Norway - The Aftermath

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So it begins - The Brady Bunch will join in by by Friday I'm betting...

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=709708&publicationSubCategoryId=63

'Strict gun control, public vigilance can prevent Norway incident' By Alexis Romero (The Philippine Star) Updated July 25, 2011 12:00 AM Comments (17)


"MANILA, Philippines - A senior military officer reminded the people yesterday that the enforcement of laws against illegal firearms and the vigilance of citizens are needed to prevent violent incidents similar to those that claimed the lives of more than 90 people in Norway last Saturday.

Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) deputy chief for operations Brig. Gen. Jose Mabanta Jr. said public vigilance would complement the efforts of the security forces.

“Two important things can thwart similar incidents. First is strict gun control. Second is the vigilance of the citizenry to complement the initiatives of our security sector,” Mabanta told The STAR yesterday.

He said the enforcement of laws against loose firearms is a major concern in the Philippines especially in the south.
 
Strict gun control? In the Philippines? [rofl]

Gen. Mabanta, get back to us after you disarm the Moro National Liberation Front, the Moro Islamic Liberation Front, Abu Sayyaf, etc.
 
M1911 said:
Strict gun control? In the Philippines? [rofl]

Gen. Mabanta, get back to us after you disarm the Moro National Liberation Front, the Moro Islamic Liberation Front, Abu Sayyaf, etc.
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This lecture coming from a country with their history? The Phillipine army and police can ESAD
 
Gun control and a dependency on others to protect them is what cost so many lives. No one else was available to stop him when he went on his rampage.
 
MaverickNH said:
So it begins - The Brady Bunch will join in by by Friday I'm betting...

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=709708&publicationSubCategoryId=63

'Strict gun control, public vigilance can prevent Norway incident' By Alexis Romero (The Philippine Star) Updated July 25, 2011 12:00 AM Comments (17)


"MANILA, Philippines - A senior military officer reminded the people yesterday that the enforcement of laws against illegal firearms and the vigilance of citizens are needed to prevent violent incidents similar to those that claimed the lives of more than 90 people in Norway last Saturday.

Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) deputy chief for operations Brig. Gen. Jose Mabanta Jr. said public vigilance would complement the efforts of the security forces.

“Two important things can thwart similar incidents. First is strict gun control. Second is the vigilance of the citizenry to complement the initiatives of our security sector,” Mabanta told The STAR yesterday.

He said the enforcement of laws against loose firearms is a major concern in the Philippines especially in the south.
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The Philippines has a much larger gun control context that makes this story irrelevant to anything in the US. The government is using election violence as a means to disarm the population including the police themselves. This country is a poster child for why disarmament can't be allowed to happen.
 
I am surprised that it took this long before some anti-gun groups started calling for more gun control to prevent tragedies like this from occuring. Even though there is no evidence to support any such claims.
 
"the enforcement of laws against illegal firearms and the vigilance of citizens are needed to prevent violent incidents similar to those .. in Norway"
BS
The severity of the events in Norway are a direct result of these laws and to paraphrase Jose, the dependence on 'the state' of kids these today. No amount of law against 'illegal firearms' (or more correctly, people who would commit crime) would have prevented this. It is a perfect example of why gun free zones don't work. I wonder if any of those parents who lost children and were also somehow involved in restricting gun ownership there, are now reconsidering and wishing at least the effing security guard had been armed. I know, wishful thinking.
Did anyone hear Hank Morris this morning who was standing in for Michael Graham? He was advocating turning in your neighbor if 'they look weird'. Seriously, is this 1939? At least some people called in and called him on it. Someone named Ray who definately sounded familiar with 2A and another woman who really made him look stupid.
 
Jose said:
BFD. NOTHING beings.

HCI is politically and socially irrelevant.
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Yes, HCI and their ilk are losing, but they haven't lost. What might seem like a mopping up action after Heller & McDonald might turn into a defensive action if Obie gets a 2nd term.

I set up a Google New Alert to track when the Norway incident triggers Gun Control articles. The trickle down started offshore and it will be telling to see if and how it surfaces in the US media. Generally, when an airplane goes down and no Americans are aboard, the US media only gives it a passing nod. Same with mass shootings offshore.
 
When they start that crap here, we start yelling for investigations into GunRunner and Fast and Furious. Two can play the game. I don't think Holder and Obama want those two .gov sanctioned actions in the news. Those two debacles have effectively neutralized any anti gun push for the rest of this administration's term.
 
FreeWillie said:
When they start that crap here, we start yelling for investigations into GunRunner and Fast and Furious. Two can play the game. I don't think Holder and Obama want those two .gov sanctioned actions in the news. Those two debacles have effectively neutralized any anti gun push for the rest of this administration's term.
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CHECK MATE
 
MaverickNH said:
Yes, HCI and their ilk are losing, but they haven't lost. What might seem like a mopping up action after Heller & McDonald might turn into a defensive action if Obie gets a 2nd term.

I set up a Google New Alert to track when the Norway incident triggers Gun Control articles. The trickle down started offshore and it will be telling to see if and how it surfaces in the US media. Generally, when an airplane goes down and no Americans are aboard, the US media only gives it a passing nod. Same with mass shootings offshore.
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Dude, NOTHING is going to happen here.

A freaking congresswoman taking it in the head is not enough to get gun control moving again.

WTF kind of impact is some shooting 5K miles away going to have?

None. That's what.
 
If the BS in Arizona didn't get anything going, what makes anyone think this kind of garbage would? Quick quick the sky is falling....
 
Norway has strict gun control laws. It's almost impossible to be licensed to have a handgun and it took the police 90 minutes to get to the scene.
 
MaverickNH said:
A senior military officer reminded the people yesterday that the enforcement of laws against illegal firearms and the vigilance of citizens are needed to prevent violent incidents similar to those that claimed the lives of more than 90 people in Norway last Saturday.
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I thought I read that his rifle was legally acquired, so I'm not quite sure how laws against illegal guns would have made a difference.

Now if guns were more readily available and people on the island had some capability for self defense, THAT might have prvented or lessened the success of his attack...
 
MaverickNH said:
Yes, HCI and their ilk are losing, but they haven't lost. What might seem like a mopping up action after Heller & McDonald might turn into a defensive action if Obie gets a 2nd term.
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Not a chance in hell. He is done as far as guns go. Holder just kneecapped any chance he had of promoting anything... not to mention the antis have a record low amount of power right now in real terms. (they have no votes other than McCarthy and maybe a handful of the other usual moonbats. )

The sheep will be braying and whining, nothing will stop that, but it's not going to get them anywhere.

-Mike
 
wahsben said:
Gun control and a dependency on others to protect them is what cost so many lives. No one else was available to stop him when he went on his rampage.
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I just read this:

Police defended their decision to drive to the murder scene on Utoeya rather than take the force’s sole helicopter, saying that they responded as fast as possible to reports of shooting and that the helicopter wasn’t equipped for the task of emergency firearms response.
“I completely understand that for those caught in the line of fire as well as for their relatives the response time felt long,” Sissel Hammer, the chief of police for Nordre Buskerud, the district that includes Utoeya and which received the first reports, said in a statement. “However, I ask for understanding of the fact that the deployment of armed police personnel will always require time. Personnel need time to be equipped and armed as well as transported to the scene."

Wow. I am so truly sad for them. Can there be a more clear argument why people need to be armed and take responsibility for their own defense?
 
I've only been casually following this story so far...but I haven't seen any news about what weapon(s) the shooter was using -- caliber, semi/auto, mags. Not that the media typically get it right, but does anyone know?
 
gunclinger said:
I've only been casually following this story so far...but I haven't seen any news about what weapon(s) the shooter was using -- caliber, semi/auto, mags. Not that the media typically get it right, but does anyone know?
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Don't know don't care.

What does it matter?
 
Mattyweb said:
"the enforcement of laws against illegal firearms and the vigilance of citizens are needed to prevent violent incidents similar to those .. in Norway"
BS
The severity of the events in Norway are a direct result of these laws and to paraphrase Jose, the dependence on 'the state' of kids these today. No amount of law against 'illegal firearms' (or more correctly, people who would commit crime) would have prevented this. It is a perfect example of why gun free zones don't work. I wonder if any of those parents who lost children and were also somehow involved in restricting gun ownership there, are now reconsidering and wishing at least the effing security guard had been armed. I know, wishful thinking.
Did anyone hear Hank Morris this morning who was standing in for Michael Graham? He was advocating turning in your neighbor if 'they look weird'. Seriously, is this 1939? At least some people called in and called him on it. Someone named Ray who definately sounded familiar with 2A and another woman who really made him look stupid.
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nut jobs walking around with rifles killing kids at a summer camp IS going to whip up the masses! A serious tragedy, for sure.

What is the solution? We, obviously, feel that our right to bear arms is so fundamentally ingrained in what America means, that even tragedies like this do not shake our resolve. The need to keep this right is important for self protection in an increasingly weird and dangerous world, keep our country's enemies always guessing who amongst us is carrying, and keep the politicians in this country vaguely uneasy about mass revolt every time they think about damaging our constitution.

On the other hand, if this guy was living next door, I would want him found and given treatment before he killed anyone. That might curtail his rights.
 
MaverickNH said:
Generally, when an airplane goes down and no Americans are aboard, the US media only gives it a passing nod. Same with mass shootings offshore.
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With offshore shootings, even if Americans are killed, if it's in a country with strict gun control the media usually only gives it a passing nod as well. It doesn't serve their agenda to show that mass shootings happen in places where guns are banned. I forget the source, but I remember reading that per capita, you are 8 times more likely to die in a school shooting in England, where guns are banned, than you are in America, where gun ownership is a right.
 
I guess if MA folk are feeling so positive about the slim chance of anti-gun politics making a rise post-2012 election, I'll have to rethink my position. But i reserve the right to be paranoid. The constant NRA/GOA alert stream must be finally getting to me!

For those interested, the lastest Norway & Gun Control new (BFD, yes, I know...):

Intersections between the Columbine and Norway killings are barely being touched upon so far, but at least one concerns the fiery issue of gun control.

THE National Coalition for Gun Control has renewed its call for a ban on semi-automatic handguns after the Norway massacre.

“There are some in America who will use this shooting to assert that Norway’s strong gun laws don’t work or to support the American gun lobby’s campaign to make it easier to carry guns in public places,” Acting President of the Brady Campaign Dennis Henigan said. “That would be a tragedy. It should not be forgotten that, in a typical year, Norway loses fewer than 10 of its citizens to gun homicide; America loses an average of 12,000.”

One argument I’ve heard several times since the Oslo shootings is that if more people had simply been carrying guns, and Norway’s restrictive gun ownership policies were looser, that someone would have stopped Breivik from killing so many people. This is doubtful for two reasons.

Neighbouring Finland announced at the weekend that it was fast-forwarding tougher gun laws following the Norway attacks. The most recent changes in firearms legislation came into force at the beginning of June.
 
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