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A friend of mine just e-mailed me this link: http://www.redstate.com/erick/2010/07/01/nra-now-leans-toward-endorsing-harry-reid/

Why would they do this? Why would they go out of their way to protect a Senator who has demonstrated a repeated hostility to the Second Amendment in his votes and his leadership?

Well, I thought perhaps the NRA carveout in the DISCLOSE Act might be the answer. But, there is more. It turns out, Reid secured a $61 million earmark for a gun range in Clark County, Nevada.

I have no idea if this is true or not, but if it is it means the NRA has officially been bought by a politician that voted for the brady bill and assault weapons ban.
 
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Reid has pretty solidly held up any anti-gun legislation under the Obama administration and this democratically-controlled congress. He's rated "A" by the NRA, and they do a pretty good job of justifying it. If he loses, the next Majority Leader will not be "A" rated.

It's being made into hay by sites like RedState which think it's the National Republicans Association.
EDIT: It's been pointed out to me that RedState in particular has been running tons of anti-NRA stories lately, always leaving out a ton of facts.

EDIT2: This is about using any opening to win a Republican seat in Reid's district. This is not about gun owners.
 
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I don't frequent redstate so I'm not aware of the anti NRA stories they've been running.

That aside, politicians like Harry Reid are only friendly to gun owners during an election year. He is not "pro gun" at the times when he can safely vote anti gun. If he voted for the clinton assault weapons ban, then sorry, he is not pro gun.
 
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I don't frequent redstate so I'm not aware of the anti NRA stories they've been running.

That aside, politicians like Harry Reid are only friendly to gun owners during an election year. He is not "pro gun" at the times when he can safely vote anti gun. If he voted for the clinton assault weapons ban, then sorry, he is not pro gun.

He's been pro-gun for a while now. I don't know if it's just because of fear of his constituents, but if so, isn't that the point of representative democracy?
 

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"Other than that he's a raging moonbat."

He he, might have to use that line from time to time.
 

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He's been pro-gun for a while now. I don't know if it's just because of fear of his constituents, but if so, isn't that the point of representative democracy?

True, I'll give him points if he's been listening to his constituents. I still don't think his record warrants an A or an endorsement by the NRA.
 

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Incoming fire on me, but I figured why not start my posting with a bang. :)

I am a bit tired of the idea that Democrat and Gun owner / 2nd amendment believer / constitution supporter are antonyms. All members of congress swear to uphold the constitution, and all should. I am a democrat, though the party is traveling farther and farther from my ideals, though I will certainly say that the republican party isn't getting any closer to them, far from it. That aspect of my beliefs has nothing to do with my support for gun ownership, our right to carry, and the 2nd amendment.

To often on this board I see posts where gun owners are placed on one side and moonbat liberals are on the other. I guess if nothing else I am just trying to say that these dividing lines are false in my case, and seem to be in Reid's case as well.

Maybe forwarding the 2nd amendments clear intent would go better if, instead of continuing the false belief that this is an issue dividing the parties, instead treating it as an issue that all parties should be united under. I know that the democrats have traditionally been pro gun control and anti 2nd amendment freedom. Well hopefully me and some of my fellow moonbat but pro 2-A friends are signaling a change there. We can always hope.
 
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Incoming fire on me, but I figured why not start my posting with a bang. :)

I am a bit tired of the idea that Democrat and Gun owner / 2nd amendment believer / constitution supporter are antonyms. All members of congress swear to uphold the constitution, and all should. I am a democrat, though the party is traveling farther and farther from my ideals, though I will certainly say that the republican party isn't getting any closer to them, far from it. That aspect of my beliefs has nothing to do with my support for gun ownership, our right to carry, and the 2nd amendment.

To often on this board I see posts where gun owners are placed on one side and moonbat liberals are on the other. I guess if nothing else I am just trying to say that these dividing lines are false in my case, and seem to be in Reid's case as well.

Maybe forwarding the 2nd amendments clear intent would go better if, instead of continuing the false belief that this is an issue dividing the parties, instead treating it as an issue that all parties should be united under. I know that the democrats have traditionally been pro gun control and anti 2nd amendment freedom. Well hopefully me and some of my fellow moonbat but pro 2-A friends are signaling a change there. We can always hope.

I largely agree with you. There are pro gun and anti gun politicians all across the political spectrum. My problems with Harry Reid have nothing to do with the D next to his name.
 

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Incoming fire on me, but I figured why not start my posting with a bang. :)

I am a bit tired of the idea that Democrat and Gun owner / 2nd amendment believer / constitution supporter are antonyms. All members of congress swear to uphold the constitution, and all should. I am a democrat, though the party is traveling farther and farther from my ideals, though I will certainly say that the republican party isn't getting any closer to them, far from it. That aspect of my beliefs has nothing to do with my support for gun ownership, our right to carry, and the 2nd amendment.

To often on this board I see posts where gun owners are placed on one side and moonbat liberals are on the other. I guess if nothing else I am just trying to say that these dividing lines are false in my case, and seem to be in Reid's case as well.

Maybe forwarding the 2nd amendments clear intent would go better if, instead of continuing the false belief that this is an issue dividing the parties, instead treating it as an issue that all parties should be united under. I know that the democrats have traditionally been pro gun control and anti 2nd amendment freedom. Well hopefully me and some of my fellow moonbat but pro 2-A friends are signaling a change there. We can always hope.

You're not alone. I'm an independent and I definitely don't automatically think that dem=bad, repub=good.
 

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Can you get elected from either party and be anti-gun in Nevada?? I have a friend there...Its a pretty Libertarian state..No State Income Tax, No Business Income Tax, No Capital Gains Tax....No permit required to buy/carry a gun (openly)...Gambling/Prostitution (although highly regulated)
 

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I don't frequent redstate so I'm not aware of the anti NRA stories they've been running.

That aside, politicians like Harry Reid are only friendly to gun owners during an election year. He is not "pro gun" at the times when he can safely vote anti gun. If he voted for the clinton assault weapons ban, then sorry, he is not pro gun.

I don't know for sure if this is the bill, but he voted no:

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...ote_cfm.cfm?congress=103&session=1&vote=00375
 

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This is a really good example of why, at some point, you have to think about being a single issue vs. a political philosophy voter. And it underscore the dangers of thinking democrat or liberal = anti gun and conservative or republican - pro-gun. Don't make me list all the republicans that have screwed us.

More importantly think about what happens if Reid loses his seat. He's not just a Senator. As majority leader Reid is in a possession to do a lot more for us than just cast a vote. He can block or enable legislation. He may also be pivotal one of the Heller/McDonald 5 needs to be replaced in the near future.

If he loses his seat, his successor does not end up as senate majority leader. The role may very likely be filled by Chuck Schumer or Diane Feintstein. Do you really want them in a position to block the pro-gun kind of legislation that Reid has allowed to go forward? Do you want to lose that check on judicial appointments?
 
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Harry's greatest hits:

June 28, 1991. Vote No. 115. Voted for a 5 day waiting period for handgun purchases.

October 21, 1993. Vote 325. Voted to eliminate the Army Civilian Marksmanship Program. Only the most fringe anti-gun Senators voted for the amendment.

November 19, 1993. Vote 385. Allow states to impose waiting periods over and above the 5 days waiting period required under the Brady Bill.

November 19, 1993. Vote 386. Voted to eliminate he 5-year sunset in the Brady Bill.

November 19, 1993. Vote 387. Voted to close off debate on the Brady Bill.

November 19, 1993. Vote 390. Voted to close off debate on the Brady Bill.

November 20, 1993. Vote 394. Voted for the Brady Bill, which imposed a 5-business-day waiting period before purchasing a handgun.

August 25, 1994. Vote 294. Voted to close off debate on the Clinton Crime Bill, which contained the ban on so-called “assault weapons.”

August 25, 1994. Vote 295. Voted for the Clinton Crime Bill, which contained the ban on so-called “assault weapons.”

April 17, 1996. Vote 64. Voted to expand the statute of limitations for paperwork violations in National Firearms Act from 3 years to 5 years.

June 27, 1996. Vote 178. Voting to destroy 176,000 M-1 Garand rifles from World War II, and 150 million rounds of 30 caliber ammunition, rather than giving them to the Federal Civilian Marksmanship program.

September 12, 1996. Vote 287. Voted to spend $21.5 million for a study on putting “taggants” in black and smokeless gunpowder.

September 12, 1996. Vote 290. Voted to make it a Federal crime to possess a gun within 1,000 yards of a school.

May 12, 1999. Vote 111. Voted to give the Treasury Department expansive new authority to regulate and keep records on gun shows and their participants, and criminalize many intrastate firearms transactions.

May 13, 1999. Vote 116. Voted to ban the importation of ammunition clips that can hold more than 10 rounds.

May 14, 1999. Vote 119. Voted to criminalize internet advertisements to sell legal firearms in a legal manner.

May 18, 1999. Vote 122. Voted to for Mandatory triggerlocks.

May 20, 1999. Vote 133. Voted to create new Federal regulation of pawn shops handling of guns.

May 20, 1999. Vote 134. Voted to give the Treasury Department expansive new authority to regulate and keep records on gun shows and their participants, and criminalize many intrastate firearms transactions. The vote was 50-50, with Vice President Gore casting the tie-breaking vote.

May 20, 1999. Vote 140. Voted for the Clinton Juvenile Justice bill, which contained a package of gun control measures.

July 29, 1999. Vote 224. Voted to close debate on the Clinton Juvenile Justice bill, which contained a package of gun control measures.

February 2, 2000. Vote 4. Voted to make firearms manufacturers and distributors’ debts nondischargeable in bankruptcy if they were sued because they unknowingly sold guns to individuals who used the gun in a crime. 68 Senators voted against Reid’s position, including 17 Democrats including Bryan of Nevada.

March 2, 2000. Vote 27. Voted to say that school violence was due to the fact that Congress “failed to pass reasonable, common-sense gun control measures” and call for new gun ownership restrictions on the anniversary of the Columbine shootings.

March 2, 2000. Vote 28. Voted to say that school violence was due to the fact that Congress “failed to pass reasonable, common-sense gun control measures” and call for new gun ownership restrictions on the anniversary of the Columbine shootings (reconsideration of vote 27).

March 2, 2000. Vote 32. Voted to use Federal taxpayer funds to hand out anti-gun literature in schools and to run anti-gun public service announcements.

April 6, 2000. Vote 64. Voted for a gun control package including new onerous restrictions on gun shows.

April 7, 2000. Vote 74. Voted against an amendment to provide for the enforcement of existing gun laws in lieu of new burdensome gun control mandates.

May 16, 2000. Vote 100. Voted to commend the participants of the so-called “Million Mom March” for their demand for more Federal restrictions on firearms ownership, and to urge the passage of strict gun control measures.

May 17, 2000. Vote 102. Vote to overturn the ruling of the chair that the Daschle amendment (commending the participants of the so-called “Million Mom March” for their demand for more Federal restrictions on firearms ownership, and to urge the passage of strict gun control measures) was out of order.

May 17, 2000. Vote 103. Voted against an amendment stating “the right of each law-abiding United States citizen to own a firearm for any legitimate purpose, including self-defense or recreation, should not be infringed.”

May 17, 2000. Vote 104. Voted for an amendment commending the participants of the so-called “Million Mom March” for their demand for more Federal restrictions on firearms ownership, and to urge the passage of strict gun control measures.

February 26, 2004. Vote 17. Voted for mandatory triggerlocks.

March 2, 2004. Vote 25. Voted for Federal regulation of gun shows.

July 28, 2005. Vote 207. Voted for mandatory triggerlocks.

March 5, 2009. Vote 83. Voted against a ban on the United Nations imposing taxes on American citizens after France and other world leaders proposed a global tax on firearms.

http://www.zimbio.com/Harry+Reid/articles/C_6CIeBpYZh/NRA+Endorse+Anti+Gun+Harry+Reid+Nevada

Want to talk about his record on Supreme Court nominees?
 
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Harry's greatest hits:

Want to talk about his record on Supreme Court nominees?

Oh no Mr. Gringo! How could this be possible? Someone actually did some research??? But, but, but Harry is pro-2A - he even opened a gun range and the NRA really likes him bunches and bunches... Say it's isn't so Grin-go!

The fact remains that the NRA shills for those who mutually shill. Not much has changed. This is the same NRA that sports Tim Leatherman as a good guy and continues to do business with China, so they can push cheap crap on their members...Gym bag anyone?

To ERC: No one is claiming that the Republicans are the de facto party of the 2nd Amendment. However, one could easily argue that by in large, the Democrats are light years away from being even remotely a pro-2A Constitutional party. Their track record of picking and sometimes sledging away at our 2nd Amendment rights makes me scratch my head as to how anyone can even identify themselves as both a gun owner and a Democrat with a straight face...Perhaps in another thread we can pick apart your politics - I think you could possibly be surprised at how far away from a Democrat you may be...but what do I know?

While there are certainly some on here who trumpet the Republican party as the savior of the Second Amendment, there are some of us who are not so easily fooled. I submit just a couple examples for your review, or Republicans who in my book are guilty of aiding and abetting the bastardization of the Constitution:

_george_hw_bush.jpg
romney_mitt.jpg


Oh and one more....

lapierre.gif
 
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Incoming fire on me, but I figured why not start my posting with a bang. :)

I am a bit tired of the idea that Democrat and Gun owner / 2nd amendment believer / constitution supporter are antonyms. All members of congress swear to uphold the constitution, and all should. I am a democrat, though the party is traveling farther and farther from my ideals, though I will certainly say that the republican party isn't getting any closer to them, far from it. That aspect of my beliefs has nothing to do with my support for gun ownership, our right to carry, and the 2nd amendment.

To often on this board I see posts where gun owners are placed on one side and moonbat liberals are on the other. I guess if nothing else I am just trying to say that these dividing lines are false in my case, and seem to be in Reid's case as well.

Maybe forwarding the 2nd amendments clear intent would go better if, instead of continuing the false belief that this is an issue dividing the parties, instead treating it as an issue that all parties should be united under. I know that the democrats have traditionally been pro gun control and anti 2nd amendment freedom. Well hopefully me and some of my fellow moonbat but pro 2-A friends are signaling a change there. We can always hope.

Greetings fellow moonbat. I feel exactly the same way. I think that due to the polarization of politics in the country, its very easy to be labeled one way or the other. I think there is a growing movement of independents that can have both liberal views on certain things and conservative views on others. I think the term is 'centrist'. I don't like extremists in either direction. Are their liberal moonbats? Hell yeah there are...Gloria Alred and Al Sharpton qualify. Are there conservative moonbats? Hell yeah....Pat Robertson and Rush Limbaugh get my vote there.

My point is that if you generalize on either side, you really don't help your argument at all. You just add to the division and don't get any closer to your goal.

Just my $0.02 worth.
 
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Are there conservative moonbats? Hell yeah....Pat Robertson and Rush Limbaugh get my vote there.

Um ... those are called "wingnuts", in the common parlance.

I think NES would benefit from a "Progressive Gun Owners" forum. That would leave the rest of the site with 99 and 44/100 less crap.
 

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Maybe forwarding the 2nd amendments clear intent would go better if, instead of continuing the false belief that this is an issue dividing the parties, instead treating it as an issue that all parties should be united under. I know that the democrats have traditionally been pro gun control and anti 2nd amendment freedom. Well hopefully me and some of my fellow moonbat but pro 2-A friends are signaling a change there. We can always hope.

It will never work,the Democrat/Liberal vision of America is far different than the founding fathers intended.

Anybody that knowingly votes Socialist is an enemy to what America was founded upon.Unlike a lot of people here,I don't assume just because someone owns guns ,that makes them "cool" and we have something in common.I like tacos,it doesn't mean that every taco eater is cool.

The people who put Obama,Frank,Pelosi etc. in office are the enemy of a free America,it does not matter what possesions they may have.
 
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It will never work,the Democrat/Liberal vision of America is far different than the founding fathers intended.

Anybody that knowingly votes Socialist is an enemy to what America was founded upon.Unlike a lot of people here,I don't assume just because someone owns guns ,that makes them "cool" and we have something in common.I like tacos,it doesn't mean that every taco eater is cool.

The people who put Obama,Frank,Pelosi etc. in office are the enemy of a free America,it does not matter what possesions they may have.

^^^THIS^^^
 
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Oh no Mr. Gringo! How could this be possible? Someone actually did some research??? But, but, but Harry is pro-2A - he even opened a gun range and the NRA really likes him bunches and bunches... Say it's isn't so Grin-go!

The fact remains that the NRA shills for those who mutually shill. Not much has changed. This is the same NRA that sports Tim Leatherman as a good guy and continues to do business with China, so they can push cheap crap on their members...Gym bag anyone?

To ERC: No one is claiming that the Republicans are the de facto party of the 2nd Amendment. However, one could easily argue that by in large, the Democrats are light years away from being even remotely a pro-2A Constitutional party. Their track record of picking and sometimes sledging away at our 2nd Amendment rights makes me scratch my head as to how anyone can even identify themselves as both a gun owner and a Democrat with a straight face...Perhaps in another thread we can pick apart your politics - I think you could possibly be surprised at how far away from a Democrat you may be...but what do I know?

While there are certainly some on here who trumpet the Republican party as the savior of the Second Amendment, there are some of us who are not so easily fooled. I submit just a couple examples for your review, or Republicans who in my book are guilty of aiding and abetting the bastardization of the Constitution:

_george_hw_bush.jpg
romney_mitt.jpg


Oh and one more....

lapierre.gif

What about him:

ronald-reagan-picture1.jpg


He did sign FOPA which is a mixed bag of protections and restrictions.
 
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I believe there's a Republican in the race. I could be mistaken. But, you're probably a ... pragmatist. I'll bet you don't even have a machete.

I don't. But I do have a combat tomahawk. My wife gave it to me for Christmas one year.

No Republican will be running the Senate anytime soon. While the size of the next majority is in question, the Senate will still be controlled by the Democrats.
 
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I love the fact that this turd harry reids son won't even put his last name in any of his campaign ads....Just remember folks..."vote for Rory" haha....un frickin' believable....
 
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Um ... those are called "wingnuts", in the common parlance.

I think NES would benefit from a "Progressive Gun Owners" forum. That would leave the rest of the site with 99 and 44/100 less crap.

...and thank you for proving my point so eloquently.
 
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