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NH Leg: 2 Gun Bill hearings Tues 3/26/2019

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by jpk, Mar 14, 2019.

  1. jpk

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    Folks 2 Gun Bills are being heard Tues 3/26/201 by the House Crim Just Cmte

    HB 564 Gun Free School Zone Bill was voted OTP with amendment wrt people dropping off/picking up students. Being heard in Crim Just Cmte
    03/26/2019 11:00 AM LOB Room 204


    HB 696 Red Flag bill packed into an elderly protection bill which was heard by another cmte on 1/30 where we only had a couple people attend......we need to get turn out for these bills this tues 03/26/2019 10:00 AM LOB Room 204


     
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    ^^ What JPK said. We need people at these hearings.
     
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    BTT....time to request PTO if you need it to attend hearings next tues 3/26
     
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    It's on my calendar.
     
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    :) are you and your calendar planning to attend?

    We need turnout :)
     
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    I'll talk to my boss...
     
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    I am not back to work yet, and there is nothing else on the calendar that day. So barring a family emergency, which seem to be common these days, I will be there.
     
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  9. jpk

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    Folks,

    2 hearings in Concord tomorrow....same room beginning at 10a........

    We need turnout for this

    Who's in?
     
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    Any results from yesterday?
     
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    They're on tues 3/26 as per my OP.....I must have had an extremely low blood caffeine level or there was a polar vortex when I mistakenly said in subsequent hearings were yesterday....
     
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    they were definitely yesterday, and today. From Terry Roy's FB update.

    Here's a record of the insanity. NH needs Sununu more than ever to hold the line o this bullshit.

    Legislative Update

    We had a nine hour day at the State House today and the promise of going from 9AM 10PM tomorrow in order to finish the hundreds of newly proposed Democratic sponsored bills before the Constitutionally imposed Thursday deadline. I’m going to keep this one short and just hit the worst of the worst from today:

    HB558, banning plastic straws. Passed. I voted no.

    During debate we discovered that this Democrat bill is actually worse than the California version which exempts fast food restaurants. NH Dems say no straws for anyone unless you specifically ask for one. This bill is pure virtue signaling and will have next to zero impact on the plastics killing whales that the sponsored claimed, since it is already illegal in the US to dump trash in rivers or oceans.

    HB560, banning plastic or paper bags. Passed. I voted no.

    The same folks who took our paper bags away (they made great book covers) and forced us to go to plastic for the environment, are back and now their taking those too. Well not taking them exactly, IF a store wants to provide them they have to charge you .10¢ per bag. Oh and any store (whether they use plastic bags or not) that is larger than 10k square feet must supply a plastics recycling bin at their store and apparently at their expense.

    CACR12, prohibiting an income tax. Killed. I voted yes.

    This was a Republican proposed Constitutional Amendment that would have prohibited this or any future legislature from instituting an income tax.Dems said not so fast..

    HB109, Background checks for everyone...literally everyone. Passed. I voted no.

    This bill, under the guise of closing the non-existent “gun show loophole” actually mandates federal background checks anytime anyone hands a gun to someone else. Be it a firearms instructor with a student, a salesperson at a gun store or between you and your husband/wife/significant other. It does this ironically through a portion of the bill that is “supposed” to actually exempt private sales and “transfers” from the background checks. The Devil, as usual, is in the details. Here, see if you can catch it:

    “159-E:3 Exception. This chapter shall not apply to a noncommercial, private sale, transfer, or exchange of a firearm between individuals, provided neither party to the transaction is a prohibited person. If the status of either party’s eligibility to own or possess a firearm cannot be ascertained, the transaction shall be completed through a licensed firearm dealer pursuant to RSA 159-E:2, II.”

    Did you see it? “If the status of either party’s eligibility to own or possess a firearm cannot be ascertained...”

    How can you with 100% certainty ascertain someone’s eligibility without running a background check? Answer: You can’t.

    For example I have friends I’ve known for years. I invite them over for a cookout and want to shoot some guns. I’ve known them for 20 years and know that they haven’t been criminals so no problem right? WRONG. If one of my friends, unbeknownst to me, pled guiltily to an OUI back in college, he is a “prohibited person” and if I hand him my gun I’m now a felon. Same goes for the gun store owner who is asked to see an unloaded firearm for a potential sale. Technically, they don’t even have to be a prohibited person because if I didn’t get the background check first, I couldn’t have possibly ascertained their status. This bill was bought and paid for by Michael Bloomberg. The vote passed on mostly party lines with five Democrats joining us in opposition.

    HB514 Establishing a 9-11 day waiting period to buy a gun. Passed
    I voted no.

    They call it a 7 day waiting period but weekends and holidays are exempted.

    During testimony the sponsor told us this period is so that there was time to complete the background check. You know, the Instant Background check? Yeah that one...it’s instant. Oh and apparently guns are the only way people intent on suicide will do it and making them wait 9-11 days will save their lives. No proof of this, just lots of the usual vague “studies show” and “data proves”. Except, well it doesn’t actually. More smoke and mirrors. They first cite a number of gun suicides before a waiting period and then cite the “overall suicide” numbers are down after the waiting period law. See what they did there? More Bloomberg, more California, more Massachusetts. Less New Hampshire.

    If you are against any or all of these bills please contact the Governor and ask him to veto. We have the numbers to uphold his veto and put a stop to the Californification of our great state.

    https://www.governor.nh.gov/contact/index.htm

    As always please look up the texts of these bills and form your own opinions. This update is my explanation of why I voted the way I did.
     
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    I hope someone is running lots of "Look what your Donks are doing!" radio ads!
     
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    The house was in session yesterday and there were house votes on bills that committes had previously heard/submitted reports on.

    There were no committee hearings of bills yesterday

    The house passed all sorts of shit yesterday.....UBR, Waiting period bill.....straw and plastic bag restrictions.......full retard
     
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    Just called Sununu's office, told them he needs to VETO all this nonsense. Plastic bag and straw bans? Waiting periods in NH? Background check to hand a gun to someone at the range? MA doesn't even have this BS. Is this bizarro world? insanity!
     
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    What he needs to do is make some political hay about the nutty shit that the house is passing.......but so far he's been silent about all of it when he could have had a press hearing about all of the nutty solutions in search of problems that dont exist

    Hell....the bloomberg/johns hopkins analysis of 25+ years of gun control in cali which included all of the shit the NH House passed yesterday and the conclusions that it had NO EFFECT on violence/crime would be sufficient for him to have a press announcement on.....

    Something as simple as "Look....we have analysis of 25 years + from Cali.....a much larger and more diverse state than NH and all of this gun control resulted in no impact on crime....so why would we violate peoples rights by passing this?"

    He could earn respect of base (votes) and demonstrate the foolish/punitive agenda of the dems in one fell swoop
     
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    10-4, my misunderstanding
     
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    NOT 1600 Pennsylvannia Avenue anymore!!!!
    So does all this garbage now go to the state senate, or has that already happened?
     
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    Folks 2 Gun Bills are being heard Tues 3/26/201 by the House Crim Just Cmte

    HB 564 Gun Free School Zone Bill was voted OTP with amendment wrt people dropping off/picking up students. Being heard in Crim Just Cmte
    03/26/2019 11:00 AM LOB Room 204


    HB 696 Red Flag bill packed into an elderly protection bill which was heard by another cmte on 1/30 where we only had a couple people attend......we need to get turn out for these bills this tues 03/26/2019 10:00 AM LOB Room 204
     
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    In.
     
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    I don't think the majority of gun owners in NH know what is going on in their statehouse. We had thousands of gun owners show up to protect our rights here in RI.

    Somehow the word has to be spread throughout NH. I think one of the biggest problems is the distance some people need to travel to be at the statehouse.

    This is very important to your freedom.
     
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    I agree, It seems like this doesn't have the amount of outrage it should have. Which leads me to believe many people have no idea whats going on. Even besides all the foolish gun control nonsense. Banning plastic straws? that's just flat out California level full retard stuff.

    I thought I read something saying they voted to ban wood stoves also . . crazytown.
     
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    The hearings on 2/13 were packed and flowed out into the hallways
    The red flag bill that was retained by crim just cmte was moved to the house floor where testimony went on for over 5 hrs to a full house crowd.......thats over 400 people
    This thread is about the two bills coming up tues 3/26

    Please restrict posts to those two bills
     
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    In NH, with the Democrats passing #TaxationIsTheft type income tax bills, we, the Gun owners, have managed kill both anti-gun Constitutional amendments, tabled one anti-gun school bill and retained 2 anti-gun bills (Gun range closure and the first red flag bill)

    While we have not killed everything we are not falling apart.

    Now back to the issue at hand, we need to step it up and kill these last two! EVERYONE NEEDS to plan to be there on the 26th

    PS. They even voted to ban plastic bags and straws...
     
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    House voted Peter Schmidt's "wood stove bill" (HB290) as ITL, so that's dead. Peter sponsored a mess'o' progressive wishlist bills, pretty much all have suffered that same fate.

    Goes to state senate. See here: How a Bill Becomes a Law | New Hampshire Almanac | NH.gov
     
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    Not from NH, but if you post all your social media info (Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, other?), will help get your message(s) out that way.
     
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    I think the Sam Adams quote is fitting. See below for a bill status and a great quote. Share on social media.
    Crossover bill status v2.png
     
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    Working on learning social media. In the mean time we are starting to share graphics and photos and alerts that people can forward.
     
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    Agreed. When I started a shooting club at Plymouth State, I specifically told the gun club we partnered with that I wanted the shooting club and the gun club to work together for the purpose of 2A activism to support good bills and fight bad bills. Their answer, on their first response to me, was that they do not do any activism because of how the club is structured for tax purposes. This is a big club too, bigger than Wallum Lake or Tiverton in RI in terms of size or membership. How can club members know about what to do and how to respond when their clubs refuse to be active?

    RI has the benefit of four gun groups working together that have experience with these types of hearings going back to at least 2011, 2012, if not going back decades with the leadership (Frank Saccocio, RI Rifle and Revolver). The big thing for RI I think now is that Federated (for non-RI'ers, the group that the vast majority of gun clubs work with/answer to) is fully on board. So the RI clubs are much better informed than the clubs in NH, in my experience.

    But, to add to that, NH shooters are less likely to be gun club members.

    From when I lived in NH, no, I don't think most gun owners know very much about what's going on.

    Just to give you NH guys context, the big RI hearings attract 3000 (last year) to 3500 (this year) pro-gun people and hearings go from 3pm to 12:30am and later. Your State House is smaller than RI's but you guys have a bigger shooting community and population. VT hearings attracted around 1000 people when they enacted their mag ban.
     

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