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Actually, some of the stuff in this makes some sense - like knowing how to fix your car. You need a computer, not an adjustable wrench and hammer, these days. [sad]. Of course, that's for FIXING the car.
I don't know how this idea took hold, really, but it's bogus. Modern cars with onboard diagnostics are easier to fix than vintage stuff imho. Reading the code(s) with a $50 OBD2 reader and swapping a part or two is easier than rebuilding a carburetor or setting ignition timing with a timing light.
 

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I take your point, to an extent.

Yes, a code reader will tell you that the fenotny pin is misaigned from the frammis gear, but often it's a HUGE pita to access said pin and gear.

Back in the day, you could access most, if not all, parts of an engine without having to remove half the pieces under the hood.

I was in the car business years ago (sales), and I began to see tools become overly specialized: my first WTF was I asked a tech, "What's up with this bent box-end wrench, did you find a nut that wouldn't move?"
It turned out that the wrench had a curve on about a 30-inch radius, so an alternator bold could be reached. A straight wrench, or a ratchet would not work.

My kid got a code reader from Amazon, and it's quite good about telling him what's wrong with his Jeep, this week! [laugh]. Last, it was the alternator. R&R no problem. "Just Empty Every Pocket"
 

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What percentage of men change a flat tire?
My daughter pinched a tire on the curb last week - made her change it herself. She didn't know how the get the jack out of the holder so while I was talking her through it she says " hold on dad, I'm going to youtube this and call you back"
Ten minutes later she called back on video chat with everything setup to pull the tire
She had to jump on the lug wrench with all of her 100 lbs the get the nuts off but she did it - yes, she did this on video chat laughing the whole time.

People at work think I'm horrible for not paying for AAA for her - that's great until AAA is hours away and a 4'10" girl is stuck on the side of the road.

For those wondering, "Daddy" got the bill for a new tire. Anyone with a little girl knows the difference between "daddy" and "dad"...
 

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I take your point, to an extent.

Yes, a code reader will tell you that the fenotny pin is misaigned from the frammis gear, but often it's a HUGE pita to access said pin and gear.
I wish I could say I take your point but I don't really. If you've done a little wrenching you'd know this isn't really true.

If I think about the codes I've pulled on my own vehicles over the last decade, they'd be things like O2 sensors, coolant temp sensor, misfire codes, etc. All plug-n-play fixes with basic wrenching skills. No fenotny pins.
 

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I wish I could say I take your point but I don't really. If you've done a little wrenching you'd know this isn't really true.

If I think about the codes I've pulled on my own vehicles over the last decade, they'd be things like O2 sensors, coolant temp sensor, misfire codes, etc. All plug-n-play fixes with basic wrenching skills. No fenotny pins.
I guess my real complaint is that there's no room under the hood, anymore. It's all stuffed full of plastic and emissions control hoses.
 

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Question to the under 30 crowd, does anyone buy this stuff?
I'm 33, and NO.

This is just a bunch of BS written to get views, because they need to write about something.

That being said, I would say that 90% of the people I know cant do any of the things mentioned...Hunt, Fight, be a leader ... they also cant shoot, fix anything at home, deal with stress, take criticism, take someone disagreeing with them, have a polite and intelligent conversation with someone that doesnt agree with them, talk about politics ...

Corporate America is full of idiots. And I noticed this with the under 40 crowd.

The older guys can have a debate, they are polite, you can disagree with them as long as it is in a polite way and not attacking them, they will consider your point of view if you have some facts to back it up.

I feel bad for anyone that likes to be challenged and asks a lot of "why", "how"... entering the corporate world today. All these idiots in their 30's will be their bosses. 99% of kids will be fine since they are a bunch of morons right out of college, but the few smart ones that think outside the box will have a tough time if they dont like to shut up and go with the flow.

I wish I could record some of the most stupid conversations people have at work. A new guy from GA said he likes to hunt and eat bear. People in the office almost [email protected] themselves. "That must be a lie", "you cant hunt bear", "who would eat that animal?" ... with that sentence, the guy was automatically rejected from 99% of "groups" because he doesnt fit inside that magical box people have in New England.

Now, all the older guys from SC, NC, TN ... they were all cool with it. We all went out to dinner during a sales QBR, and we were talking guns and hunting.

So, there is a very distinct line and two very different groups, and the age that separates them is around 38-42 years. People above are fine, people below are full blown [email protected]
 
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I guess my real complaint is that there's no room under the hood, anymore. It's all stuffed full of plastic and emissions control hoses.
That I agree with. If you want to keep an older vehicle you have to make the effort to keep your vacuum hoses, check valves, PCV system etc. up to snuff. Can be daunting but again not that bad if you're methodical.
 

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These metrosexuals are obviously destined to become politicians, notice how they already have their hands in someones elses' pocket.
They'll go the same way as the original BetaMax.
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“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And weak men create hard times.”
 

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Most of those skills compliment each other, rather than being mutually exclusive.

Hunting gives you more meat to cook and knowing how to cook makes you appreciate hunting more. A guy who knows how to fight knows his own strength, so he also knows how important it is to prevent conflict (mediate). I know how to code and work on cars: those two skills are not mutually exclusive. A leader knows how to work with and motivate other people to accomplish goals. Discipline is key to success in life, as is being able to communicate.

Fixing the house is simply a necessity and decorating is not. All people should aspire to live humbly and simply without frills. And "learning how to talk about your feelings" is pretty simple: see Spock's colorful metaphors.

 

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I'm 33, and NO.

This is just a bunch of BS written to get views, because they need to write about something.

That being said, I would say that 90% of the people I know cant do any of the things mentioned...Hunt, Fight, be a leader ... they also cant shoot, fix anything at home, deal with stress, take criticism, take someone disagreeing with them, have a polite and intelligent conversation with someone that doesnt agree with them, talk about politics ...

Corporate America is full of idiots. And I noticed this with the under 40 crowd.

The older guys can have a debate, they are polite, you can disagree with them as long as it is in a polite way and not attacking them, they will consider your point of view if you have some facts to back it up.

I feel bad for anyone that likes to be challenged and asks a lot of "why", "how"... entering the corporate world today. All these idiots in their 30's will be their bosses. 99% of kids will be fine since they are a bunch of morons right out of college, but the few smart ones that think outside the box will have a tough time if they dont like to shut up and go with the flow.

I wish I could record some of the most stupid conversations people have at work. A new guy from GA said he likes to hunt and eat bear. People in the office almost [email protected] themselves. "That must be a lie", "you cant hunt bear", "who would eat that animal?" ... with that sentence, the guy was automatically rejected from 99% of "groups" because he doesnt fit inside that magical box people have in New England.

Now, all the older guys from SC, NC, TN ... they were all cool with it. We all went out to dinner during a sales QBR, and we were talking guns and hunting.

So, there is a very distinct line and two very different groups, and the age that separates them is around 38-42 years. People above are fine, people below are full blown [email protected]
You haven't lived until you have eaten bear steak and eggs for breakfast. Just kidding, but it was pretty good.
 
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Author is Canadian , enough said.
Different way of thinking up there.

I had lunch with some Canadian shooters north of Toronto, and mentioned the MA "may issue" licensing system. The reply, and this was from serious handgunners, was "If the police don't think you should have a gun then you obviously shouldn't".
Yes, a code reader will tell you that the fenotny pin is misaigned from the frammis gear, but often it's a HUGE pita to access said pin and gear.
Yes, but will it let you synchronize the cardinal grammeter and also effectively prevent side fumbling while reducing sinusodial depleneration?
 
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I guess my real complaint is that there's no room under the hood, anymore. It's all stuffed full of plastic and emissions control hoses.
And you have to remove the battery, air box, intake, fuel rail, and transaxle to do just about anything beyond a headlamp. Just have to pull the bumper, grille, and headlight assembly for those.
 
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10. Off yourself, simply living is a detriment to the planet and is the most green thing anyone can do. To be even more green elect some selfish person, who you're obviously better than, to add you to the compost heap alongside your friends. Remember you need to do this first before all your friends catch on, it makes you so much more betterer than them.
 
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Different way of think ing up there.

I had lunch with some Canadian shooters north of Toronto, and mentioned the MA "may issue" licensing system. The reply, and this was from serious handgunners, was "If the police don't think you should have a gun then you obviously shouldn't".

Yes, but will it let you synchronize the cardinal grammeter and also effectively prevent side fumbling while reducing sinusodial depleneration?
Depends. Are you running a retro or turbo unit?
 
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Depends. Are you running a retro or turbo unit?
Retro - the one with the differential girdle spring.

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The older guys can have a debate, they are polite, you can disagree with them as long as it is in a polite way and not attacking them, they will consider your point of view if you have some facts to back it up.
Ha!

There's enough shouting and name-calling here from "older guys" to suggest that's not universally true.

I've also had a lot of animated discussions with teenagers and 20 mumbles that were respectful and fact filled to believe the difference isn't age, it's upbringing and personality.
 

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Ha!

There's enough shouting and name-calling here from "older guys" to suggest that's not universally true.

I've also had a lot of animated discussions with teenagers and 20 mumbles that were respectful and fact filled to believe the difference isn't age, it's upbringing and personality.
This is a forum, and people online tend to be tougher than in real life. Also, it is hard to tell if someone is angry or laid back, some posts can come out as very angry when they are not. And a lot of posts attack people, like that government shut down ghread that is several pages of people sh*tting on the CG. I would expect some angry reactions. And there is always the 2 or 3 guys that just have to disagree with everyone.

That being said, what I posted doesnt apply to everyone. You will always have [email protected] ups on every age group. Keep in mind I am talking about corporate guys, talking at work. Maybe outside of work they are total d*cks.
 

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As I cleared snow this morning using a 40 year old snowblower that I have painstakingly maintained and repaired I laughed at the thought of how many of the women marching yesterday on the common were relying on a man to shovel their driveway.
You must not have gone to the linky....the LANDLORD is supposed to take care of that.

Owning a home is so......non- millennial.
 

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my old guy skills are much different than my young guy skills. life is easier now and I really only still use one skill from my younger years...twistin' the top off a beer bottle. must be muscle memory.
 
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