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NSSF filed vs AGO!

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by CAR, Sep 22, 2016.

  1. rwl1955

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    Herr Healey is a liberal politician who toes the party line. Remember, this was a gift to the Hillary campaign and Maura expected to be working in DC for the Hillary admin. HAAA, sucks to be you Maura, MAGA! I guess she's not a member of the Pink Pistols.
     

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    Yes, but many of them were pissed that she stepped on their authority, and then snubbed her nose at them by ignoring their inquiry. The fact that she ignored them should be included in the article.
     
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  3. rwl1955

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    Correct but they know she's popular and powerful. They don't have the balls to confront her and go public with their criticisms. They know it was a publicity stunt and they were used but they also must toe the party line.
     
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    The headline that I would want buried with me would be "Disgraced Former MA. AG . "
     
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    She may not be disgraced yet, but she certainly has been disgraceful. I hope the AG gets slapped down hard
     
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    Missing a " & disbarred" in that sentence.
     
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    Does anyone know if Healey filed the motion for a stay today?

     
  8. rwl1955

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    Even if she/the Commonwealth loses the case she will be hailed as a hero for standing up to(take your pick) The evil gun lobby, evil gun manufacturers, the NRA, the gun culture, toxic masculinity, white conservative males.etc. It's a win/win situation for her and her acolytes. Just look at Liawatha, do you think you'll see any angry white woman tearing her bumper stickers of their Prius's just because Lizzie spoke with forked tonque?
     
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  9. Coyote33

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    Which side are you talking about here (the "getting slapped around")? Too many different cases going on at the same time.


    Never got that answer (that I recall).


    Which is appropriate and accurate. Would you not agree?


    Good point! Maybe you should reach out to some of them to write the paper a follow-up article!!!!


    Her power and popularity are waning. (see above).
     
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    Should it be inferred that Healey did not file the Motion for a Stay last Thursday (2/7/19) as her office suggested it would?
     
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    I'm pretty sure she'll lose, based on my understanding of the law. The federal courts have an obligation to adjudicate constitutional violations, and they have no right to make a plaintiff wait for the results of a different case being adjudicated at the state level, even if it's based on the same provisions of the constitution.
     
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    Thanks, I also found some interesting things in the Motion. One of them is that it states that her interpretation and enforcement is based on or "aimed squarely at protecting the safety of Massachusetts residents and law enforcement officers" and this cannot be denied (gainsay). It's always been my layman's position that 2nd Amendment restrictive laws have nothing to do with public safety.

    This position appears to be considered this way in the Yale Law Journal wrt to the 7th Amendment that either you or Knuckle Dragger posted. To wit (bold font mine):

    https://scholarship.law.duke.edu/cg...ir=1&article=5763&context=faculty_scholarship
     
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    Are you a judge in the MA court system?
     
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    If I were, I would have ruled already in favor of NSSF! [laugh]
     
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    Oh, you're "just saying". The way you said it, I thought it had some meaning. (no offense)
     
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    Thanks I enjoy reading reasoned discussion, professional or not.

    Edit: sincerely

    :emoji_tiger:
     
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    I guess you missed the start of my second sentence, "It's always been my layman's position..."! [laugh]
     
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    Half messing with ya, half not sure if you realize how fruitless anything we do is.
     
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    Pullman's opposition to defendant's motion to stay was filed today.

    Read this stuff. It is utterly incomprehensible at first, but the more you do it, the more it will make sense.
     
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    Thanks for posting.

    The "Summary of Argument" section is strong pointed language that makes it clear that the AG's effort to delay by linking this to a State Court case is out of bounds of the constitutional questions of this federal suit.

    It is time to proceed, put up or shut up Maura.

    Thanks again @Knuckle Dragger

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    Thanks! It looks like Healey's strategy here is to grind down businesses until they go under and then she wins by default. I can only imagine what must be going through someone's mind when they decide to open up a business and along comes some arbitrary bureaucrat (such as Healey) telling the business owner they must comply with some regulation that is entirely arbitrary and yet carried a long prison sentence. I can imagine a sense of exasperation on the part of the business owner whose livelihood and potentially freedom are on the line with vague rules that make no sense. I hope these guys prevail!
     
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    I know that it's easy for me to say, but businesses should just ignore her guidance and start selling products again. After all, her "guidance" is just her interpretation of a law that was passed in 1994. MA adopted the ban verbatim in 1998, and no company in the country was ever prosecuted for legally selling "Massified" rifles during the 10 years of the ban when it ended in 2004 or from 1994 through 7/20/16, so Massified rifles were legal for 22 years. On top of that, she makes an arbitrary decision that any rifles owned prior to 7/20/16 are legal, although she has stated that this could change whenever she feels like it at a later date.

    Then she compounds her foolishness by stating in her Motion to Stay that she did this for the public safety (to protect police officers and civilians). Guess what Maura, the 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with public safety. As we all know, this is just pure BS by an evil person that is defecating on the US Constitution!
     
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    @Glockster30 : By "Massified", do you mean "compliant with the law"? In other words, the rifles were made without the items specified that they need to be made without in order to be compliant? I still don't understand how making a widget that meets "all requirements for selling widgets" is somehow not compliant with "all requirements for selling widgets". In other words, specs were laid out, and those specs were met.
     
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    Correct, for lack of a better word, or a long, drawn-out description such as yours, I decided to use Massified to make it easier for everyone to understand. [laugh]
     
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    I’ve been saying this all along. It sucks if you feed your family with an FFL License, But it seems obvious that nothing is going to happen with this bullshit and nobody is getting prosecuted. And the MA Legislature has a long memory. She may be still powerful now, but she is on an island politically and the Shore is eroding more and more everyday.
     
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  28. rwl1955

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    Not soon enough for us. This is the result of a corrupt one party State.
     
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    What is next on the schedule for this? Is there another date set, or is it just waiting for something with no set date?
     
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