NY Senate passes 'landmark' gun control laws

[Shiver]

They support 99% of the bans out there and anti-gun legislation. They are the enforcers, without them the AWB would be meaningless if they said "We will not arrest people based on this law" it would not be viable. But they are "Just following orders" by enforcing un-constitutional laws so they are just as guilty as the treasonous men who passed the law in the first place.

This just popped up on my FB... haven't checked to see if it's real or not, but it's a nice thought if it's not. More should be doing this.

ETA: Just found this: http://www.kval.com/politics/Sheriff-to-VP-I-wont-enforce-any-new-gun-laws-187043401.html Seems it's real. Sorry if it's a dupe, haven't seen it on NES yet. I did search.

 

[alphawolf]

Thanks drgrant for the explanation.

 

[peterlocal22]

does this mean the Gov of NY's secret service will all be wearing 6 shooter?

 

[Boghog1]

Curious, What did law enforcement due that we keep on saying not to sell to them?

explained better above

 

[soloman02]

Check out this link:
http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/threads/185668-Attendance-List-State-Capitol-Demonstration-Saturday-January-19th-Noon

Also check out the link to the FB Page in my signature. We need to get organized in large numbers.

I can't seem to get anyone I know to ****ing commit to this, and they aren't FUDDs either!!!!!!! ****ing bullshit is what it is.

I feel bad for all those cops that are now going to be outgunned by criminals that are going to have 10+ round magazines.

I don't.

Two thoughts came to mind on the ride home tonight from work:

1. The most frightening part of this legislation is the requirement that mental health workers report anyone they feel may harm themselves or others, and after which the police are required to confiscate their guns. This is horrifying. It will be abused, no question.

2. This legislation, and legislation being considered in other states and at the Federal level, is going to get someone killed. While most gun owners are peaceful and just want to be left alone, I honestly think there's a fringe 1% of the proverbial III% that will take matters into their own hands. And the rest of us will pay for it.

It's about high time those traitors see that actions have consequences. As long as they are on the receiving end, I'm not gonna be sad one bit.

 

[Projectile]

Just saw him on Hannity, thank the lord there are still a few statesman left.

 

[xtry51]

the laws do not apply to them, some are more equal than others

This. They are , of course, exempt and will continue to be issued killy rifles with normal capacity mags and some with giggle switches.

Socialism is for the people, not the socialist.

 

[Projectile]

And how many people, who need legitimate treatment for a minor mental problem, are going to avoid seeing the doctor now for fear that their guns are going to be taken? I'm not a doctor, but I can only guess that a problem left untreated is going to get worse and worse.

Absolutely, **** that, no due process, nothing, just straight up taking it up the balloon knot.

 

[Gillham]

Could someone link me the bill? I'm sick of reading articles. I want the facts.

Also I'm really curious if an en bloc "clip" holding up to 8 rounds is going to be included in this ban.. Considering you can load an en bloc with 1 through 8 rounds..

ETA: Got linked. Thanks! http://open.nysenate.gov/legislation/bill/S2230-2013

 

[seth72]

Its okay for cops to throw you in jail for practicing your right to defend your life. Its okay because they're being paid to do it. So, its not their fault.

There can be no doubt in your minds that every single cop in NY who does not turn in their badge over this is a scumbag POS. If I ever see one in need or in danger, I'll suddenly realize that I am late for tee time.

 

[BrianK]

That's going to be a tough sell since there isn't necessarily a profit motive attached to it... and if it's not done in an organized way (voluntary boycott by manufacturers/dealers/etc) it's going to be difficult to prove collusion. Even then, the intent isn't to manipulate the market to enhance their profit, so saying it's some kind of antitrust violation is a stretch.

-Mike

Mike, the antitrust offense does not depend on profit motive or indeed any mental state. An agreement between two horizontal competitors with respect to a market, in this case the NY LE market, is per se illegal. The lack of an evil motive may be relevant to penalties, but it's still a per se violation. Not even arguable as to liability or not.

And the plaintiff won't be another competitor, necessarily. It could be a governmental authority.

Given the stakes, it would be economically suicidal for a firearms manufacturer to engage in this behavior.

 

[Roscoe]

Right since SCOTUS has determined that law enforcement has no duty to protect the citizen... whatever.

 

[xtry51]

Could someone link me the bill? I'm sick of reading articles. I want the facts.

Also I'm really curious if an en bloc "clip" holding up to 8 rounds is going to be included in this ban.. Considering you can load an en bloc with 1 through 8 rounds..

Yes, an enbloc is included in the ban.

Link:

http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?default_fld=&bn=A02388&term=2013&Summary=Y&Text=Y

Warning, its a huge bill.

 

[taz-2005]

Did you guys read in the NYS bill requires background checks on ammo sales and the records must be available to the state? Coming soon to a state near you.

Section 50 of the bill enhances control over sales of ammunition by
adding a new Penal Law � 400.03 requiring (1) that sellers of
ammunition register with the superintendent of the State police (2)
that prior to a sale of ammunition, a seller must run the buyer
through a State-created review of disqualifiers to ensure that the
buyer is not prohibited by law from possessing ammunition, and (3)
that ammunition sales are electronically accessible to the State. In
addition, to prevent from purchasing ammunition, the bill requires
that any ammunition sold commercially must be conducted by a seller
that can perform a background check.

 

[pastera]

Curious, What did law enforcement due that we keep on saying not to sell to them?

They are an agent of an oppressive government.

 

[FoundingFather]

"All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party."
- Mao Tse Tung

 

[Infinite Jester]

Step 1- Disarm the public
Step 2- Devalue the dollar and collapse the economy
Step 3- Make even more dependent on the .gov
Step 4- Impose even more draconian laws
Step 5- No resistance possible
Step 6- Now the real fun begins

 

[xtry51]

Step 1- Disarm the public
Step 2- Devalue the dollar and collapse the economy
Step 3- Make even more dependent on the .gov
Step 4- Impose even more draconian laws
Step 5- No resistance possible
Step 6- Now the real fun begins

Well, we're already on step 4. People aren't shooting in NY yet, so basically they've been disarmed and are just waiting for that law to tell them where to turn them in.

 

[mcb]

So let me get this straight.....It's against the law now in NY to go into a school or theater and start shooting the place up with any weapon that is loaded with over 7 rounds in a magazine or magazines ?????

Yep... they effectively banned a mass shooting from ever happening in NY!!! Praise the Lord!!!

 

[jefftk]

Yes, an enbloc is included in the ban.

Link:

http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?default_fld=&bn=A02388&term=2013&Summary=Y&Text=Y

Warning, its a huge bill.

Can you reference a specific part of the bill to back that up?

I saw some references to rifles with fixed magazines of > 5 rounds, but its not immediately clear what it says about it when I just arrive at the section through a word search.

I believe there is an exemption for guns >= 50 years old (Curios & Relics) but not modern replicas.

 

[Serapis]

They rushed this so fast, most legislators have no clue what they passed.

 

[MassMark]

Pssssst....psssssst...hey...New Yorkers.....






Perhaps it's time to rise.....

 

[Hiltonizer]

Moving to NY so I can feel safe, NH and its lack of gun laws is a shit show.

 

[SteelShooter]

Moving to NY so I can feel safe, NH and its lack of gun laws is a shit show.

Don't worry, coming soon to a theater near you, brought to you by Chicago Politics inc and BHO and the Executive Orders

 

[newportri]

From NY Daily News:

The bill moved so fast, some mistakes were made and will have to be corrected in separate legislation in the weeks ahead, lawmakers acknowledge. One problem: Police agencies were not exempted from the restrictions on bullets.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...ill-newtown-school-massacre-article-1.1240644

 

[OfficerObie59]

You really only have two options.

These are very serious options. You get out in the street and pound the pavement, rally every gun owner you know and go to every rally, sit in, protest, you name it. Or you start a militia and march armed towards a statehouse.

Seriously, those are your options. Writing letters has not worked. Hiding in the corners of society has not worked. Trying to educate the other side has not worked. Voting, has not worked. Everything we have tried has not worked.

You have two options.....

Three, if you include voting with your feet.

 

[ColdDayInHell]

They rushed this so fast, most legislators have no clue what they passed.

I agree, extremely fast. NY Forums have the same questions repeated: "What happened today? What about reloading components? What about a friend selling me ammo? "

All I can do is shake my head it the whole thing and hope when the time comes here in MA, I will have done something about it.

 

[newportri]

They rushed this so fast, most legislators have no clue what they passed.

Just like the Affordable Care Act. You would think elected officials know how to read and would read a bill before they vote on it...

 

[sixer]

Just like the Affordable Care Act. You would think elected officials know how to read and would read a bill before they vote on it...

Don't you know? You have to pass it to find out what's in it!

 

[OfficerObie59]

Reading the Bill...

Bottom of Page 9 requires all intrastate firearms purchases to go through a NICS check at a an FFL, but the FFL can only charge a max of $10.

And here's the new NY AWB definition...no CA-style workarounds here...

(A) A SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE THAT HAS AN ABILITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE
44 MAGAZINE AND HAS AT LEAST ONE OF THE FOLLOWING CHARACTERISTICS:
45 (I) A FOLDING OR TELESCOPING STOCK;
46 (II) A PISTOL GRIP THAT PROTRUDES CONSPICUOUSLY BENEATH THE ACTION OF
47 THE WEAPON;
48 (III) A THUMBHOLE STOCK;
49 (IV) A SECOND HANDGRIP OR A PROTRUDING GRIP THAT CAN BE HELD BY THE
50 NON-TRIGGER HAND;
51 (V) A BAYONET MOUNT;
52 (VI) A FLASH SUPPRESSOR, MUZZLE BREAK, MUZZLE COMPENSATOR, OR THREADED
53 BARREL DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE A FLASH SUPPRESSOR, MUZZLE BREAK, OR
54 MUZZLE COMPENSATOR;
55 (VII) A GRENADE LAUNCHER

Limits on sale of a granfathered AWB:

(H) ANY WEAPON DEFINED IN PARAGRAPH (E) OR (F) OF THIS SUBDIVISION AND
4 ANY LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE THAT WAS LEGALLY POSSESSED
5 BY AN INDIVIDUAL PRIOR TO THE ENACTMENT OF THE CHAPTER OF THE LAWS OF
6 TWO THOUSAND THIRTEEN WHICH ADDED THIS PARAGRAPH, MAY ONLY BE SOLD TO,
7 EXCHANGED WITH OR DISPOSED OF TO A PURCHASER AUTHORIZED TO POSSESS SUCH
8 WEAPONS OR TO AN INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY OUTSIDE OF THE STATE PROVIDED THAT
9 ANY SUCH TRANSFER TO AN INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY OUTSIDE OF THE STATE MUST
10 BE REPORTED TO THE ENTITY WHEREIN THE WEAPON IS REGISTERED WITHIN SEVEN-
11 TY-TWO HOURS OF SUCH TRANSFER. AN INDIVIDUAL WHO TRANSFERS ANY SUCH
12 WEAPON OR LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION DEVICE TO AN INDIVIDUAL INSIDE NEW
13 YORK STATE OR WITHOUT COMPLYING WITH THE PROVISIONS OF THIS PARAGRAPH
14 SHALL BE GUILTY OF A CLASS A MISDEMEANOR UNLESS SUCH LARGE CAPACITY
15 AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE, THE POSSESSION OF WHICH IS MADE ILLEGAL BY
16 THE CHAPTER OF THE LAWS OF TWO THOUSAND THIRTEEN WHICH ADDED THIS PARA-
17 GRAPH, IS TRANSFERRED WITHIN ONE YEAR OF THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE CHAP-
18 TER OF THE LAWS OF TWO THOUSAND THIRTEEN WHICH ADDED THIS PARAGRAPH.

I would also indeed confirm that ten round mags are grandfathered, but can only be loaded with a max of 7 rounds. New magazines must hold no more than 7 rounds.

23. "Large capacity ammunition feeding device" means a magazine, belt,
22 drum, feed strip, or similar device, [manufactured after September thir-
23 teenth, nineteen hundred ninety-four,] that (A) has a capacity of, or
24 that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than ten
25 rounds of ammunition, OR (B) CONTAINS MORE THAN SEVEN ROUNDS OF AMMUNI-
26 TION, OR (C) IS OBTAINED AFTER THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE CHAPTER OF THE
27 LAWS OF TWO THOUSAND THIRTEEN WHICH AMENDED THIS SUBDIVISION AND HAS A
28 CAPACITY OF, OR THAT CAN BE READILY RESTORED OR CONVERTED TO ACCEPT,
29 MORE THAN SEVEN ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION; provided, however, that such term
30 does not include an attached tubular device designed to accept, and
31 capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition OR A
32 FEEDING DEVICE THAT IS A CURIO OR RELIC. A FEEDING DEVICE THAT IS A
33 CURIO OR RELIC IS DEFINED AS A DEVICE THAT (I) WAS MANUFACTURED AT LEAST
34 FIFTY YEARS PRIOR TO THE CURRENT DATE, (II) IS ONLY CAPABLE OF BEING
35 USED EXCLUSIVELY IN A FIREARM, RIFLE, OR SHOTGUN THAT WAS MANUFACTURED
36 AT LEAST FIFTY YEARS PRIOR TO THE CURRENT DATE, BUT NOT INCLUDING REPLI-
37 CAS THEREOF, (III) IS POSSESSED BY AN INDIVIDUAL WHO IS NOT PROHIBITED
38 BY STATE OR FEDERAL LAW FROM POSSESSING A FIREARM AND (IV) IS REGISTERED
39 WITH THE DIVISION OF STATE POLICE PURSUANT TO SUBDIVISION SIXTEEN-A OF
40 SECTION 400.00 OF THIS CHAPTER, EXCEPT SUCH FEEDING DEVICES TRANSFERRED
41 INTO THE STATE MAY BE REGISTERED AT ANY TIME, PROVIDED THEY ARE REGIS-
42 TERED WITHIN THIRTY DAYS OF THEIR TRANSFER INTO THE STATE. NOTWITH-
43 STANDING PARAGRAPH (H) OF SUBDIVISION TWENTY-TWO OF THIS SECTION, SUCH
44 FEEDING DEVICES MAY BE TRANSFERRED PROVIDED THAT SUCH TRANSFER SHALL BE
45 SUBJECT TO THE PROVISIONS OF SECTION 400.03 OF THIS CHAPTER INCLUDING
46 THE CHECK REQUIRED TO BE CONDUCTED PURSUANT TO SUCH SECTION.

...

(8) Such person possesses a large capacity ammunition feeding device.
18 FOR PURPOSES OF THIS SUBDIVISION, A LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING
19 DEVICE SHALL NOT INCLUDE AN AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE LAWFULLY POSSESSED
20 BY SUCH PERSON BEFORE THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE CHAPTER OF THE LAWS OF
21 TWO THOUSAND THIRTEEN WHICH AMENDED THIS SUBDIVISION, THAT HAS A CAPACI-
22 TY OF, OR THAT CAN BE READILY RESTORED OR CONVERTED TO ACCEPT MORE THAN
23 SEVEN BUT LESS THAN ELEVEN ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION, OR THAT WAS MANUFAC-
24 TURED BEFORE SEPTEMBER THIRTEENTH, NINETEEN HUNDRED NINETY-FOUR, THAT
25 HAS A CAPACITY OF, OR THAT CAN BE READILY RESTORED OR CONVERTED TO
26 ACCEPT, MORE THAN TEN ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION; OR

Oh, how nice. If your high cap mag is in your home, you get only 3 months instead of 6 months of jail time:

IF SUCH DEVICE CONTAINING MORE THAN SEVEN ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION IS
49 POSSESSED WITHIN THE HOME OF THE POSSESSOR, THE PERSON SO POSSESSING THE
50 DEVICE SHALL, FOR A FIRST OFFENSE, BE GUILTY OF A VIOLATION AND SUBJECT
51 TO A FINE OF TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS, AND FOR A SECOND OFFENSE, BE GUILTY OF
52 A CLASS B MISDEMEANOR AND SUBJECT TO A FINE OF TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS AND A
53 TERM OF UP TO THREE MONTHS IMPRISONMENT.
54 IF SUCH DEVICE CONTAINING MORE THAN SEVEN ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION IS
55 POSSESSED IN ANY LOCATION OTHER THAN THE HOME OF THE POSSESSOR, THE
56 PERSON SO POSSESSING THE DEVICE SHALL, FOR A FIRST OFFENSE, BE GUILTY OF
1 A CLASS B MISDEMEANOR AND SUBJECT TO A FINE OF TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS AND A
2 TERM OF UP TO SIX MONTHS IMPRISONMENT, AND FOR A SECOND OFFENSE, BE
3 GUILTY OF A CLASS A MISDEMEANOR.

On top of that, see page 30 for the half assed response to removing CCW permits from public records law. You have to specify your reason and fall into a special categoty.