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Gun Owners of America E-Mail Alert
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Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408
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Friday, October 9, 2009

Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus has something to say to gun owners: "Own a gun; lose your coverage!"

Baucus' socialized health care bill comes up for a Finance Committee vote on Tuesday. We have waited and waited and waited for the shifty Baucus to release legislative language. But he has refused to release anything but a summary -- and we will never have a Congressional Budget Office cost assessment based on actual legislation. Even the summary was kept secret for a long time.

But, on the basis of the summary, the Baucus bill (which is still unnumbered) tells us virtually nothing about what kind of policy Americans will be required to purchase under penalty of law -- nor the consequences. It simply says:

* "all U.S. citizens and legal residents would be required to purchase coverage through (1) the individual market...";

* "individuals would be required to report on their federal income tax return the months for which they maintain the required minimum health coverage...";

* in addition to an extensive list of statutorily mandated coverage, HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius would be empowered to "define and update the categories of treatments, items, and services..." within an insurance plan which would be covered in a policy constituting "required minimum health coverage."

ObamaCare and gun control

It is nearly certain that coverage prescribed by the administration will, to control costs, exclude coverage for what it regards as excessively dangerous activities. And, given Sebelius' well-established antipathy to the Second Amendment -- she vetoed concealed carry legislation as governor of Kansas -- we presume she will define these dangerous activities to include hunting and self-defense using a firearm. It is even possible that the Obama-prescribed policy could preclude reimbursement of any kind in a household which keeps a loaded firearm for self-defense.

The ObamaCare bill already contains language that will punish Americans who engage in unhealthy behavior by allowing insurers to charge them higher insurance premiums. (What constitutes an unhealthy lifestyle is, of course, to be defined by legislators.) Don't be surprised if an anti-gun nut like Sebelius uses this line of thinking to impose ObamaCare policies which result in a back-door gun ban on any American who owns "dangerous" firearms.

After all, insurers already (and routinely) drop homeowners from their policies for owning certain types of guns or for refusing to use trigger locks (that is, for keeping their guns ready for self-defense!). While not all insurers practice this anti-gun behavior, Gun Owners of America has documented that some do -- Prudential and State Farm being two of the most well-known.

The good news is that because homeowner insurance is private (and is still subject to the free market) you can go to another company if one drops you. But what are you going to do under nationalized ObamaCare when the regulations written by Secretary Sebelius suspend the applicability of your government-mandated policy because of your gun ownership?

All of this is in addition to something that GOA has been warning you about for several months ... the certainty that minimum acceptable policies will dump your gun information into a federal database ... a certainty that is reinforced by language in the summary providing for a study to "encourage increased meaningful use of electronic health records."

Remember, the federal government has already denied more than 150,000 military veterans the right to own guns, without their being convicted of a crime or receiving any due process of law. They were denied because of medical information (such as PTSD) that the FBI later determined disqualified these veterans to own guns.

Is this what we need on a national level being applied to every gun owner in America?

Incidentally, failure to comply would subject the average family to $1,500 in fines -- and possibly more for a household with older teens. And, although a Schumer amendment purports to exempt Americans from prison sentences for non-purchase of an ObamaPolicy -- something which was never at issue -- it doesn't prohibit them from being sent to prison for a year and fined an additional $25,000 under the Internal Revenue Code for non-payment of the initial fines.

ACTION: Contact your two U.S. Senators. Ask him or her, in the strongest terms, to vote against the phony Baucus bill.

You can use the Gun Owners Legislative Action Center at http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm to send your senators the pre-written e-mail message below.

----- Pre-written letter -----

Dear Senator:

You already know that the phony Baucus bill:

* Is predicated on $283 billion in phony "cuts" which have never, never ever been realized since a similar commitment to cut Medicare costs in the Balanced Budget Act of 1997 -- and will never, never ever be realized under the Baucus bill;

* Requires massive numbers of Americans to have government-approved insurance which the CBO predicts will be more expensive than current policies;

* Refuses to provide a cost for these policies, making it almost certain that more and more Americans will find insurance beyond their reach;

* Has no legislative language and nothing but a CBO "guesstimate" of the cost and benefits, based on a summary.

On the basis of the summary, the Baucus bill tells us virtually nothing about what kind of policy Americans will be required to purchase under penalty of law -- nor the consequences. It does say that the "Secretary of HHS [Kathleen Sebelius] would be required to define and update the categories of treatments, items, and services..." within an insurance plan which would be covered in a policy constituting "required minimum health coverage."

This could spell trouble for gun owners.

It is nearly certain that coverage prescribed by the administration will, to control costs, exclude coverage for what it regards as excessively dangerous activities. And, given Sebelius' well-established antipathy to the Second Amendment -- she vetoed concealed carry legislation as governor of Kansas -- I presume she will define these dangerous activities to include hunting and self-defense using a firearm. It is even possible that the Obama-prescribed policy could preclude reimbursement of any kind in a household which keeps a loaded firearm for self-defense.

This is, of course, in addition to the certainty that minimum acceptable policies will dump my gun information into a federal database -- a certainty that is reinforced by language in the summary providing for a study to "encourage increased meaningful use of electronic health records."

Incidentally, failure to comply would subject the average family to $1,500 in fines -- and possibly more for a household with older teens. And, although a Schumer amendment purports to exempt Americans from prison sentences for non-purchase of an ObamaPolicy -- something which was never at issue -- it doesn't prohibit them from being sent to prison for a year and fined an additional $25,000 under the Internal Revenue Code for non-payment of the initial fines.

Please oppose the Baucus bill.

Sincerely,
 
As thoroughly opposed to socialized medicine as I am, this is the dumbest peice of idiotic fear mongering I've seen in a while.

Almost entertaining.

Can't we attack Obamacare on it's merits or lack thereof rather than produce such wildly speculative conjecture and then spouting off as if it's fact?[rolleyes]

I give GOA a lot of credit for not being pansy assed appeasers like the NRA, but sometimes they just make themselves look so god damned stupid that I don't regret forgetting to send them money.
 
The ObamaCare bill already contains language that will punish Americans who engage in unhealthy behavior by allowing insurers to charge them higher insurance premiums. (What constitutes an unhealthy lifestyle is, of course, to be defined by legislators.) Don't be surprised if an anti-gun nut like Sebelius uses this line of thinking to impose ObamaCare policies which result in a back-door gun ban on any American who owns "dangerous" firearms.

So basically it's pure conjecture and speculation. There's more then enough reason to vote against this w.o. speculating on what might be.
 
This is one of the dumbest things I've read in a long time. They are somehow linking healthcare to taxes on guns with absolutely zero real link? I'm fairly certain that the Baucus bill will also force everyone to have one toe removed, sure I don't have any proof or reason why this might occur, but I'm still going to say it so that people get worried.

Further proof that there are wackjob organizations with little grasp on reality on both sides of the issue. I hope anyone who actually gives GOA any money voices their concern for such ridiculous "journalism".
 
As thoroughly opposed to socialized medicine as I am, this is the dumbest peice of idiotic fear mongering I've seen in a while.

Almost entertaining.

Can't we attack Obamacare on it's merits or lack thereof rather than produce such wildly speculative conjecture and then spouting off as if it's fact?[rolleyes]

I give GOA a lot of credit for not being pansy assed appeasers like the NRA, but sometimes they just make themselves look so god damned stupid that I don't regret forgetting to send them money.

Sadly I have to agree with you here.

Fearmongering/Bloviation/Tinfoiling/excessive hyperbole from RKBA organizations is not doing our cause any favors. One of the big selling points of pro gun arguments is that there isn't a lot of bullshit or cruft in our arguments, and pro-gunners generally pride themselves on being factual in arguments. This article is none of that. I agree that electronic medical records being accessible is dangerous, but the argument above is something not far from saying "Hey, the department of justice just bought 500 new computers..... by extension, that OBVIOUSLY means these computers are going to be used to build a national gun registry supercomputer!!!!!"

This is the kind of crap that causes GOA to get lumped in with the tinfoil/alex jones club. Once that happens, anyone who was
on the fence -definitely- won't listen to their arguments.

Ironically I can also think of 10 different ways they could have changed the language in the article to still get the same basic
point across without being as alarmist and dumb about it. EG- an article that discusses the potential dangers to gun owners
caused by electronic medical records and the like. The thing is, the government is not anywhere close to having such a system
even in place. The alarm should be sounded when the threat appears- not before, otherwise, we look like morons in the process.

-Mike
 
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