NH Senate Judiciary CMTE, Votes to kill two good gun bills, and may kill Con Carry

[design]

Warning: If you want to save $100 you need to get involved!

Today in hearings: The Senate Judiciary just voted "interim Study", in layman's terms, "Kill the bill" for the following two bills:

HB194, a bill addressing a poorly drafted poaching statute that gets people arrested for setting their loaded rifle on their car when they their are done shooting at the range.
People should be allowed to have their long guns in their cars when their cars are on private property. This version was weak but agreed to by members of F&G and then they testified against the bill...

HB334, Statewide preemption: Prohibiting local municipalities from regulating firearms without requiring the state legislature involved. This bill would ensure that local towns, state agencies, etc., don't create their own rules prohibiting firearms.

HB536 is still undecided. (At this point they have broken their promise to pass a bill that was agreed to by the various gun groups in the Senate, so my gut feel is this is dying a slow death.
They now want additional restrictions, and are going to gut the bill.

For all of you in MA who want to save $100, call your NH friends and ask them to call their Senators, or enjoy the $100 fee that NH charges.

Call your Senator, even if they are a sponsor, because of the 5 members on Judiciary, 1 Democrat, 5 Republicans (4 present, 1 absent), the bills died.

BTW, the motion to kill the bill was either made by or 2nded by a Republican, so if you think you can trust them, I would say that you are mistaken.

Lastly, those on Judiciary are some of the most liberty minded Senators, so to think that the entire Senate is going to overturn this is wishful at best, but....

If you call, and call your neighbor and ask them to call their Senator, maybe this can still be pulled off

Or you can continue to help fund our Dept. of Safety...

[sad2]

 

[Jude Thaddeus]

I just sent this to the Judiciary Committee, my Senator, and Rep. Hoell. I'm pissed that some of OUR representatives are forgetting who elected them to their position of power.


"It has been brought to my attention that the Judiciary committee has voted for an "Intern Study" for two important bills; HB194 and HB334. I was also stated that HB536 is in jeopardy of being either gutted or allowed to die in committee. This is unacceptable. The House passed all three of these bills because the people that elected them want them. Please realize that you were voted to this position of Senator to represent the people of New Hampshire, not the NRA, GO-NH, or any other association, including the NH Association of Chiefs of Police. In this position you are also obligated to uphold the U.S. and NH Constitution. Its saddens me that some of you are forgetting these facts.
All across the United States, there is a groundswell of support for the right to keep and bear arms. In December 2011, the FBI screened the largest number of people for gun purchases in one month. This broke the previous record that happened the MONTH before, November 2011. The people have spoken. They want to keep and bear their arms as they see fit. Why are some of our ELECTED representatives forgetting who put them in this position?
I implore you to reconsider your vote for "Intern Study" for HB 194 and HB 334. Release them from the Committee AS IS so they can be voted on. Also, vote to pass HB 536 AS IS so the Senate can vote. Thank you and I hope the people of New Hampshire can count on you to do what they want you to."

Respectfully,


People, let's get these letters, emails, and phone calls going to rectify this.

 

[knoxy]

There's still HB1318 which is still in House committee. http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/bil...&txtsessionyear=2012&txtbillnumber=HB1318&q=1 From the bill text: I. Permits any person who meets the requirements established in RSA 159:4 to carry a firearm openly or concealed, loaded or unloaded, on or about his or her person or upon or in a vehicle. II. Removes, under certain circumstances, the requirement that nonresidents obtain a license to possess a firearm while in New Hampshire.

 

[Jude Thaddeus]

While submitting HB1318 is great, I don't see how this could make it through without opposition from MANY "pro-gun" organizations. We all have seen what happens when they start to interfere. Also, we all know Flynch will veto if this gets legs and makes it to his desk. That's why we NEED all of representatives, both House and Senate, behind these bills; for the override vote. I'm not really worried about the House but the Senate looks like its filled with antis- based on their voting record for these sort of bills. Selecting a new Governor can't happen quick enough!

 

[enbloc]

I just sent this to the Judiciary Committee, my Senator, and Rep. Hoell. I'm pissed that some of OUR representatives are forgetting who elected them to their position of power.


"It has been brought to my attention that the Judiciary committee has voted for an "Intern Study" for two important bills; HB194 and HB334. I was also stated that HB536 is in jeopardy of being either gutted or allowed to die in committee. This is unacceptable. The House passed all three of these bills because the people that elected them want them. Please realize that you were voted to this position of Senator to represent the people of New Hampshire, not the NRA, GO-NH, or any other association, including the NH Association of Chiefs of Police. In this position you are also obligated to uphold the U.S. and NH Constitution. Its saddens me that some of you are forgetting these facts.
All across the United States, there is a groundswell of support for the right to keep and bear arms. In December 2011, the FBI screened the largest number of people for gun purchases in one month. This broke the previous record that happened the MONTH before, November 2011. The people have spoken. They want to keep and bear their arms as they see fit. Why are some of our ELECTED representatives forgetting who put them in this position?
I implore you to reconsider your vote for "Intern Study" for HB 194 and HB 334. Release them from the Committee AS IS so they can be voted on. Also, vote to pass HB 536 AS IS so the Senate can vote. Thank you and I hope the people of New Hampshire can count on you to do what they want you to."

Respectfully,
David Hoyt Jr.

People, let's get these letters, emails, and phone calls going to rectify this.

Most excellent letter.
Thanks for sending it.

~Matt

edit: I reread the letter. Is it supposed to read "Interim" not "Intern"?

 

[enbloc]

Also, being from Mass and paying $100 non-res fees; which of these House Bills pertain to that?
I have many voting relatives in NH.
Good Luck,
~Matt

 

[Jude Thaddeus]

Just received a response from the Senator Matthew Houde, which is the Chairman of the Judiciary committee. I find it strange that I finally receive a response after writing him multiple times. I must have hit a nerve! Hope his constituents are paying attention.

"Mr. Hoyt,



The committee did recommend Interim Study on those two bills as we heard substantial testimony raising concerns with the implications of the legislation as they came to us. With interim study, additional time can be devoted to determine whether those issues can be resolved.



I would just note two things: one, every member of the Senate will have an opportunity to vote on the committee's recommendation; and two, in response to your comment that we should represent the people of NH, I believe we all try our best to do that every day. In fact, most of the people of NH that have communicated to me about these bills do not in fact support them - regardless of the position of any one particular group. So we balance those competing interests and try to do what is best for all the people of NH.



Thank you for writing.



Matthew Houde"

Edit: I just realized he also sent his response to everyone on the committee. Is this standard practice or is this a special circumstance?

 

[Jude Thaddeus]

Most excellent letter.
Thanks for sending it.

~Matt

edit: I reread the letter. Is it supposed to read "Interim" not "Intern"?

Yes, I was supposed to say Interm, not Intern. Damn spell check doesn't believe that Interm is a word.

 

[GraftonNH]

Yes, I was supposed to say Interm, not Intern. Damn spell check doesn't believe that Interm is a word.

Not to take away from your letter, but spell check still doesn't like it because it is interim not interm. Note the second I.

 

[Jude Thaddeus]

Not to take away from your letter, but spell check still doesn't like it because it is interim not interm. Note the second I.

Great. Now I look like a buck toothed hick to my reps. Lol

 

[MichaelJR]

So it looks like the illustrious jack booted thug CoP club got to the ears of your state gov.
So when he says "most of the people of NH that have communicated to me about these bills do not in fact support them", by 'people' he actually means cops that have a complex about an armed population.

 

[Friday]

And you wonder why scriv always harped on spelling...

 

[enbloc]

Don't worry Mr Hoyt.
You mean more to us than those scallywag pols do.
~Matt

 

[exo]

I looked up this Matthew Houde guy, and surprise surprise he's a democrat.

Just look at this guy. What a chode.

 

[Jude Thaddeus]

Here you go, guys. You're gonna LOVE this email response I received. God, I'm thinking of moving out of this state to Arizona!

"Dear Mr.Hoyt,

Thank you for taking the time to write the Judiciary committee and myself. Deciding on these bills was not easy. We spent hours yesterday listening to an enormous amount of testimony. We allowed everyone who wanted to testify, to have their opportunity.

In my district the overwhelming majority of emails, especially for HB194 and HB334, were opposed to these bills. I'm not sure where you are getting your data for support of these bills. I sure would like to see any surveys that show this.

Where are you getting your information on HB536? Saying that, "HB536 is in jeopardy of being either gutted or allowed to die in committee," is grossly inaccurate. We are taking a very close look at this bill.

What I find disconcerting is to receive "copy and paste" emails on this issue from you and others. What I find more persuasive is an email that is written by you and reflects your personal thoughts and comments on this issue.

I don't know if you were at the committee hearing yesterday, but what did impact me, was that the majority of testimony in support, especially of HB194 and HB334, were critiques of the testimony in opposition to these bills. What is more persuasive for me is to hear testimony that supports these bills, not attacking the other side.

I hope that this helps you to understand my process in looking at these bills and not ignoring the wishes of citizens of my district and the state.

Very Sincerely,
Jim Luther
State Senator

Sent from my iPad"

Would I be wrong to call this guy a dick?

 

[Garys]

Would I be wrong to call this guy a dick?

Of course not. He disagreed with your position, pointed out facts that disputed you, and suggested that he finds individually crafted letters more persuasive than cut and past form letters.

In sum, he gave you several pointers that you can use in the future to make your position and letters more effective.

That definitely makes him a dick head.

 

[exo]

So according to this guy it's wrong to pick apart the argument against these bills? He must be the product of the "Hey that's not fair! Mommeeee!!!" educational system.

 

[Jude Thaddeus]

The critiques I can take. It's the overall attitude and contempt that drips from his response that i do not like. If you had read my email I sent to them, he would have seen where I got the data; the FBI. Thanks for the reply though. It really helped clarify things for me.

 

[noddaduma]

I'm actually impressed that you received non-boiler-plate letters, regardless of the fact that they told you to pound sand.

That does not happen in many other places.

 

[enbloc]

Keep fighting the good fight Hoyt.
We appreciate you down here in Massachusetts.
As I understand it, NH has part-time representatives. Have you ever considered a part-time job?
The state could use you...now.
~Matt

 

[Jude Thaddeus]

Of course not. He disagreed with your position, pointed out facts that disputed you, and suggested that he finds individually crafted letters more persuasive than cut and past form letters.

In sum, he gave you several pointers that you can use in the future to make your position and letters more effective.

That definitely makes him a dick head.

FYI...NONE of my letters, emails, or correspondence are "cut and paste". I write every letter myself, without my mommy's help. Ain't I special?

 

[design]

From the inside...

Thank you for the letter.

FYI...NONE of my letters, emails, or correspondence are "cut and paste". I write every letter myself, without my mommy's help. Ain't I special?

Nice.

When did firearm owners get demoted to 2nd class citizens? Where was I when this happened?

The citizens who work, and took time off of work to go to the hearing supported firearm owners. The citizens who work for the state or some other public entity, who were at that hearing while on the clock implied firearms are evil and the sky would fall if these bills were passed. No wonder so many showed up.
No disrespect to the public employees. These hearings should be at night when all can come without having to take time off of work.

.-Design

 

[enbloc]

FYI...NONE of my letters, emails, or correspondence are "cut and paste". I write every letter myself, without my mommy's help. Ain't I special?

Hoyt,
I personally liked your letter... it made me hot.
I can never bang out anything that sounds that good AND succinct.
That's why you got non-boiler plate responses.
Because you hit them where it hurts. They HAD to reply.
~Matt

 

[enbloc]

Design, Please Publish those "government agencies" that testified against these bills. Sorry folks but these idiots have no respect for us, we that ultimately pay thier salary, We need to treat them and those under them with the same level of respect, NONE!! Screw them, they started this. You either have the balls or you don't. If you are squimish about pissing off your servants then you deserve what you get.

Time to "Occupy" .gov (Open Carry, of course)
~Matt

 

[design]

DOS...

Dept of Safety
F&G
USNH campus security
various community colleges.

BTW, all these folks were at the hearing, earning salaries paid for by the taxpayers, while you guys were out working and paying for them to be there.

Design

PS. And those of you sending money to the NRA for these life memberships. Please send me a PM for the inside story.

Design, Please Publish those "government agencies" that testified against these bills. Sorry folks but these idiots have no respect for us, we that ultimately pay thier salary, We need to treat them and those under them with the same level of respect, NONE!! Screw them, they started this. You either have the balls or you don't. If you are squimish about pissing off your servants then you deserve what you get.

 

[Coyote33]

The critiques I can take. It's the overall attitude and contempt that drips from his response that i do not like. If you had read my email I sent to them, he would have seen where I got the data; the FBI. Thanks for the reply though. It really helped clarify things for me.

Read this article:
Why Did it Have to be ... Guns?

 

[Jude Thaddeus]

Read this article:
Why Did it Have to be ... Guns?

I have read that in the past. Everything he states is 100% true. Unfortunately, not everyone votes with their mind but with what popular culture wants them to. There is a good reason why they call TV the "boob tube". I'm starting to realize that just like the US, New Hampshire is on the edge of the cliff, about to fall into the sea of socialism.

 

[NHAtHeart]

Mr. Houde,

I am writing with regards to 3 house bills that have gone through the judiciary committee or are still in committee.

First, HB194, this bill would make it legal for a person to have a loaded long arm, cross bow or shotgun in a vehicle when on private property. Either their own property or a property where the person has written permission to access. My question is how does sending this law to interim study protect the rights of NH citizens, which is if I'm not mistaken what you were elected to do. This law would effectively limit law enforcements ability to write tickets or arrest people for leaning a firearm against their vehicle or keeping a loaded firearm in the vehicle when they come out of the woods for lunch.

From what I understand the testimony against this bill at the hearing was provided mostly by employees of the State of NH. Such as Fish and Game, and State Police. While these individuals are NH citizens and have a right to their opinion, there should be no state entity lobbying for or against a law that affects the citizens of this state in an official capacity. In short, if the citizens of NH wanted to make it legal to drive 100mph on back roads the state police should have no option but to allow it as they are servants of the public.

I strongly encourage you to reconsider this bill as an important piece of legislation that protects the citizens of NH on their own property and other private property.

Second, HB334, this bill would provide the NH Government complete control within the state of regulating firearms, knives and similar equipment. I would like to know how this bill would negatively influence the state of NH should it get passed? This is not a matter a town should be controlling, if left to the towns you could end up breaking a different law in every town you drive through. This would create a tremendous burden on the courts and the appears process were towns to start deciding what firearms equipments should and should not be allowed within their town limits.

Third, HB536, this bill would follow on what many other states have already done with great success. Allowing all individuals to carry a firearm as they see fit, whether it is concealed or open should be considered a right granted by the U.S. Constitution 2nd Amendment. While I personally believe this right should be protected at the federal level as the constitution states quite clearly "shall not be infringed". The least that can be done is to protect it at the state level until the federal government is able to properly define this right in the appeals courts.

Any objection by CoP association or the State Troopers is unfounded, the idea that this law would allow criminals to get away with carrying a gun is incorrect. A criminal can carry a gun one of two ways, either they have never previously committed a crime and would be allowed to carry a firearm whether this bill were passed or not, or secondly they would carry after having a previous violation which would remain illegal after this bill is passed.

This means passing this bill would only allow law abiding citizens to freely exercise a right granted to them by the U.S. constitution without having to worry about keeping and maintaining a permit with the State of NH. I do not see a downside for the people of NH in passing this bill.

I hope this letter finds you well and I hope you will reconsidering shelving the first two bills and will put the third to a vote in front of the full senate.

Thank you for your time,

 

[NHAtHeart]

First reply:

Thank you for contacting me with your comments or concerns. Due to the amount of emails I am receiving now I am not able to respond to each one. I review all of my emails and will take your opinion into consideration when making decisions. If you are contacting me about something in particular to set up an appointment or to voice your opinion please feel free to call me at my office at 603-271-4151 to speak with Marie.



Sincerely,

Senator Jim Luther

District 12, NH State Senate

State House, Room 105-A

Concord, NH 0330-4951

603-271-2104

[email protected]

 

[soloman02]

Updates?