I did not realise this was up for debate in NY. Way to close to home for me.
See:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/08/opinion/08tue4.html?th&emc=th
See:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/08/opinion/08tue4.html?th&emc=th
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NYT editiorial on microstamping today
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Does this even work, even once?
Which is to say, let's pretend that all criminals only ever used automatics (never revolvers) and that they used guns that they bought from a store (so they're traceable to them), and they didn't modify the gun, and they did their crimes with the first through 10th bullet fired out of it ever.
Would law enforcement be able to read the micro stamping on the case? How 'bout if it's the 501-510th bullets?
I'm having trouble believing that it's a technology that works even in a lab, never mind in the real world where firing pins and barrels wear, get replaced, get modified, guns are stolen, etc.
Which is to say, let's pretend that all criminals only ever used automatics (never revolvers) and that they used guns that they bought from a store (so they're traceable to them), and they didn't modify the gun, and they did their crimes with the first through 10th bullet fired out of it ever.
Would law enforcement be able to read the micro stamping on the case? How 'bout if it's the 501-510th bullets?
I'm having trouble believing that it's a technology that works even in a lab, never mind in the real world where firing pins and barrels wear, get replaced, get modified, guns are stolen, etc.
One thing that really scares me is the idea of criminals breaking into a range at night and scooping up fistfulls of spent casings to spread at his next crime scene.
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I hadn't even thought of that. That's a terrifying thought.
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It's not required to work.
It's to show that "something is being done to stop gun violence."
Since it's a technological "fix," it's modern and trendy.
Therefore, it's a good idea.
QED
It's to show that "something is being done to stop gun violence."
Since it's a technological "fix," it's modern and trendy.
Therefore, it's a good idea.
QED
That is terrifying. I had not thought of that either. I wonder how this is working in California now? The author says this was implemented there already.
I also wonder how this impacts reloading. They say the firearm stamps the case so I really do not understand the details of the technology. Nor how reused brass would be impacted... or... not. If it is just the primer it would be easy enough. Legality though completely unknown. Also, what if you needed to replace the firing pin for some reason in your firearm.
What a mess this would be.
one-eyed Jack
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It's for the children. Jack.
Use revolvers, invest in a Dremel, there's a bunch of ways for this to not work.
As many times as I've read of that potential scenario in other firearms related forums, I still find it highly unlikely that any thugs will be that industrious or creative. And if it did take place... the boneheads would probably empty a mag of .25 acp at their target and throw a handful of 9mm on the ground to confuse "the man"
The whole concept is BS anyways.
There are so many other flaws and git-arounds in the system that even the asshats pushing for the legislation have to know that it's useless.
It's not about solving crimes and catching criminals... it's about adding one more obstacle for firearms manufacturers and firearm owners to contend with.
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I have to agree, other than making money there is no upside to this for anyone. No possible way this could ever work let alone stand up in court. Horrible idea and even worse that some many support it.
I think someone should tell them that California has STILL not implemented microstamping...Whoever wrote this article for the NYT is a complete idiot..
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...8.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsForth
only California has a micro-stamping law, though it hasn't been implemented yet.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...8.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsForth
only California has a micro-stamping law, though it hasn't been implemented yet.
Some criminals do catch their brass. It's not uncommon for an individual to wrap a plastic shopping bag around their gun to catch most or some of the brass. Probably not a fun way to shoot, but I guess it could be effective depending on the firearm used.
As for the stolen gun aspect, they wouldn't have to get a new stolen gun after each shooting or murder. Since most guns used in crimes are stolen anyway, microstamping will simply lead the police back to an unsolved break in at Joe Lawabider's house. The police will be no closer to catching the criminal than they were before microstamping was implemented.
Mircrostamping is not only expensive but is easily defeated (a firing pin can be replaced). The microstamp on the pin will also wear down after a while.
They don't want to pass this to fight or solve crimes. That's the spoonful of sugar for the uninformed masses.
They want to pass this to make the production and purchase of guns prohibitively expensive for the average non-criminal gun owner. Politically these bassards see it as a win-win.
Gun control is not a one-pronged attack on our rights. We are beset on all sides.
They want to pass this to make the production and purchase of guns prohibitively expensive for the average non-criminal gun owner. Politically these bassards see it as a win-win.
Gun control is not a one-pronged attack on our rights. We are beset on all sides.
Including the reality that most "crime guns" are quite old... As the Boston Police Commissioner testified, the guns actually used in crimes are so-called "community guns" and are often passed around and used in multiple crimes and they are quite old (10-15+ years).
Even if this non-sense worked, there are multiple ways around it even after the decade+ it will take for guns with the technology to reach the majority of the criminal market.
I am not sure how we get the message across that criminals don't obey laws. It seems obvious enough, but clearly 3/4 or more of our various legislators don't get it.
A working prototype is not a requirement to obtain a patent. If that were the case, there would be many, many things in the USPTOs books that were invalid...
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There is only one way left, dear cekim. It is to have all the pinheads who come up with stupid ideas like this to become victims of the criminals they are ignoring.
Oh, wait, Sarah Brady didn't get it. My bad.
It's not about guns.
It's about control.
Does Mr. Politician care if a 16yr old "gang initiate" has his murder avenged? Hell no. He probably sleeps comfortably knowing there's one less potential "banger" out there. He wants votes. That's what they care about. Politicians are in it for the career and the cash. Period.
It's about control.
Does Mr. Politician care if a 16yr old "gang initiate" has his murder avenged? Hell no. He probably sleeps comfortably knowing there's one less potential "banger" out there. He wants votes. That's what they care about. Politicians are in it for the career and the cash. Period.
