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Why are there exceptions for police? This "overlord > serf" mentality is pathetic.
Didn't they hear that Chris Christie said he had expanded gun rights in New Jersey, I'm sure they're covered.
On December 21, Governor Chris Christie (R) released a statement supporting the clarification of New Jersey gun laws and the expansion of what qualifies as a “justifiable need,” as it pertains to reaching the threshold for being issued a firearm carry permit.
Didn't they hear that Chris Christie said he had expanded gun rights in New Jersey, I'm sure they're covered.
During Thursday’s Republican presidential debate, Chris Christie cited his veto of a proposed gun ban to bolster his conservative bonafides… while leaving off the inconvenient fact that he was the one who proposed the ban to begin with.
“By that logic, that makes the entire Rutgers police force -- which is one of the largest in the state -- ineligible. And that flies in the face of the intent of the law, which is to increase public safety.”
exactly. Can they show an elevated need to carry more than that of an average citizen. I would argue that with their extentsive training and street smarts they are less needy to carry.I'm sure they have a lot violent enemies bent on revenge, after tough decades patrolling the mean hallways of the school of medicine and dentistry.
exactly. Can they show an elevated need to carry more than that of an average citizen. I would argue that with their extentsive training and street smarts they are less needy to carry.
He represents John Kotchkowski, 55, and Robert Dunsmuir, 48, two retired University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey police sergeants who were denied right-to-carry permits.
too stupid to move out of new jersey after retiring = too stupid to carry a gun.Retired at 48 and 55. No longer special. Yeah, this is just a damned shame. ****ing clowns.
Why are there exceptions for police? This "overlord > serf" mentality is pathetic.
Want to increased public safety? Let the rest of your population carry.
As I am led to believe Ma$$holechusetts has a CMR that limits the application of LEOSA. ...
... I have no use for the states that do not trust the armed citizen.
- That Glock fotay you want in Mass? Sorry, Marsha - I have a Federal License to buy it.
A few months ago, comments on NES inspired some thoughts on a cheap and cheesy way to achieve nationwide gun rights (well, privileges). Under a sufficiently non-Donk Congress and administration, push a specific kind of law so that gun owners don't have to wait for yet another unicorn fart of liberty from the Supreme Court:
Amend LEOSA to apply to all (non-FPP) adults - co-opt most of the language for normal people.
No "suitability" nonsense, no state- or local-level restraints on guns and ammo; not even reciprocity between all the more or less flawed state laws. Your Federal card would be a nationwide license to buy what you wanted and take it where you wanted, regardless of restrictions placed upon people carrying under a state license.
- That Glock fotay you want in Mass? Sorry, Marsha - I have a Federal License to buy it.
- Loaded with hollow points in Newark? No problem - I have a Federal License to carry them.
- Anti's blathering on MSNBC about what the Second means? The point is moot - I have a Federal License.
Advantages could include fig leaves woven in about training, photo identification, etc. - hopefully stupid things that slay gun-grabber strawmen without actually burdening real people in practice. For instance, a (one-time) short course that most jurisdictions might have already. (Let it include briefing on the agenda and machinations of gun grabbers, so that new gun owners know their enemy). Photo-id requirements that are coincidentally out of reach of crimaliens; etc. Under no circumstances require more from citizens than police.
Disadvantages include the possibility that the law would be a single point of failure. If it was popular enough and most people carried on their Federal license, then state schemes might wither. (One might jawbone the states by making Federal law-enforcement funding for states contingent on supporting gun ownership at the status quo or better). And if the Federal regime were popular enough, it would be the single biggest target of the gun grabbers. The ideal protection would be for gun ownership to leap to high enough levels even in blue states that it's the anti's themselves that would be resigned to gnash their teeth in the outer darkness.
There are proposals for National Carry. I don't know if this one shares all their advantages, or has unique flaws. Yet spun properly, it might cause neutral voters to question why it shouldn't be passed. It would be ironic if LEOSA turned out to have allowed the camel's nose into the tent.
I look forward to SCOTUS unicorn farts about Full Faith and Credit, Interstate Commerce, and plain old striking down state/local laws as violating the plain letter of the Constitition. But some Federal carry statute might make a good firewall in the meantime.
One wouldn't have to change the existing LEOSA provisions - one could add the non-cop sections in parallel. If Congress was sufficiently concerned about police misbehavior compared to the Average Joe, they could retain the sections requiring cops to pass annual qualifications and remaining in good standing with their departments.
So (getting back to the subject), NJ cops could continue to receive all of their current entitlements, good and hard.
As alluded to in this LEOSA thread.
At least there's a $43K Lovely Parting Gift, to help you get back over the Hellhole/Freedom border.
If only they were better holding pens for the kind of citizens who elect that kind of politicians.
What? They don't sell rape whistles in N.J.?
One of my FB friends lives in NH. Former city PD in a city/state five hours south.
Posted a pic of his 'retired' badge with a caption "My get out of jail free card."
I left a (not so) tongue-in-cheek, profanity-laced comment asking why he'd be IN jail, and why his badge should suffice to get him out. Called him out on lack of police accountability, and how the brotherhood of the thin blue line is one of our biggest problems as a country.
Then I asked to borrow it.
He must not have thought it was funny. He didn't unfriend me, but deleted the comment.