NH-Poll Question: Should Politicians and Activist groups oppose legislation that seeks to violate 4A, 5A and other rights?

Should Politicians and Activist groups oppose leg that violates 4A, 5A and besides 2A?

  • Yes, the constitution and Bill of Rights/NH Constitution must be defended as written

    Votes: 66 95.7%
  • No, politicians should be permitted to violate their oath at will

    Votes: 3 4.3%

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NH-Poll Question: Should Politicians and Activist groups oppose legislation that seeks to violate 4A, 5A and other rights?

Long and the short of it is that all of our rights are under attack and we see politicians and activist groups opposing bad gun bills but failing to oppose bills that violate 4A, 5A, due process and a raft of other procedural BS that comes around and is subsequently used to violate RKBA once these other violations are "normalized"

A perfect example of this is some of the red flag bills in the NH Senate and House currently.

Specifically SB677 and HB1660 both of which various groups are trying to enguage in mental gymnastics to show its not a gun bill (when it is) and is also chock full of due process, 4A/5A violations, private property violations and various violations of the NH constitution.

Should politicians and activist groups support/defend 4A,5A, Due Process and other constitutionally guaranteed rights and limitations of gov or not?
 

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Some republicans need to be reminded that they shouldnt behave/vote like democrats
 

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It's really a no brainer... you either abide by your solemn oath or you are labeled an oath breaker and run out of town (or worse). There is no grey area in the oath they swore to uphold.
 

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...activist groups opposing bad gun bills but failing to oppose bills that violate 4A, 5A, due process...

Should politicians and activist groups support/defend 4A,5A, Due Process and other constitutionally guaranteed rights and limitations of gov or not?
Pro-gun activist groups are effective because they are single-issue, if they muddy the waters with unrelated advocacy around 4th, 5th, etc that is a distraction from their mission.
 

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Pro-gun activist groups are effective because they are single-issue, if they muddy the waters with unrelated advocacy around 4th, 5th, etc that is a distraction from their mission.
Here's the quandry

By not opposing all sorts of other constitutional and due process violations we allow those precidents to be used against us down the road

Take for example...Ex Parte....from latin which means "From One Party".....ie to grant an order/decide a case without the defendent being provided an opportunity to respond.

At the federal level its a gross violation of 5A and 14A

In NH is violates similar NH Constitution statutes........Art 15 Right of the accused first and foremost as well as others.

By not opposing these and other constitutional/civil rights violations we permit these to be normalized and their use expanded....usually against RKBA most frequently

We end up in a classic ounce of prevention/pound of cure situation.......
 

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Who’s the three a**h***s??
A stupid poll deserves a stupid response. Do you really think ANY of the 3 really believe their response???? You remind me of the folks that shit their panties over Babylon Bee stories.
 

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This is certainly not a poll but a position statement masquerading as a poll - something this other side does as a matter of habit.
You are correct

Its a poll asking whether or not you support a position or oppose it

Its also a poll of a group of people who have largely a common interest (RKBA) and generally speaking but not universally are considered to associate as the "Base" of one party in particular

To BT74''s post, I wish it WERE a stupid poll but there's an element in NH that appears to be spinning up the proverbial "rancid sausage factory" to try to salvage some horribly written unconstitutional legislatiion that will do great harm to constitutionally protected rights.

A number of groups/individuals have expressed "concerns" in different ways and apparently amendments are being worked on.....

Lets hope that the folks that are supposed to support and defend the constitution release the proposed amendments well in advance so people have an opportunity to review them/provide feedback and not drop them in an exec session or the morning of a hearing the way the dems do.

Calls to your reps/sens/gov here in NH reminding them that you expect them to defend ALL of your rights including but not limited to 2A. 4A, 5A, due process etc certainly would help send a message.
 
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A stupid poll deserves a stupid response. Do you really think ANY of the 3 really believe their response???? You remind me of the folks that shit their panties over Babylon Bee stories.
A bit harsh IMHO, I think the question has merit considering the poll question
 
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FWIW, I see this as a "push poll" and like all such, declined to answer.
Pro-gun activist groups are effective because they are single-issue, if they muddy the waters with unrelated advocacy around 4th, 5th, etc that is a distraction from their mission.
Here's the quandry

By not opposing all sorts of other constitutional and due process violations we allow those precidents to be used against us down the road
I agree, and feel 100% that politicians and individuals need to oppose these bills, especially the gross violations of 4A, 5A, 14A.

That said, when I give $$ to GONH, I expect 100% of that money to go towards their stated mission, not to other causes and lobbying against other bills that aren't immediately relevant to the cause. There are plenty of other groups to donate to to for their work in support of general constitutional/civil rights causes.
 
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FWIW, I see this as a "push poll" and like all such, declined to answer.

I agree, and feel 100% that politicians and individuals need to oppose these bills, especially the gross violations of 4A, 5A, 14A.

That said, when I give $$ to GONH, I expect 100% of that money to go towards their stated mission, not to other causes and lobbying against other bills that aren't immediately relevant to the cause. There are plenty of other groups to donate to to for their work in support of general constitutional/civil rights causes.
Without pointing fingers at any one or any group.

We've seen time and time again where 4/A, 5A, Due Process, Art 15 NH Constitution 14A, Ex Parte and other violations are used regularly in one set of circumstances to get the camels nose under the tent......then they turn around and use that precident to attack RKBA cuz "established law"

Then they tell us that because we didnt oppose that originally that its a precident or "established law" and its OK to use against RKBA

This is how they get us.

Gun groups dont need to fight every battle/expend resources on every issue regardless of gun bill/no gun bill

These bills are EASY to identify and all the gun groups are already tracking most of them.

All they have to do is submit testimony or state that they are opposed to the bill because it could be used to violate RKBA down the road...could be via email against the bad bills.....takes little effort/doesnt cost money

Ouce of prevention or metric ton and decades to apply a cure......isnt the choice obvious?
 

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As one of the Evil Three, I would love to see the other two out themselves, and explain their vote. Me, I thought the poll was silly....c'mon folks, who really believes that "politicians should be permitted to violate their oath at will" ???????? Geez, don't you folks know when someone is yanking your chain? New Poll: Should Gunz be outlawed?
 
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Bt74,
Unfortunately way too many politicians are willing to trample constitutional protections to further their own stay in office.
Bottom line is SB574, HB677, HB687, HB1509 and HB1660 all deserve to by killed as their are clear violations of the Consitution, but political hacks from both parties are sponsoring these bills.
 
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FWIW, I see this as a "push poll" and like all such, declined to answer.
It's more of a ridiculous one - like the ones both side send out with the box to check "enclosed is my contribution to cover the cost of this poll you probably won't even tabulate and means nothing even if you do".

A push poll is more like "Are you aware that candidate Phogarty masturbates in front of his female dog?".
 

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Bt74,
Unfortunately way too many politicians are willing to trample constitutional protections to further their own stay in office.
Bottom line is SB574, SB677, HB687, HB1509 and HB1660 all deserve to by killed as their are clear violations of the Consitution, but political hacks from both parties are sponsoring these bills.
Fixed the SB/HB typo on 677...and its an excuse to kick it BTT
 
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