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Obama Admin Allows Communist Flag Raising Over Washington, DC for first time ever

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Cato, Sep 30, 2009.

  1. Cato

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  2. Underwhere

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    Obama's role in this is what?

    That flag should be lower. That was stupid.
     
  3. wacky_doug

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    Sorry but we're a bunch of hypocrites when it comes to China. They do most of our manufacturing. All large software companies have major development centers there. They hold a huge percentage of our national debt.

    No administration, either Republican or Democrat, has done a single thing to change this. So we should be offended that they're communist?
     
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    I thought that was Walmart's flag.
     
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    [rofl]
     
  6. Pete85

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    Get used to it...this isn't a temporary change as long as this administration is in power.
     
  7. Kid Presentable

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    wow...and they had a ceremony for it great...even as a person of chinese decent i do not agree with this
     
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    They're going to be lighting the Empire State Building red and yellow to celebrate the anniversary of Communist China too.

    Seriously. You can't make this up.
     
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    I agree Timber. My grandfather, a WWII vet, is still with us but I don't think he's truly aware anymore of what is happening to this country. Thank God.
     
  10. Bfatz

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    It really has gone beyond that of actual thought....speechless really.
     
  11. zeppelinfromled

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    The US does a lot of business with China. We're supposed to utilize them for cheap labor, but not recognize their flag? Allowing another country's flag to be raised is not a bad thing. We are not at war with China. The cold war is over. McCarthyism is over (well, maybe not on this site). Why should we allow, say, Britain's flag to fly, but not China's? Because Britain's government resembles ours? Please.
     
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    Trading with other nations is not comparable to giving thier liberty-challenged forms of government recognition. (this is, after all, in celebration of Communist China's 50th Anniversary).

    We have been buying oil from the Saudis for longer than we have been buying Wal-Mart specials from the chinese. Should we hang a banner of the Saudi King on his birthday from the Capitol Building?
     
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    @freedom2012 - love the Ayn Rand quotation.

    I guess we'll agree to disagree. I think trading is a form of recognition. Whether we like it or not, money speaks louder than a flag.
     
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    I definitely have a problem with some of the freedoms that the Chinese people do not enjoy (I have a problem with them not having the freedoms, that it). But I would rather try for some actual solutions than refuse to raise their flag at a ceremony. And, in contrast to many people here, I don't necessarily have a problem if a country wants to be communist. Communist is not synonymous with evil, no matter how much people say it is. I have a problem with people being denied basic rights, which is not mandated under communism.
     
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    We're stuck with them.

    If we don't keep buying their crap, they wont keep buying our debt (crap).
     
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    Except for the fact that it has turned out that way more often than not.

    Except for the fact that the basic tenets of communism fly directly in the face of the founding principles of this country which recognized individual liberty.

    Why are there so many goddamed communism lovers in this country? You would think that if communism and/or socialism is what you want there are more than enough places in the world for you to go to enjoy your vision of paradise on earth. You would think that people would simply open up a history book and see how massively communism has failed when it was actually tried out in the real world.

    You would think people would pay attention to actual reality - instead of believing in crap they read in a book that somebody else tells them is good (like communism).

    Communism will NEVER WORK. It flies in the face of all human experience on this planet and the reality of what people TRULY are -which is an evolved animal.

    From the wikipedia definition:

    The very idea of communism is bullshit. There always has been - is now - and always will be - differences between INDIVIDUAL human beings. Some of us are fatter than others. Some are smarter. Some are faster, or can jump higher - or work harder, or live longer, or are more beautiful, or a more tolerant, or less tolerant, or have different skin color, or hair color, or eye color, or lip color.

    The above facts are why communism so often resorts to killing everybody off in pursuit of their unattainable goal of "equality". They have to get rid of the reality that is staring them right in the face that people are INDIVIDUALS and are DIFFERENT from each other.

    Even my cats are individual for Christ sake. Each one of them has a different personality, different tastes in what they like, act differently depending on the circumstance - and have to be treated as INDIVIDUALS - or they get mad and piss on things.

    Why somebody would think otherwise of people belies a massive amount of ignorance of the truth of the world. And it also shows that the very concept of communism IS EVIL because it completely disregards the reality of what human beings REALLY are in the pursuit of some unattainable goal that can only ever be reached by doing something like killing off all the people currently on the planet so that we can repopulate with a bunch of test tube clones or some such thing.

    If God, nature - or the universe had wanted us to be communists he or she would have made us ants instead of humans and given us brains just small enough to move our bodies around the ant hill as we worked for the benefit of the hive. But then again -even the ants are real communists are they? They are a dictatorship - run by a queen for her own benefit. Again -another example of why true communism is IMPOSSIBLE.
     
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    I have gotten in a few debates with folks that swear communism "will work if *we* do it", "has not gotten its fair shot", etc. To shut them up I ask them the following: If communism is such a wonderful thing for the people, why can't a communist country trust its own citizens with arms? Simple, because those whom have lived in it see it for what it is and would use those arms to overthrow it.
     
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    I work with a couple of Chinese people - and they have said on a number of occasions that current day China in many cases is MORE free than it is here in the USA.
     
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    So under communism, I get do decided what sort of job I'll train for, for how much and under what conditions I'm willing to work, or whether I'll start my own business, who I'll hire, how much I'll pay my workers, how much I'll charge for my products or services, where I'll invest my profits ... ? I didn't think so. Yeah, I know, the US and most other countries don't do all that great on all of those points either, but at least they don't explicitly say "No", which communism does.

    Ken
     
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    Under true communism there is no "your" - it all belongs to the "proletariat".

    Here is another example of stupidity on the part of people who worship communism. Go lookup the definition of the word proletariat.

    Here is wikipedias definition:

    Karl Marx couldn't come up with a better word if he was such a freaking genius? He couldn't make up a new word? He couldn't have used a word that described the masses of people in a more positive light?

    No - of course he couldn't. Because communism is, was - and always will be a lie, which depends on lying for it's very existence. It depends on redefining the meaning of words because at it's very core it is a lie. Karl Marx took the word "proletariat" and "redefined it" - meaning in plain language: he started a lie.
     
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    According to US law, you in fact do fly them at the same height.

     
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    I've got no issue with a group of people wishing to be communist if they want to. By all means, start up communism, so long as you don't force anyone into it.
     
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    Washington, Democrats and Communists
     
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    They don't work like that. [thinking]
     
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    Believe it or not, many do. There are microcommunist societies in the area I'm in now (Northern New Mexico) that force nobody into their style of living.
     
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    The one thing more dangerous than communist governments is people in the west who persist in this foolish sympathy for them...

    Communism by definition MUST oppress individual rights in favor of the rights of the state. It robs you of property rights, privacy rights, rights of self defense, the right to the fruits of your labor, your right to free speech...

    There is no more caustic and violent form of government when it comes to destruction of individual rights...

    Moreover, it has proven itself to be an effective killing machine... 10's of millions dead in its wake in the past 100 years...

    Wake the [email protected]#$ up...
     
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    They can't work like that...

    For the same reason that Social Security and welfare cannot be "opt-in" programs...

    Without the support of the producers - the consumers would collapse in on themselves...

    You cannot survive as a parasite without a host. So, no one can be allowed out of the system or it will collapse immediately... At least with the host trapped in, it can persist until the wealth and resources of the nation are drained to the point that the parasites start starving...

    AIDS, Cancer and Socialism are the scourge of this modern era and have the body counts to prove it...
     
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    cekim, you're completely denying the possibility of someone willing to be a producer in one of these communes. They do exist. And as long as they keep to their own, who the **** are we to say they should do things differently?
     
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    This just makes me want to go to buds gun shop and buy that S&W M&P15A on credit and pay it off as fast as possible. Just so I can get one before they try to take em away.


    Crap, that sounds like that guy who is currently living at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in DC. What was his name again?

    Oh yea, Barack Hussein Obama, a man who has surrounded himself with communist advisors...
     
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    I am denying that a communist government can exist without oppression...

    I am not denying that individuals can perform in a commune (for some amount of time), though many/most break up soon after...

    I have no problem if people privately want to try to subvert reality. That's their business...

    But, we are talking about China and communist governments generally...

    I am denying that on any large scale, people will be willing to "produce" day in and day without reward beyond very small communities which are essentially extended families...

    I am also denying that it is possible to have a government which imposes a requirement that you do so without oppression... By definition, it removes your choice and ownership of the most precious commodity you have on this earth - your "labor" (whether that be physical or intellectual).
     

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