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North Korea situation

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by SHOCKNAWE, Apr 5, 2017.

  1. Goliathan

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    "Can I eat this?"
     

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    I like how there's only 10 rolling down the production line. After he left they shut the place down
     
  3. Goliathan

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    I've always been fascinated by the images that come out of NK. They all seem to have this shallow, staged look, like they only turned on the lights long enough to take the photo. Everything we see is window dressing for western consumption. You get the impression that if the camera spun around the other way it'd be a dark, empty warehouse or something.
     
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  5. goodlife30

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    The threat of North Korea isn't North Korea itself its Japan and South Korea. At some point the craziness of North Korea will convince these two modern economies to build nukes of their own. Then the ability of the us to keep the conflict from going nuclear gets very hard to do.
     
  6. robjax

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    nah...Japan will just blow up another nuclear reactor.If the wind is right anything can happen....
     
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  7. Choctaw

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    Those guys are just too close together to use nuclear weapons. (unless you were completely insane). You would contaminate your own air, water, fish, rain, crops, soil, etc. for generations. It would be like the U.S. dropping a nuke on Canada.
     
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    A smaller yield bomb? Doubtful.

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  9. drgrant

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    Not really, but it all depends on who you are talking about nuking who. If the US, japan, or SK nuked Pyongyang nobody would notice. Even the chinese can probably build decent devices. On the other hand I would not want to see the results of cake-boy's basement nukes going off in the atmosphere at full yield. That would potentially get ugly. If anything I'm surprised the chinese hasn't bombed his nuke shit out of that alone- if a cloud of shit goes the wrong way, that becomes a huge threat to China.

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  10. drgrant

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    Other than the parades and shit, you never see pics of lots of people in one place. Like there's never a picture of a factory like that, filled with people making shit.

    Also maybe its my imagination, but even in a lot of the DPRK military propaganda pics I see, half of their soldiers and officers look emaciated like they have nothing to eat, their uniforms don't fit properly, etc. You could probably get 75% of their military to to defect in 24 hours with a promise of a hot meal. The only guy in that country with a morbidly obese level BMI is probably cake boy himself.

    -Mike
     
  11. new guy

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    We also supposedly wiped out 1/5-1/3 of their population during the Korean War.
     
  12. SHOCKNAWE

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    Kalash, I'm not sure what your point was with taking a partial sentence 15 pages in from my original post and quoting it with those slaughing emoji's but just in case your laughing at my crazy idea that the North Koreans could actually launch a major ground offensive I will type it out. They have over 20,000 artillery pieces that will open fire after the first bullet crosses into their territory, to be followed by over one million fanatical NK regulars pouring into SK. Yea they will get stopped but at a huge cost of lives, we got over 28,000 troops at the potential flashpoint and a large number of them will be KIA regardless of the US owning the air and sea.
     
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    I'm not sure how "fanatical" the NK army is. Its not WWII Japan, there is a reason they have guys pointing guns at the border guards in case they defect.

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    Looking for something besides dogs and cats for dinner.
     
  15. SHOCKNAWE

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    I hope you guys are right, but I fear it won't be as simple or easy as most people think. I'm not sure though how anyone would question the fact that these guys are fanatical, it has been pounded into their souls to hate the USA since birth and that we want to rape and kill them all. Anyone questioning that in NK means you and your family get sent to a brutal prison. Hopefully it doesn't get to a shooting war and if it does then yea hopefully these NK regulars surrender like Iraqi troops did in the gulf wars but you can't count on that wether they are starving or not.
     
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    Well just like Israel, it would serve as a deferent. Right now, North Korea can do all the saber rattling it wants. But what happens if some South Korean nationalist gets into office and says enough is enough. Let's be done with it and pull the trigger before they do. North Korea has pulled a lot of crap over the years. Same with Japan now targeted by missles and nukes. Considering they already got a-bombed twice, they could say just end the regime with a blinding white flash instead of going through another Hiroshima. That's the threat of North Korea. Not some regime armed with outdated military equipment and cannot feed its own people. It's the nuclear geenie getting out of the bottle. Imagine a nuclear Japan facing off against china?
     
  17. Boris

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    NKs taught since childhood that all Americans are pedo-homo soulless goblins who eat children and lie lie lie. No one will defect. Same deal with many soldiers on the Eastern front during WWII or during the Finn war, no Soviets would surrender after the tales that they would be tortured and killed by Finns, meanwhile Stalin will do the same to their families back home (and he totally did)

    A lot of them escape over the border to China, but China would return then or Chinese work them as slaves. Those are the cases when they are not just starving but being tortured as well. Unreal amount of suffering.

    I think that NKs are worse than Japanese. In NK these people they are brainwashed and watched 24/7, so even when big brother and your squealing "friends" are not watching you, you will think that you are being watched.

    Japs were crazy, NKs are like Pavlovian dogs. You can take them out of NK but you can't take communism out of them.


    In NK it's a full circle of people watching each other. If you see someone not being 100% loyal, you report them. It may be a test and someone will report you for not reporting, then you go to Gulag. So everyone reports on everyone, all the time. It's better to report on the safe side, just in case then not being watchful of American spies and homo-unbelievers in the great works of Kim Er Sen.

    There is a really good documentary by a Russian dude, shot mostly undercover.

    [video=youtube_share;8QRFx5pXb_M]http://youtu.be/8QRFx5pXb_M[/video]
     
  18. Boris

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    this is US in the eyes of North Koreans, does anyone really think that NKs will run to surrender for a hot meal?

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    which wasn't all that different from the Soviet perspective (US Army - the tool of aggression and terror [laugh] [frown])

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  19. MachineHead

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    There are some really good documentaries on YouTube and Netflix on North Korea.

    "The Propaganda Game" on Netflix and "Camp 14: Total Control Zone" on YouTube are really good.

    The only other guy who looks like he hordes all the Twinkies is a Spaniard traitor named Alejandro Cao de Benós.

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    What surprises me is how readily and willingly DPRK will take American tourist money. I'm sure the people of DPRK have asked themselves that question. But, I'm also sure no one would dare ask that question out loud.
     
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    A lot of the rhetoric here reminds me of what folks said about how formidable the Republican Guard would be. Twice.

    Fact is, none of us really knows about the fighting qualities of the PRK army. Let's hope the Pentagon knows more than they're saying.

    I feel they're a paper tiger, that our superior air power, counterfire, and naval capabilities would whip the bejeezus out of their on-call assets in short order, and that the resulting attrition phase would be extremely short. Bloody, but nowhere near as bloody as some of you suppose.

    Again, I'm the first to admit I can't be certain about any of this. But it's very difficult for me to come up with a way PRK could extend a shooting war long enough to truly threaten anyone else, long-term. Provided they're hit before they perfect their ICBMs...
     
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    These NK regulars pouring over the border will indeed be out of their mind fanatical and killing anything in sight once they get a wiff of McDonald's fries and burgers cooking in Seoul. They won't know what to do with themselves with food in a nearby location!!!
     
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    Who knows what the reality would turn out to be, but I wouldn't be sleeping too well these days if my family was living in Seoul.
     
  24. drgrant

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    You're assuming they actually believe all that crap, and I doubt most of them really do. Most of them are only doing what they're doing for the state, because there's a gun being held to their head (or their family's) if they don't.

    I think the control they have there is a lot more fragile than most make it out to be. This isn't like Imperialist Japan or something. Think more like Saddam Hussein, but even more authoritarian.

    Also not like China or old school USSR where even despite communism, there is probably some legitimate elements of pride in their nation. On the other hand most people would probably leave NK if given half the chance. They're only smiling because the man with the gun makes them smile.

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    I was given the 'go' to delegate some SK responsibility for work and will probably visit half as often, if not less. That said, I was in Japan last week and during all the saber rattling it did cross my mind that Japan is a likely target for NK if they go F-R.

    I've mentioned it before- I think there's a reason all those NK missiles are failing. Hell, even the SCUDs had a better hit rate.
     
  26. drgrant

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    I think the biggest risk from them is the fact that they can pop shells on populated parts of south korea. That could cause a bloodbath of civilians in the south. You could probably blow up most of their "important" shit in a couple of weeks. I think long term they're a joke, but short term, it could be a dumpster fire.

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    I totally believed that crap, most people did. There is no alternative picture, the world as we knew it was written by propaganda machine. Shit, you got people on NES thinking that they totally can build communism with Bernie as their leader [laugh] imagine what you can do where every single tv/radio/book reinforces the image of the West as the rotting out, immoral society with inequality and uncertainty.

    Even more, there are x-USSR people on other boards who after 25+ years living in the states, still believe in the glory days, the mighty Soviet Union, glorious Socialism, evil capitalists who oppress the masses. I have no idea why they don't go back to Russia, but then trying to make sense of moonbats is equally challenging.
     
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    This is such a great post. It encompasses so many lives. It is hard to imagine that people who live in these communist countries know an absolute zero about America. Radio waves are jammed, no television, no magazines, no news.....Yet, go Bernie here! F me, why America, why?
     
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    IMG_2992.jpg This gives an idea of the potential damage areas from NK strikes which would happen immediately upon conflict regardless if the NK army falls apart or not
     
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    True on the targeting, but "bloodbath" is a strong term.

    Unobserved fires are inaccurate and spotty, giving time for civilians to get to the shelters. Then, the counterbattery response from ROK/US forces will be massive, and considerably more accurate: we've got gps, an Air Force with the ability to laser-guide, Q36 radar capable of locating enemy batteries before their first adjusting rounds even impact. We've got satellites and MLRS. We've got Longbow Apaches, RAP rounds, and whatever they're calling the 2017 version of Copperheads.

    They've got analog batteries. 20k guns, yes, but generally immobile and hopelessly outdated. And no spares once we strike them.

    The artillery duel will be short, brutal, and very lopsided. If we're bringing it up on NES, the Army has thought of it first.
     
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