Not an AR barrel shroud?

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You need a barrel nut, how much NUT. for a pistol build to be legal
BARREL NUT, AR-15 PLATFORM, M-LOK, KEYMOD, & TRIM to much??

or other good options on specific nut that wont make you a felon.
also seen lots of lingo for the handguard catch, barrel extension, slip ring

I dont want any kind of shroud and not meet intent of our new screwed up laws

Nothing said on gas tube protection. options add something to front site block to upper rail, to protect the gas tube from damage without any hand guard shroud thingy.
 
How does this even work if you can't even buy a lower? I don't really understand how you're going to get there if lowers are supposedly banned by this BS. And if the gun you're building involves an "on 8/1" receiver then this isn't even an issue.
 
drgrant said:
If a post 8/1 AR receiver isn't legal, then how are you going to do that? 🤣
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legal if pre 8/1. Also still question on post 8/1 lower. Colt never made a pistol. So the lower technical may not be copy. Could by changed slightly. Remember colt large pin. Maybe something similar.
Need to find workaround.
 
powerman said:
legal if pre 8/1. Also still question on post 8/1 lower. Colt never made a pistol. So the lower technical may not be copy. Could by changed slightly. Remember colt large pin. Maybe something similar.
Need to find workaround.
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If it's pre/on 8/1 it doesn't matter because its grandfathered and exempt.
 
powerman said:
For a pistol it does
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powerman said:
legal if pre 8/1. Also still question on post 8/1 lower. Colt never made a pistol. So the lower technical may not be copy. Could by changed slightly. Remember colt large pin. Maybe something similar.
Need to find workaround.
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Good luck finding a lower that isn’t an ASF.

The substantially similar and interchangeable parry’s tests make any AR lower an ASF.
 
milktree said:
Good luck finding a lower that isn’t an ASF.

The substantially similar and interchangeable parry’s tests make any AR lower an ASF.
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Of course there's the contradiction where you take something like an intact 22LR AR15 as an intact gun, it's not a centerfire which isn't supposed to be regulated by this BS, but the receiver alone could be? Or does one thing take supremacy over the other?
 
All of the confusion with this mess makes you want to give up and just do what you want. Purchase what you want and build what you want. You are in charge of yourself and know what you want to gamble with. The effin dems are going to do whatever they want, legally or not, to screw anyone who owns firearms anyway.
 
powerman said:
legal if pre 8/1. Also still question on post 8/1 lower. Colt never made a pistol. So the lower technical may not be copy. Could by changed slightly. Remember colt large pin. Maybe something similar.
Need to find workaround.
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The receiver itself is a ASF since it is interchangeable with pretty much any other AR lower - you can't have the lower even as part of a pistol.
Yes, you could mod the lower so that it no longer is compatible with standard AR components then why bother?
 
drgrant said:
Of course there's the contradiction where you take something like an intact 22LR AR15 as an intact gun, it's not a centerfire which isn't supposed to be regulated by this BS, but the receiver alone could be? Or does one thing take supremacy over the other?
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I thought they dropped the .22LR exception from the bill when they passed it. Am I mistaken, or did they leave the exception in the sections of the law that they didn't change?
 
Toast said:
I thought they dropped the .22LR exception from the bill when they passed it. Am I mistaken, or did they leave the exception in the sections of the law that they didn't change?
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The definition of ASF includes that it is centerfire specifically...
 
wcorey said:
The definition of ASF includes that it is centerfire specifically...
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Well, that's part (a) of the definition. However, part (e) reads:
(e) Any of the following firearms, or copies or duplicates of these firearms, of any caliber, ....​
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which would seem to add an exception to DrGrant's "something like an intact 22LR AR15 as an intact gun". If you read the relationship of parts (a) and (e) as an "or", an AR15 in .22LR would seem to count as a duplicate, which would make it an ASF. The July 16 letter explicitly excluded .22LR:
"The following are examples of weapons that are not copies or duplicates of enumeratedweapons under G.L. c. 140 §121: any .17 or .22 caliber rimfire rifle;"​
but the current bill does not seem to.
 
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Toast said:
I thought they dropped the .22LR exception from the bill when they passed it. Am I mistaken, or did they leave the exception in the sections of the law that they didn't change?
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There's list of crap that defines what an ASF is. It explicitly uses the term "centerfire" .
 
powerman said:
You need a barrel nut, how much NUT. for a pistol build to be legal
BARREL NUT, AR-15 PLATFORM, M-LOK, KEYMOD, & TRIM to much??

or other good options on specific nut that wont make you a felon.
also seen lots of lingo for the handguard catch, barrel extension, slip ring

I dont want any kind of shroud and not meet intent of our new screwed up laws

Nothing said on gas tube protection. options add something to front site block to upper rail, to protect the gas tube from damage without any hand guard shroud thingy.
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Dude, what are you talking about?

Just skip the build and turn it into a rifle.
 
drgrant said:
There's list of crap that defines what an ASF is. It explicitly uses the term "centerfire" .
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Yeah, but the whole "copies and duplicates" expressly calls out that it applies to any caliber, so your .22LR AR-15 example would seem to get caught that way.

Yet another example of Schrödinger's ASF. It can be considered simultaeously both legal and illegal as long as it's unobserved by a court.
 
There are probably some lowers you can get that use AR controls but aren't part of the AR-15 platform, loosely speaking (i.e. not interchangeable with the referenced Colt AR-15). But at that point, going the SBR route is probably an easier course of action. A barrel shroud has to encircle the barrel and be purposefully designed to protect the shooter's non-trigger hand from getting burnt. There are work-arounds galore for this, all with their own degree of risk. That said, if they are having a discussion about your handguard, you're past the point of no return anyway.
 
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