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Newton high school teacher put on leave after showing a student an image of a firearm

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by DispositionMatrix, Jun 24, 2019.

  1. Fixxah

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    There are still gun pics in history books, no? We are doomed.
     
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  2. Pete85

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    Man, if showing a picture of a gun is enough to get you "placed on administrative leave and not renewed for the next year", I'd hate to see what would happen to my Jr year history teacher who showed us Saving Private Ryan when we were studying D-Day. If a picture of a gun is enough to get fired, a video of many guns must warrant getting opened fire on...
     
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    Haven't looked at a high school history text book in a very long time but I'd venture a guess that there's no pictures of any guns......you're right......we are doomed until irresponsible, commie leftists are put in their place.
     
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  4. Rob Boudrie

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    This makes his introduction statement rather ironic:

    As to not getting crap for D-Day, military and other such exhibits involving guns - those were in the hands of government servants so they were OK. Just try doing a presentation showing ordinary Americans using guns for lawful recreational and self-defense purposes and see how it goes over.

    He apparently didn't get the memo - teachers are not allowed to have opinions of their own until they get professional status and then must still limit them lest they get removed for cause.
     
  5. citoriguy

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    I want to see the picture that the teacher showed the student. It was probably a picture of an AR or Glock.

    What a gross overreaction by the high school. Absolutely absurd.
     
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    The irony... Newton Schools called police, who walked into the school wearing real, live firearms for students to see...

    :)
     
  7. Len-2A Training

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    Regarding teachers unions protecting their own . . .
    - My Wife was a speech therapist in the Westerly RI public schools. She daily traveled to multiple schools. IRS mileage rates back then (very early 1970s) was 10 cents/mile. Teachers were only reimbursed 5 cents/mile, whereas the janitors were reimbursed 10 cents/mile. The union refused to bring this to the school committee, so my Wife did . . . on the basis of fairness where some school (and all town) employees were reimbursed one rate and teachers only reimbursed half that rate. She won her case and on the way out of the school committee meeting the union rep patted her on the back and congratulated her on a "nice job"! Useless!!!!
     
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    My wife is a high school teacher at a public school. Their union rep was retiring and they asked her to be the new rep. She said hell no and that if they forced her into the interim rep role, they'd need to start looking for a new science teacher too.
     
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    And people wonder why I don't want to send my kids to Schoolag.
     
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    hmmmmm.....their math teachers probably don't have interesting examples of "minute of angle" either ;)
     
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    since you teach history with pics of guns. why not these teachers sue when treated like that. can they sue?
     
  13. Picton

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    Reread my posts about tenure.

    No. If he’s in his first three years, nobody’s got grounds to do nothing to save his job.
     
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    Images of firearms are everywhere. Live news coverage of armed troopers investigating a fatal crash on the interstate, soldiers and Marines deployed overseas or ready to deploy, parades where veterans fire a rifle salute, winter Olympic biathlon competition and countless other examples of firearms being used for legitimate purposes. I believe that Newton's school administration members should think carefully before they act.
     
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  16. nordic alien

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    how about after tenure
     
  17. lowbuckbob

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    "Newton Police said they took a look at the incident, but that no charges will be filed."

    Charges for what???? The liberal world has gone absolutely insane.
     
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    Depends entirely on the contract he’s working under, how risk-averse his administration is, whether he informed parents, the age of the students, what his curriculum was, and just the dumb luck of having the wrong student in the room on the wrong day.

    In other words, none of us knows. At my school? In my class? I talk about guns all the damn time and I’m not worried even slightly. I’ve even got an AWB lesson I teach, pointing out how ludicrous that law was. Nobody says boo because I’m trusted and valued, not because I’ve got professional status.

    I student taught in Newton ages ago, meaning I’d never ever work there.
     
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    Everyone saying “there has to be more to this”. Sadly, no, no there doesn’t. This is academia. Poptarts, Hello Kitty bubble makers, 2A t-shirts, photos from youth Appleseed shoots, and the mere mention of guns has gotten kids (as young as pre-school/kindergarten suspended and expelled. So a teacher? Yep, can totally see it.
     
  21. Randy Lahey

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    I went to high school in Newton, they’re that rabidly anti for sure. And a chance to get a teacher fired?... not much more motivation needed for the liberal preppies.
     
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    I don't doubt that at all , but the courts even in this state might have a different view.
     
  23. Picton

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    Whut?

    Why should a court get involved when a school fires a teacher? As long as the school follows due process, what’s the issue?
     
  24. Rob Boudrie

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    Teachers have to be very careful not to cross professional boundaries in dealing with students. No matter what the subject, if I were a teacher, I would consider privately showing a student a cell phone photo about anything (yes, anything) relating to my private life to cross that boundary ... especially if I did not have tenure, professional status, or whatever the school system called it. It would rank up there with giving out my personal phone, email or establishing social network connections with students.

    Once a teacher crosses that line, it becomes very hard to argue "Yes, but....."

    Tenure comes from the term "ten year" .... teachers did well for themselves getting it whittled down to three.
     
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    All the references to Saving Private Ryan... anyone recall what Capt. Miller did for a living before the Army? And what it took to drag that out of him?
     
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    Oh. I meant to add: I’ve worked with around twelve other history teachers at this point in my career, at three different MA public high schools. Talked to a bunch more about stuff like this at conferences and whatnot.

    Only ONE other colleague of mine DOES NOT show the first 20 minutes of Saving Private Ryan. It’s a history teacher’s dream, even among the lefties. And I’ve had a lot of principals, as well; none have had a problem with that film.

    A letter home is always a good idea. A permission slip, too, for sophomores. But I’ve only ever had one kid opt out.
     
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    Sounds like we have the rest of the story...

    It was not a picture relating to education about war or muskets, or the military.

    The guy is toast.
     
  28. AHM

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    (My FIL would have been convulsing on the floor with PTSD.
    And he "only" was a Destroyer Escort sailor in the North Atlantic convoys -
    not even at D-Day).

    I was going to ask if the kid abhors Tupperware,
    but the news story is marginally ambiguous about which gun triggered him...
     
  29. Reptile

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    I'm certain it was the Glock.

    They are black, you know.

    And they are scary.

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    Underscores how badly written the original Globe story was
     
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