NH Man charged after videotaping police

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now this is just ridiculous.. now granted the mans son is a complete dipshit on the fastrack to a federal prison, but what the police did to the father is just unfathomable. they overstepped their bounds and got caught with their hands in the cookie jar.. so instead of punishing the authority figure who violated his rights, they arrest the victim..

NASHUA – A city man is charged with violating state wiretap laws by recording a detective on his home security camera, while the detective was investigating the man’s sons.

Michael Gannon, 49, of 26 Morgan St., was arrested Tuesday night, after he brought a video to the police station to try to file a complaint against Detective Andrew Karlis, according to Gannon’s wife, Janet Gannon, and police reports filed in Nashua District Court.

Police instead arrested Gannon, charging him with two felony counts of violating state eavesdropping and wiretap law by using an electronic device to record Karlis without the detective’s consent.

http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060629/NEWS01/106290121
 
I'm no attorney but I don't see how this can stand up. Otherwise it would be pretty easy to be a crook caught on camera robbing a store or otherwise generally committing a crime and then get it thrown out because they didn't have your consent. I guess that is unless there is something at the door notifying you they are video taping.
 
Boiled down:

Beligerent man has dipshait kids. Man buys video equipment to record his property after numerous break-ins.

Man's sons may have committed crime so police barge into the home without a search warrant after being told to leave. Then they 'secure' the house until a warrant can be served and they can take the recording equipment. Huh. That sounds a bit fishy, as much as I like to support the cops, they appear to be really in the wrong here.

And is there really a law against recording the goings-on within your own house and property? And also, the article says that the homeowner posted signs about the recording. That seems like he let the cops know ahead of time!
 
There was a somewhat similar incident that occurred in MA a number of years ago...


http://www.boston.com/news/daily/13/police_recording.htm

SJC upholds conviction of man who secretly taped police

By Denise Lavoie, Associated Press, 07/13/01

BOSTON -- The state's highest court on Friday upheld the conviction of a man who secretly recorded police after they pulled him over.

The Supreme Judicial Court in a split decision ruled that Michael Hyde violated the state's electronic surveillance law, which prohibits secret recordings.

But in a strongly worded dissent, two justices said the wiretapping statute was not meant to prevent citizens from recording an encounter with police.

Hyde, a rock musician, said he recorded Abington police because he thought they unfairly targeted him for a traffic stop on Oct. 26, 1998, because of his long hair, leather jacket and his sports car.

Hyde recorded officers using an obscenity, asking him if he had any cocaine in his car, and threatening to send him to jail.

Several days later, he brought the tape to police headquarters to try to prove he was harassed. Instead, police charged Hyde with unlawful wiretapping.

A jury took less than an hour to convict Hyde of breaking the electronic surveillance law. He was sentenced to six months of probation.

At Hyde's trial, police testified they pulled him over because of the loud revving of his car's engine, a noisy muffler and a broken license plate light.

The SJC rejected Hyde's argument that the law was not applicable because the police were performing their public duties and therefore had no reasonable expectation of privacy.

"We conclude that the Legislature intended (the law) strictly to prohibit all secret recordings by members of the public, including recordings of police officers or other public officials interacting with members of the public, when made without their permission or knowledge," Justice John M. Greaney wrote in the majority opinion.

Chief Justice Margaret Marshall and Justice Robert Cordy used the famous videotape of the Rodney King police beating in Los Angeles as an example of a recording that would have been prohibited under Massachusetts law.

Marshall said the purpose of the law was not to shield public officials from exposure of their wrongdoings.

"In our Republic, the actions of public officials taken in their public capacities are not protected from exposure. Citizens have a particularly important role to play when the official conduct at issue is that of the police," Marshall wrote.

Marshall also said the ruling threatens the ability of the media to do their job.

Hyde's lawyer, Peter Onek, had argued that police officers, acting in their official capacity, are not afforded the same protections from electronic surveillance as private citizens.

"We are very disappointed," Onek said Friday. "We think the decision is wrong and that the dissenting decision is right on target."

Onek said Hyde may take the case to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Prosecutor Robert Thompson said the language of the law explicitly protects the privacy rights of all individuals, whether they are private citizens or police officers.

"How the dissent can suggest that police officers are no longer citizens is a little bit problematic to me," Thompson said.

David Yas, publisher of Massachusetts Lawyers Weekly, said the wiretapping law was established to protect citizens against government oppression.

"The preamble to the law said electronic devices are a danger to the privacy of all citizens. This case turns that notion on its head because here we had an individual trying to protect himself from a misdeed on the part of public officials and he's the one who ends up being arrested for it and prosecuted," Yas said.
 
Chief Justice Margaret Marshall and Justice Robert Cordy used the famous videotape of the Rodney King police beating in Los Angeles as an example of a recording that would have been prohibited under Massachusetts law.

Marshall said the purpose of the law was not to shield public officials from exposure of their wrongdoings.

This sounds like a contradictory statement. I have a problem with a law that prohibits public scrutiny/oversight of the police.

David Yas, publisher of Massachusetts Lawyers Weekly, said the wiretapping law was established to protect citizens against government oppression.

Yeah, right. Prohibiting videotaping police misconduct will protect from oppression just like banning firearms and knives will reduce crime. It WILL reduce REPORTS of misconduct, though
 
C-pher said:
Man, you're a cop... Don't you watch Cops? Everyone knows that all cop cars have cameras. It's on TV. Therefore everyone should know that you're being taped and recorded.

Jeeze, some people. [smile]

That's my point. If the cop-cams don't violate the law, how can Joe-citizen's?

Do any PD's in MA use cams? I don't remember having ever seen any.

RJ
 
what about poeple who video tape things like the Rodney King incident. The cops had no idea they were being taped. Why wasn't that guy prosecuted?
 
So, basically what they are saying is that its only illegal to record public officials?? Otherwise the sale of CCT security systems would have to be illegal as their very use would constitute the commision of a crime...
but they arent, so the only conclusion that you can come to is that you can use one, but only to record civilians.
which is wholly preposterous..
 
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daceman63 said:
what about poeple who video tape things like the Rodney King incident. The cops had no idea they were being taped. Why wasn't that guy prosecuted?

My guess... because there are separate privacy laws regarding sound recording and video recording (to the best of my knowledge there is no federal prohibition
or SCOTUS ruling regarding surreptitious video taping... only sound or voice recording).

State laws prohibiting surreptitious video recording are fairly new, due mostly to the perverts that were placing cameras in womens dressing rooms, bathrooms, etc.
 
I suppose if you are going to do that then you must reveal on a little tiny sticker on the window of your car that you are being videotaped. Or you could tell him.
 
daceman63 said:
what about poeple who video tape things like the Rodney King incident. The cops had no idea they were being taped. Why wasn't that guy prosecuted?

Based on comments, I imagine its a state by state law. Stupid.

RJ
 
Jaxon said:
That's my point. If the cop-cams don't violate the law, how can Joe-citizen's?

Do any PD's in MA use cams? I don't remember having ever seen any.

RJ

On the show, don't you have to give concent? And if you don't, you get the big thumb print on your face??

Still, I'm with you on this one...
 
patio said:
I'm no attorney but I don't see how this can stand up. Otherwise it would be pretty easy to be a crook caught on camera robbing a store or otherwise generally committing a crime and then get it thrown out because they didn't have your consent. I guess that is unless there is something at the door notifying you they are video taping.

Does being notified mean you "consent"?
 
C-pher said:
On the show, don't you have to give concent? And if you don't, you get the big thumb print on your face??

Still, I'm with you on this one...


Sure, to be shown on a TV show, but the act of the video itself would be illegal here in MA, I imagine. [thinking]

Complete nonsense.

RJ
 
LoginName said:
...At Hyde's trial, police testified they pulled him over because of the loud revving of his car's engine, a noisy muffler and a broken license plate light.

The SJC rejected Hyde's argument that the law was not applicable because the police were performing their public duties...

I remember when they USED TO pull over loud cars. With all these Maxwell House coffee can mufflers and tailpipes and all the hemi's with loud pipes, I don't think they do any more. Also, more loud bikes are VERY noticeable compared to even 10 years ago!
 
it's like on the phone....they tell you you are being recorded and if you still talk that's on you. You can always hang up. With a store you can always walk out. With an LEO who pulls you over he can always walk away and let you go....lol
 
daceman63 said:
it's like on the phone....they tell you you are being recorded and if you still talk that's on you. You can always hang up. With a store you can always walk out. With an LEO who pulls you over he can always walk away and let you go....lol

... or if they go to your house and see the "being recorded" sign, can leave.

[rolleyes] [laugh] [crying] ????
 
I'm not familiar with the NH law, but the MA law focuses solely on sound recording. You can video tape anybody, anytime as long as you have the mic turned off. I suspect that the video cameras on the cruisers are limited to video; a lot of the ones on "Cops" are that way. Just make sure you have a clear view of the person's face and hire a lip reader. (BTW, there was a sound track to the Rodney King video, which the media never played, probably because it backed the officers' version of the events.)

Ken
 
IMHO, Nashua's PD is one of the best departments I've ever had dealings with. Treat the officers like human beings and you'll be treated with respect.

That being said, if the property was posted in such a way that it was apparent that there was surveillance on and about the premesis, then the officers/detectives/whoever should have addressed that before entering.

Karlis went to the Gannons’ home at about 11:30 p.m. Friday night and again at about 7 p.m. Tuesday, police reported. Karlis was investigating the Gannons’ 15-year-old son in connection with a June 21 mugging outside Margaritas restaurant, for which two other teens already have been charged, according to police reports. The boy also is charged with possessing a handgun stolen three years ago in Vermont, and resisting detention, police said.

“There were six cops in my yard,” the first time police came, she said. “My husband was very upset. How many cops does it take to talk to a 15-year-old.”

I think that 6 officers were warranted in this situation if they have reason to suspect that an individual is armed and may become violent.

Police reported that Gannon “has a history of being verbally abusive” toward police, and that after his arrest, he remarked that the officers “were a bunch of corrupt (expletives).”

Please go back to Boston, NYC, Hartford, or whatever liberal hellhole you're from Mr. Gannon, and take your spawn with you. I am a Nashua resident and I do NOT appreciate you giving MY city the reputation as "The worst city in Massachusetss"
 
I thought that if you're in public, you have no expectation of privacy, and therefore you can be videotaped? I mean, if a tourist is taking a video of, say, the Old North Church, does he have to turn it off if he happens to see a cop?

That's ludicrous.
 
daceman63 said:
what about poeple who video tape things like the Rodney King incident. The cops had no idea they were being taped. Why wasn't that guy prosecuted?
Because it's tough to prosecute someone in CA for violating a MA state law (unless, of course, it's selling ammo).
 
Coyote33 said:
... or if they go to your house and see the "being recorded" sign, can leave.

[rolleyes] [laugh] [crying] ????

i know,i was gonna mention about how the father had the sign warning anyone coming onto the property that they're being recorded..

did anyone pick up if he recorded them inside or outside his home?
 
The saga continues, and it's getting interesting now. Too bad, it sounds like both sides in this are scumbags, and Nashua ends up the loser:

http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Officers+being+investigated+after+complaint&articleId=ef3d4b0d-300a-4a93-81cc-f706ae1056d3

Officers being investigated after complaint

By NICHOLAS COATES
Union Leader Correspondent
7 hours, 29 minutes ago

Nashua – Following a complaint that two officers were “rude and discourteous” to family members during a robbery investigation, two police detectives are the subjects of an internal investigation and an inquiry by the County Attorney’s Office, Nashua police Chief Timothy Hefferan said yesterday.

Police Capt. Scott Howe was put in charge of the internal investigation, and Assistant County Attorney Rusty Chadwick is the point for the external investigation, Hefferan said.

Hefferan confirmed that one of the detectives is Andrew Karlis, but Hefferan declined to identify the second.

The Gannon family, of 26 Morgan St., alleged the detectives’ behavior occurred during a two-week period and came to a head with a June 23 incident on the family’s front porch.

According to police affidavits filed in Nashua District Court in connection with the arrest of family patriarch Michael Gannon, Karlis and Detective Thomas Bergeron visited the home at 11:20 that night to question a member of the family, a 15-year-old boy, about the robbery the boy was allegedly involved in.

That night, Shawn Gannon, the family’s 18-year-old son, said his family watched and listened to the tape recording of the security system that monitors the front porch and back parking lot. He said they heard the detectives having a disconcerting conversation about how they would mistreat Michael Gannon.

"We heard them pull up, and when they (Karlis and Bergeron) came up to the porch, they were talking about how my dad was a disabled veteran. Then we heard how they wanted to make him more disabled," said Shawn Gannon. "Detective Karlis said that my dad has been giving him a hard time for the past couple of days (with the investigation). And the other detective standing next to him said, 'Well, why don’t you pull him out of the house and I’ll give you my Billy club.'"

Hefferan said he had not reviewed all of the initial evidence as of yesterday, but did say he believes the allegation lacks merit.

"I’ve had superiors review the tapes, and they have not reported back to me that there is anything like that on there," Hefferan said. "I think that something that significant of a statement—a threat of physical violence—would have been something noteworthy that would have brought to my attention."

Michael Gannon, 49, was arrested Tuesday night and charged with two felony counts of violating state wiretap laws for not making the police aware of the audio recording of police visits on June 23 and 26.

Gannon went to the police station that night to find out the status of his 15-year-old son, who had been arrested earlier in connection with a June 21 mugging outside of Margaritas restaurant in Nashua, according to police affidavits.

According to the Michael Gannon’s arresting documents, once in the lobby, Gannon became “agitated and somewhat aggressive” when speaking about how Karlis and fellow detectives treated family members during the investigation into their son.

Gannon then said he wanted to log a complaint about the incident and provided a videotape with the alleged rude and discourteous police behavior on it.

Sgt. Francis Bourgeois, the officer in charge that Tuesday night, Detective Jonathan Lehto and Karlis watched the tape, according to the affidavits.

After viewing the tape, Bourgeois made the determination that Gannon broke the law and had Detective Daniel Archambault arrest Gannon at the station, according to the affidavits.

Police then went to the Gannon house and seized all of the video and audio surveillance equipment the family had set up in their home, including cameras, microphones and videocassette recorders, according to affidavits.

The Gannon family has argued that the recording was legal and done to protect their house from the various crimes in the French Hill neighborhood of Nashua.

According to the state statute that the police allege Michael Gannon violated, the party being taped must be made aware of the recording and consent to the recording, Nashua attorney Eric Wilson said.

There are two signs posted on the front and side of the house a little larger than the size of a hand that warn people about the recording. “Warning: homeland security system. Audio and video in use,” the signs say.

“If, in fact, the man (Gannon) has posted on his property informing those who enter onto the property that they are being video- and audio-taped, that satisfies the two-party consent requirement in the state,” said Claire Ebel, executive director of the state American Civil Liberties Union.

Janet Gannon said that besides the signs, her husband told visiting detectives in the past, “the first thing he said, and he said it very clearly, ‘Gentlemen, there’s a camera right there.’”

"The question to ask is: 'How do you know in the affirmative that someone has seen those signs or seen those warnings,'" Hefferan asked. "To assume that someone has given consent because there are some stickers up… it’s a quantum leap to suggest they must have given consent because they must have seen the signs. If there’s a small sign somewhere. The detectives would have been focused on the family so much they would not have noticed that there were stickers or placards up."
 
tele_mark said:
"The question to ask is: 'How do you know in the affirmative that someone has seen those signs or seen those warnings,'" Hefferan asked. "To assume that someone has given consent because there are some stickers up… it’s a quantum leap to suggest they must have given consent because they must have seen the signs. If there’s a small sign somewhere. The detectives would have been focused on the family so much they would not have noticed that there were stickers or placards up."
1 - if they didn't see the signs, they're pretty poor excuses for cops. Aren't they supposed to be aware of their surroundings?

2 - Notice how he's already setting up for the defense? "small sign somewhere" implying that even though the sign was up, it somehow wasn't big enough to be seen. Hey, stupid - the sign was there. If they didn't see it, that's not the homeowner's fault. Seems to me that I've heard that comment more than once about small traffic signs, etc. The cops just happened to be the ones burned this time.

Y'know, the family might not be the cleanest ones out there, but it really sounds this time like the cops are on the wrong side and are just trying to cover their asses.
 
If they prevail with "the signs were too small", etc. argument, that will mean that most stores' surveillance systems will likewise be declared illegal.

It will be interesting to see how this particular case proceeds in "Live Free or Die" NH!
 
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