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no defence against knife attacks

I think the best thing you could learn from this, is run like hell if you fell like you're going to end up in this kind of situation.
 
You should notice two things significant here:

- NO officer really moved (diagonally backwards) while under attack. A standing-still target is ALWAYS going to get cut/shot.

- The officers who drew would have fired shots straight ahead, they never even turned towards the "perp". Getting off 2 or 3 shots is great, but if you aim/shoot where the "perp" WAS standing at the beginning, ignoring his movement, you lose!

Proves what our Defensive Handgun Tactics instructors all said . . . if you are still standing where you started out, you WILL get CUT/SHOT! You have to "move offline" either sideways or backwards at an angle to stand a chance.
 
LenS said:
You should notice two things significant here:

- NO officer really moved (diagonally backwards) while under attack. A standing-still target is ALWAYS going to get cut/shot.

- The officers who drew would have fired shots straight ahead, they never even turned towards the "perp". Getting off 2 or 3 shots is great, but if you aim/shoot where the "perp" WAS standing at the beginning, ignoring his movement, you lose!

Proves what our Defensive Handgun Tactics instructors all said . . . if you are still standing where you started out, you WILL get CUT/SHOT! You have to "move offline" either sideways or backwards at an angle to stand a chance.


lens I think the point was to show reaction time, not actual technique.
 
Even if the officers moved, they'd likely get cut, but it "should" be more realistic. However, as I've stated a number of times before . . . 19 years of LE qualification under MCJTC/MPTC standards had us standing stationary for every shot . . . so the "lack" of movement you saw is <sadly> very likely the way an average officer (maybe not SWAT trained LEOs) would react.
 
Yeah, that was the first thing I noticed as well. I assumed that one reason the encounters were staged in such narrow spaces was to minimize the effect of movement. The other thing that jumped out at me was the shooters insistance in moving into the sort of shooting stance one might use with an agressor 50' away, rather than opening fire as soon as the gun had cleared the holster and was pointed at the target. Yes, even with all this you're going to get seriously cut at that range no matter what you do; I'd just like to know that I'd put the guy who cut me down for the count. Movement and using a shooting stance appropriate for the situation would accomplish that if you've practiced enough to be quick.

Ken
 
I took karate (Szu Zun Ku Do I think it was called) when I was 10 until about 15. I quit when I got a steady girlfriend.

When I lived in Roxbury (Baker hall Wentworth) there was a liquor store we could always buy at. We got mugged by 4 people on the way back and a man with a Bowie knife threatened me (the one with the Brass Knuckles). So me being a big shot tried to disarm him. Well here are the results 15 years later. The picture does not do justice, but it has healed quite well over the years.

48 Stitches on the outside, 37 inside. I ran away crying like a little girl. they did catch they guys later.
 
LenS said:
Proves what our Defensive Handgun Tactics instructors all said . . . if you are still standing where you started out, you WILL get CUT/SHOT! You have to "move offline" either sideways or backwards at an angle to stand a chance.


Or move towards the bastard & cut/shoot him first. [devil2]
 
Producer said:
I took karate (Szu Zun Ku Do I think it was called) when I was 10 until about 15. I quit when I got a steady girlfriend.

When I lived in Roxbury (Baker hall Wentworth) there was a liquor store we could always buy at. We got mugged by 4 people on the way back and a man with a Bowie knife threatened me (the one with the Brass Knuckles). So me being a big shot tried to disarm him. Well here are the results 15 years later. The picture does not do justice, but it has healed quite well over the years.

48 Stitches on the outside, 37 inside. I ran away crying like a little girl. they did catch they guys later.


Who wouldn't cry after having chunk of flesh carved from them?

My younger brother and one of my friends take Karate together. We like to spar against eachother. They were talking about the knife/gun drills they were doing. So got out a toy knife to see what they learned.

Basicly, a top down or wide side slash is not terribly difficult to block. Though it helps alot to know its coming. But when you jab or make quick inside slashes, they were able to block/grab the knife hand, but almost always ended up with the same cut you have on the inside of their arms or even a slash to the chest.

Best advise for a knife is keep as much distance as possible. If not, then put all your weight into controlling the knife hand.
 
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It just came so fast. I remember they said to use your forearm because they said it would not hurt as much. OW.
 
From what I see on this the purpose was only to show how quickly a knife attack can happen. It did not show any defensive tactics at all.

The perp at the window should have been approached gun in hand and there were many other obviously staged errors.

A person with a knife closer than 21 feet is a danger. Proven fact. How fast can you draw?????

Regards,
 
I think it would be a good idea if you find yourself in a situation like this, knife or not, its good to have the physical tools to defend yourself, much better then a having a gun. Bas Rutten (former UFC champ and Pride Fighter) has a good video which is a nice primer for street fighting, but taking a few classes and staying in practice isn't a bad idea.
 
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