NRA’s Cleans House/downward spiral megathread, Update post 567 NRA Staffer Used $40K in NRA Money to Pay for Family Wedding

The fact he's not thrown out and the NRA didn't sue him directly to claw back all that money is all you need to know about their priorities. The NRA is useless. Let them fail and someone better will fill the void. Mayne someone with a leader actually interested in repealing gun laws.
 
Be careful what you wish for. She's made it clear that her target is no LaPierre, it's the NRA as an organization. She wants the NRA dissolved and it's assets forfeited to the NYS AG. She'll use it as an anti 2A slush fund and give it to other Commie front groups.

I have zero problem with the NRA dissolving.

Obviously I don't want that hag getting a penny. I'd like her head on a pike for the insane laws she defends every day in NY.
 
Finally - Something worthwhile from the NRA:

Good Guy with a Gun

or YouTube if you don't like tweety birds
NRA- Good Guy with a Gun
That had many great points ruined by absolutely amateurish choir-preaching. The flamethrower at the end was cringe-worthy.

I started out wanting to share it. Then I thought maybe I could just share it to my pro-gun friends. And by the end, I wished I hadn't even watched it.

That was the NRA's fault, not the the fault of the two true heroes features in the video.
 

The National Rifle Association agreed to a five-year suspension of its insurance business in New York state and will pay a $2.5m civil fine to settle charges it offered insurance to members without a license and concealed how it routinely kept some premiums for itself.

New York’s department of financial services announced the settlement on Wednesday, a little over three months after the state attorney general, Letitia James, sued to dissolve the NRA, the leading US gun rights group, accusing it of widespread corruption.

The settlement resolved charges over the NRA’s two-decade relationship with insurance broker Lockton Cos, including the sale of 28,015 policies to New Yorkers and the NRA’s receipt of more than $1.8m in associated royalties and fees.

Linda Lacewell, the state insurance superintendent, said Lockton’s NRA-branded “Carry Guard” program illegally offered policyholders coverage for criminal defense costs and the “intentional” use of firearms in shooting incidents.


She also accused the NRA of misleading gun collectors, dealers, instructors, clubs and shows by promising coverage at the “lowest possible cost” when the group typically kept between 13.7% and 21.9% of premiums paid.

The NRA has said it did not underwrite its insurance programs, and that like “countless” affinity groups it relied on industry experts to market products to members. It did not admit wrongdoing in agreeing to settle.

William Brewer, a lawyer for the NRA, said in a statement: “The DFS inquiry, which began with a roar, ends with a whimper.” He said the settlement had no effect on other litigation pending between New York state and the NRA.

The NRA has long battled with New York state officials, including in a May 2018 lawsuit where it accused the governor, Andrew Cuomo, of attempted “blacklisting” for pressuring banks and insurers to send business elsewhere.

“It would be highly unusual for a state to allow an insurance company to reimburse for an illegal activity,” Cuomo told CNN in August 2018. “They call it ‘murder insurance.’”
The financial services department fined Lockton $7m in May 2018 over its involvement with Carry Guard.
 
That was a cash bribe to drop the lawsuit - probably cheaper than the lawyers...

We will need GOA, 2ndA Foundation and even NRA more than ever these next 4 years.

but don't forget NRA still has the attorney generals lawsuit to disolve it and i hear brewer the lawyer is charging $4000 per hour and at the rate it adds up to millons of $$ per month..... not a penny, because its not going for second amendment defense, its going to lawyers and exhorbitant sallaries for lapierre and his pals
 
but don't forget NRA still has the attorney generals lawsuit to disolve it and i hear brewer the lawyer is charging $4000 per hour and at the rate it adds up to millons of $$ per month..... not a penny, because its not going for second amendment defense, its going to lawyers and exhorbitant sallaries for lapierre and his pals
I agree. All for lawyers and salaries.

Oh...except for the $24,279,411 spent in the 2020 Election Cycle. There is that.

Total Independent Expenditures: $24,270,696
For Democrats: $868
Against Democrats: $16,204,881
For Republicans: $8,073,662
Against Republicans: $0
Total Electioneering Communications: $0
Communication Costs: $8,715

We picked up a lot of seats this cycle. Keep that in mind, too.

I wonder which Democrat got the $868
 
1 reason I let my NRA membership lapse was Wayne LaPierre

Many feel this way. I maintain it because it's required for my club. I hope they can get their act together.

As far as this NY case, it's not connected to his leadership. NY claimed they were illegibly doing business in the state. They have gone after the NRA yet ignored other obvious frauds such as Sharpton's Action Network.

One good sign is the NRA cut expenses way back. Maybe this is a road back to becoming a efficient organization once again. the fact is all of the other organizations don't have a fraction of the NRA's influence in the political world.

Oh...except for the $24,279,411 spent in the 2020 Election Cycle. There is that.

Nowhere near what the teacher's unions spent.. Total contributions: $41,792,961

our tax dollars at work.
 
Governor Cuomo made it quite clear that the legal fees are part of the punishment for armed self defense, and made it clear he would not tolerate this kind of insurance (or non-insurance as the vendors like to call it) .... even though the NRA plan only paid after an absolute, no plea bargain, victory (in other words, rarely if ever).
 
Until La pee-pee's out, NOT ANOTHER PENNY ! [angry2]
but don't forget NRA still has the attorney generals lawsuit to disolve it and i hear brewer the lawyer is charging $4000 per hour and at the rate it adds up to millons of $$ per month..... not a penny, because its not going for second amendment defense, its going to lawyers and exhorbitant sallaries for lapierre and his pals

Typical NES skinflints. Great Scott do you have any idea? Idiots.

Try to picture our nation without the NRA. What do you think our 2A rights look like?


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Typical NES skinflints. Great Scott do you have any idea? Idiots.

Try to picture our nation without the NRA. What do you think our 2A rights look like?


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Enjoy paying for Wayne's suits & safaris. Gun rights are being handled very well on the state & local level. Except, of course Massatwoshits, Kaliforna & the usual festering sheetholes of socialism . But then, you're probably used to living under tyrrany.
 
Enjoy paying for Wayne's suits & safaris. Gun rights are being handled very well on the state & local level. Except, of course Massatwoshits, Kaliforna & the usual festering sheetholes of socialism . But then, you're probably used to living under tyrrany.

Funny, don't remember seeing you at the State house when the NRA rep accompanied Jim Wallace to testify at hearings. Or your NH counterpart. You think we don't need their help?

Typical skinflint to focus on suits among a budget of 100s of millions spent on legislation and lobbying as well as election support.
News flash: Primetime CEOs get many perks, both ones you love and ones you don't. 200k suits or whatever doesn't matter what does matter is showing up for the fight. Only an idiot cuts off their nose to spite their face.
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The reality is that being on a first name basis with POTUS is worth big $$ in the market. I'm just a fairly competent software hack, but if I added one - the ability to call POTUS to talk about policies - to my resume, that alone would make me senior executive material with a compensation to match.
 
As in the Obama days, when Biden assembles his round table to "discuss Common Sense Gun Control", no member of any Gun Rights advocacy group will be invited, nor any Conservative, GOP or Patriot. Attendees will be sworn to secrecy at risk of losing their seat, with the charge of drumming up more CEOs, Mayors and $$$ Donors to keep their seat.

If you spend all your gun money on guns and ammo, and don’t donate to GOA, 2ndA Foundation, Comm2A or NRA, you’re not thinking of “The Children" - our next generation who will be deprived of their RKBA.
 
Typical NES skinflints. Great Scott do you have any idea? Idiots.

Try to picture our nation without the NRA. What do you think our 2A rights look like?


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Open carry in Florida, constitutional carry across the land, no NICS, no off limits places for carry, no more Pittman Roberson 11% gun and ammunition tax, GOA assuming its rightful place as the leader of the pro gun activists
 
Typical NES skinflints. Great Scott do you have any idea? Idiots.

Try to picture our nation without the NRA. What do you think our 2A rights look like?


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True the NRA has kept our 2a rights more intact than if they didn't exist. However, that doesn't mean we can't demand a better run NRA. It needs new leadership. It does.
 
True the NRA has kept our 2a rights more intact than if they didn't exist. However, that doesn't mean we can't demand a better run NRA. It needs new leadership. It does.
Agreed. Their governance structure is terrible. The board is so big, its attention so diffused, that Wayne could get away with all the abuses. That he's still in place is inexcusable.
 
Open carry in Florida, constitutional carry across the land, no NICS, no off limits places for carry, no more Pittman Roberson 11% gun and ammunition tax, GOA assuming its rightful place as the leader of the pro gun activists

That is such fantasy from a non-green member. And if the GOA was the "rightful" leader then they would be as feared as the NRA.

What really gets my goat is that we are fighting among ourselves. You think the antis aren't celebrating this whole thing? You think we will be better off with no NRA? That we should starve it to death? There is no better metaphor for you skinflints than cutting off your nose to spite your face.

SAF, GOA, NRA are all different and all necessary. Just like GOAL and Comm2A. Use your head. Don't shite where you sleep.
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The mask starts out sterile,
That is such fantasy from a non-green member. And if the GOA was the "rightful" leader then they would be as feared as the NRA.

What really gets my goat is that we are fighting among ourselves. You think the antis aren't celebrating this whole thing? You think we will be better off with no NRA? That we should starve it to death? There is no better metaphor for you skinflints than cutting off your nose to spite your face.

SAF, GOA, NRA are all different and all necessary. Just like GOAL and Comm2A. Use your head. Don't shite where you sleep.
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I don't think the NRA is really feared. They've been supporting gun control for decades. I think they used fear to separate us from our money while supporting and helping to pass gun control. Are there good people in the NRA, Yes but at the top Wayne and others have been selling us and our rights out for decades. Keep and Bear Arms - Gun Owners Home Page - 2nd Amendment Supporters
 
That is such fantasy from a non-green member. And if the GOA was the "rightful" leader then they would be as feared as the NRA.

What really gets my goat is that we are fighting among ourselves. You think the antis aren't celebrating this whole thing? You think we will be better off with no NRA? That we should starve it to death? There is no better metaphor for you skinflints than cutting off your nose to spite your face.

SAF, GOA, NRA are all different and all necessary. Just like GOAL and Comm2A. Use your head. Don't shite where you sleep.
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NRA is corrupt and has been for some time. If you like paying for Waynes obscene salary, excessive ardrobe and lavish lifestyle like private jet travel and stays in luxury hotels, you go right ahead and continue to donate. My wallet is closed. GOA, SAF, GOAL, Comm2A all seem to do worthwhile work and as you said, they are different and neccesary but NRA -- NO WAY!

GOA is feared, in the halls of congress, Harry Reid said:

Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) says the National Rifle Association (NRA) is “bad, really bad” and the group Gun Owners of America is “even worse than bad.”

and Mitch McConnell heard from GOA members and blocked gun control

We are hearing from Capitol Hill insiders that Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and other Senate GOP leaders are blocking plans to stick red flag gun confiscation orders onto the COVID-19 relief bill.

With respect to NES Membership, I have looked at the benefits several times, I have no need to upload 10 MEG attachments or store 5000 messages, sell in the classifieds, I have sold less than 5 guns in the past 30 years. Selling on the classifieds might be a good thing for Mass residents to buy off list Glocks, serves me no purpose in NH. Group buys, I have other ways to get good deals on exactly what I want rather than a dupe of what everyone else is getting, not interested in shoots or lunches.... In short membership would not provide me with any real value. Sorry...
 
Typical NES skinflints. Great Scott do you have any idea? Idiots.

Try to picture our nation without the NRA. What do you think our 2A rights look like?


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Doesn’t take much imagination. What was the last meaningful piece of legislation the NRA spearheaded?

I‘ll bet most NES’rs diverted their NRA money to other organizations like I have. NRA is rotten to the core.
 
Doesn’t take much imagination. What was the last meaningful piece of legislation the NRA spearheaded?

I‘ll bet most NES’rs diverted their NRA money to other organizations like I have. NRA is rotten to the core.

It's simply amazing to me how closely your comments about the NRA parallel the Democrats/Progessives/Liberals comments about us and Donald Trump.

Simply amazing.
 
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