.

 

[lancecolonel]

i usually hate this but
IBTL

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i usually hate this but
IBTL

 

[mchncbill]

Where does it stop? Are gays going to marry dogs if they feel like it?

 

[falcon123]

Sorry but you must be green to ask that question.

 

[W.E.C]

Don't get me wrong - I support the 2nd amendment, I support our right to own/carry/bear arms, I am against big brother, etc.

But, following the failure of the "thinner" bill in congress today, why are you against background check? I really ask because I want to hear the reasoning, not to start a war about this highly unpopular issue. Do you really believe that anyone, including mentally ill and criminals, should be able to freely purchase guns?
Personally, I have no problem going through a background check when I buy a weapon. I have nothing to hide.
What am I missing here?

I'd say for starters,you are likely missing an fid.

 

[Dressed to Kill]

I see absolutely NOTHING wrong with two law abiding citizens being able to do a legal transaction of property without the .Gov's permission.

I meet up another law abiding citizen to buy a gun I ask him for his valid LTC he produces it and I show him mine absolutely nothing wrong with that.

I shouldn't have too be forced to pay anywhere between $25-40 per transaction so someone can see if I'm legal , if I still have my LTC then I'm legal and still intend on following the letter of the law.

 

[retroLS1]

Where does it stop? Are gays going to marry dogs if they feel like it?

Only if the dog is gay. This is definitely can of worm.

 

[Duece]

They always say, nothing you say before "but" is what you really mean anyway

 

[mac1911]

I say open the flood gates free for all for any consenting adult old enough to serve in the military or vote.......We already have a back ground check for purchasing guns. There are state laws regulating the "LEGAL" sales of guns. SO unless you are breaking the law everything is hunkydory.
Ask yourself what back ground check would have stopped a 20 year old man from killing his mom and stealing her legal guns ?

 

[GunGrey]

I say open the flood gates free for all for any consenting adult old enough to serve in the military or vote.......We already have a back ground check for purchasing guns. There are state laws regulating the "LEGAL" sales of guns. SO unless you are breaking the law everything is hunkydory.
Ask yourself what back ground check would have stopped a 20 year old man from killing his mom and stealing her legal guns ?

nothin

 

[Neverknowsbest]

just leaving this here

 

[william_munny]

Where to start.

You would think that the mentally ill and criminals are buying their guns at gun shows or from random strangers who are unknowingly selling to dangerous people, but that's generally not the case. A lot of them steal guns from people they know, or they obtain them from people who are not going to follow this new law. You need to remember, mandatory as a universal background check may be, following the law is still a voluntary act. Criminals will continue to elect not to follow it. Law abiding citizens are the ones affected most.

Furthermore, these bills are being touted as the way to prevent mass shootings. Not a single mass shooting in recent history would have been prevented by a background check. Loughner and Holmes actually PASSED a background check with no issues. Lanza killed his mom to steal her guns. Background checks would have prevented none of the atrocities that the media is using to sell them to the public.

And then there's the infringement issue. Sure, there were provisions to protect us from confiscation, but how long will those last? A universal background check would be breaking ground on a national registry. Also, EVERY single transaction has to happen with government approval. Why do we want to give them that kind of authority? As it is, really dumb shit will get you denied - it's really not paranoid to think that at some point down the line, the things that get you denied will become infinitely more arbitrary. What sane person wants to let the government have a hand in every single gun transfer?

Also, here in MA, there are many guns we can ONLY get through private transfers, due to our state's rigid gun control laws that are already place (which, SPOILER ALERT: are not working). So there's that too.

That's just off the top of my head.

 

[jefftk]

Here is Larry Pratt to answer your question (that question is at 2:46):

 

[Hoover]

Don't get me wrong - I support the 2nd amendment, I support our right to own/carry/bear arms, I am against big brother, etc.

But, following the failure of the "thinner" bill in congress today, why are you against background check? I really ask because I want to hear the reasoning, not to start a war about this highly unpopular issue. Do you really believe that anyone, including mentally ill and criminals, should be able to freely purchase guns?
Personally, I have no problem going through a background check when I buy a weapon. I have nothing to hide.
What am I missing here?

The question is yours to answer. Why are you for background checks? The CO movie shooter passed a background check and bought guns, the Shooter in AZ passed the check and bought and the shooter in Va tech passed and bought. Who do you think the checks would stop?

 

[Tyke]

Don't get me wrong - I support the 2nd amendment, I support our right to own/carry/bear arms, I am against big brother, etc.

But, following the failure of the "thinner" bill in congress today, why are you against background check? I really ask because I want to hear the reasoning, not to start a war about this highly unpopular issue. Do you really believe that anyone, including mentally ill and criminals, should be able to freely purchase guns?
Personally, I have no problem going through a background check when I buy a weapon. I have nothing to hide.
What am I missing here?

Fail. Already illegal for felons to possess firearms.

 

[Dressed to Kill]

" I'm not anti 2nd amendment I think everyone should be able to own a shotgun or hunting rifle

People need to get this through their heads I am NOT the problem , I have NEVER been arrested , I've never been in trouble , and I'm sick and tired of being punished for those who have.

Me paying $25-40 per transaction is NOT going to stop some gangbanger or some lunatic from doing harm.

 

[WallHack]

IBTL. "Shall Not Be Infringed" means exactly that. If you ain't in jail or dead, and you live in these United States of America, you have the right to bear arms. I'll support that for anyone.

 

[snd1t]

Don't get me wrong - I support the 2nd amendment, I support our right to own/carry/bear arms, I am against big brother, etc.

But, following the failure of the "thinner" bill in congress today, why are you against background check? I really ask because I want to hear the reasoning, not to start a war about this highly unpopular issue. Do you really believe that anyone, including mentally ill and criminals, should be able to freely purchase guns?
Personally, I have no problem going through a background check when I buy a weapon. I have nothing to hide.
What am I missing here?

I think the better question is why do we allow our rights as citizens to be trampled to mitigate the problems of allowing criminals and those that are insane to walk our streets?

NICS checks don't keep firearms out of the hands of criminals....its a pointless feel good law that only empowers excess gooberment and increases the tax burden on citizens who have to fund leviathan.

 

[Mesatchornug]

First understand that "nothing to hide" is a fallacy. Everyone has something to hide. In case that is not self-evident, here are a couple well written articles on the topic.
Privacy and the "Nothing To Hide" Argument
Why ?I?ve Got Nothing To Hide? Is Such A Fallacy | The Art of Privacy
Debunking a myth: If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear - Identity, Privacy and Trust

Once that is understood, you have to ask "who defines a person as mentally unfit?" Personally, I believe that if someone is so unstable that they're deemed a threat to himself or others, he should be confined, with certain limitations on his rights appropriate to his needs. Similarly, if a criminal is a threat, he should be removed from society until such time as he is no longer a danger.

Of course, all of this should occur *after* due process, as defined relative to the situation. I will be the first to admit I am insufficiently educated on the specifics of the topic to describe exactly what that process looks like, particularly in the case of mental instability.

 

[bullseye]

I am for everyone who wants to have, carry or shoot a firearm to have one, regardless of their past, there are ways society will weed them out, or they weed themselves out. Any type of restrictions on anything in the BOR is not legal, unless you need to be licensed to shit after eating Taco Bell, which for some here, is needed.

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IBTL

 

[noddaduma]

I'm sorry but I can protect myself and my loved ones from thugs and crazy wackos. I don't need the government to do it for me, thank you very much.

What I do need the .gov to do is take the 25% or so of my hard-earned salary that I'll agree to pay them and keep the Communists, Nazis, terrorists, and Socialists from landing on our shores. If for some reason they fail in their duty, I'll go ahead and help pick the bastards off.

Otherwise, the government needs to stay the hell out of my business.

 

[mx250man]

Well, I learned a long time ago there are no absolutes - no matter what people say. However, my perspective on background checks is that they give "someone in control" the ability to deny you your 2A right without any due process. Who is that "someone in control", and what methods are they using to allow or deny you your right? Well, who really knows? You go to buy a gun, a phone call is made, sorry, no go. Now what? Who you gonna call? Who is going to make a big stink on your behalf about someone who wanted to buy a gun and was denied on the 6 o'clock news that is going to shake things up and fix what is broken? And how did you get "on the list"? And how do you get "off the list"? As much as I'd like to think this "simple fix" would solve problems, it won't but cause more problems for people who don't deserve them. Personally, I agree with the "enforce what we have" before we go and invent new new ones. Enforcing what we have will punish violators, while adding more will only burden those that comply.

 

[jbert27]

Don't get me wrong - I support the 2nd amendment, I support our right to own/carry/bear arms, I am against big brother, etc.

But, following the failure of the "thinner" bill in congress today, why are you against background check? I really ask because I want to hear the reasoning, not to start a war about this highly unpopular issue. Do you really believe that anyone, including mentally ill and criminals, should be able to freely purchase guns?
Personally, I have no problem going through a background check when I buy a weapon. I have nothing to hide.
What am I missing here?

Go back to your masters and tell them we see through your sh_t. You are not a brother here.

 

[Reyn]

This would make a great "Abandon Thread" gif

Lets see!

 

[slap shot]

Yeah, You opened a can of worms, then you screw, Is that what we are going to see of you here?

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lib plant, you spotted him