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New York Considers Weapon-Detecting Technology for Subway After Brooklyn Shooting

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From Today's WSJ.
Hmmm, what happens when the Supreme Court strikes down NYC's unconstitutional firearms permit law and city residents rush to apply for permits and arm themselves?
Typical liberal policy, blame an inanimate object instead of focusing on prosecuting and locking up the bad guys when they're not white supremacists.

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"New York City is considering the use of weapon-detection technology in its sprawling subway system in the wake of Tuesday’s mass shooting and a surge in violent crime this year, officials say.


"Mayor Eric Adams has said in interviews since the shooting in a Brooklyn subway train that cutting-edge screening technology could improve safety in the transit system without disrupting the flow of pedestrian traffic.

City officials said several types of screening technology would be considered, including one that the city has been using since late February in a pilot program at a public hospital.

“Mayor Adams has made clear that public safety is his top priority, and he is willing to test and analyze numerous forms of technology in a legal, responsible way to protect New Yorkers,” mayoral spokesman Fabien Levy said.

The mayor has pushed for public safety as he has eased Covid-19 restrictions and urged New Yorkers to return to their prepandemic routines and commutes. He has created antigun units to remove illegal weapons from city streets and increased officer patrols in trains and stations.

New York Police Department data show that crime has increased in the city and its transit system since Mr. Adams took office. Between Jan. 1 and April 10, the city recorded 617 major crimes in the subway, a 68% increase from the 367 crimes during the same period a year earlier, according to NYPD data. The number of crimes in the subway for 2022 so far is still lower than during the same periods in either 2019 or 2020, the NYPD data showed.

Several violent incidents in the subway have put New Yorkers on edge. In January, a homeless man fatally pushed a woman from a Times Square station platform into an oncoming train, police officials said.

On Tuesday, suspected gunman Frank James shot 10 people on a subway train in Brooklyn, police officials said, leading to a manhunt around the city and prompting the mayor to flood the transit system with additional officers. Some of the cameras in the subway station where the alleged shooter fled didn’t work, according to police officials. Police officers apprehended Mr. James in Manhattan’s East Village on Wednesday.

Peter George, the chief executive of Massachusetts-based Evolv Technology, said his company’s screening devices would have detected Mr. James’s alleged weapon if they had been installed in the subway system.

“If that perpetrator walked through our system, we would have identified he had a gun on him,” Mr. George said. “We were born to solve this exact problem.”

Evolv’s devices use sensors and artificial intelligence to detect guns, knives and other weapons on people as they pass through a screening tower. Unlike with a metal detector, people don’t need to stop to unload their pockets before going through the Evolv tower, according to the company. If the Evolv sensors detect a weapon, then a picture of the person and the location of the weapon are sent to a tablet used by a security officer.

Evolv’s screening systems are part of a city pilot program launched in late February at Jacobi Medical Center in the Bronx, according to city officials. In the coming weeks, the city will conduct an analysis of the program, the officials said.

Evolv’s devices use sensors and artificial intelligence to detect guns, knives and other weapons on people as they pass through a screening tower. Unlike with a metal detector, people don’t need to stop to unload their pockets before going through the Evolv tower, according to the company. If the Evolv sensors detect a weapon, then a picture of the person and the location of the weapon are sent to a tablet used by a security officer.

Evolv’s screening systems are part of a city pilot program launched in late February at Jacobi Medical Center in the Bronx, according to city officials. In the coming weeks, the city will conduct an analysis of the program, the officials said.

Mr. Adams might also face resistance from some city council members who have said they prefer policies focused on combating crime through community-led violence-intervention programs and on improving access to affordable housing and healthcare.

Implementing the technology would also require the approval of New York Gov. Kathy Hochul and the state-controlled Metropolitan Transportation Authority, which operates the subway system.

A spokeswoman for Ms. Hochul and a spokesman for the MTA didn’t respond to requests for comment. MTA Chairman and CEO Janno Lieber said in a television interview Wednesday that the agency was open to new technology.

The MTA has also worked to add security cameras through the subway.

Albert Fox Cahn, executive director of the Surveillance Technology Oversight Project, a New York-based civil-liberties group, warned that weapon-detection technology in the subway system could lead to unwarranted searches.

Independent studies of Evolv’s technology have shown that the screening towers can sometimes be unreliable and erroneously identify an eyeglass case for a weapon, Mr. Cahn said."

Mr. George said Evolv’s towers rarely misidentify a regular object for a weapon.

Write to James Fanelli at [email protected]
 
How about a YBM detector? Jack.

Is that like ABC gum????

I think they should make everyone strip naked at the top of the stairs. Only way to ensure no one gets shot. Sure, a pile of women will get groped and raped and junk. But those 2-3 people that won't get shot feel better.
 
Is that like ABC gum????

I think they should make everyone strip naked at the top of the stairs. Only way to ensure no one gets shot. Sure, a pile of women will get groped and raped and junk. But those 2-3 people that won't get shot feel better.
MTA creates TSA style screening to board the subway = think of how many patronage jobs that creates = how totally impractical it is = they do it anyway = Kafkaesque hilarity ensues
 
maybe eric adams and governor hochul should take a trip to mainland china to see how it's done?
 

Fourth Amendment​

Fourth Amendment Annotated


The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

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Let the good people defend themselves.
 

Fourth Amendment​

Fourth Amendment Annotated


The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

/thread

Let the good people defend themselves.
and where is your license and an approved permission to exercise that amendment? none to present? here you go - spread your legs, a cavity search is incoming.
 
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We don't need more gun laws or better technology. Just put criminals in jail and leave them the **** there!!! This guy like countless other perverts and murderers belongs in jail. The minimum sentence for any violent crime should be at least 50 years, with no parole and no time served. Just about every crime ever committed has been committed by repeat offenders.
 
Awesome, rely on more technology instead of common sense. Damn cameras didn’t even work, what makes them think some fancy newfangled technology will help th next time??
Dont worry some family members of the new york official will get a cushy contract , installed and forgotten or deemed to expensive a few years from now.
Maybe just maybe they should have a speedy trial for this guy and hang him come sunday in time square.
 
So just have a bunch of people walk through with something that would "appear" to be a weapon to a system, and then sue the snot out of the city for 4A violations.
 
Better idea: start issuing LTCs.

Why do terrorists drive SUVs over grandmas and kids in Christmas parades?

Why do school shooters shoot up schools?

Why do black supremacists shoot up subway cars?

A: they’re all easy targets are they’re afraid of getting shot. ARM THE PEOPLE and let them protect themselves. Clearly The Man can’t protect us.
 
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On a related note, is MBTA/T grounds 'gun free'? What do you do when you're randomly stopped by Boston's finest at the shake down tables and you gotta show that you're unarmed? If you're a valid LTC holder and packing, do they ban you from riding?
 
On a related note, is MBTA/T grounds 'gun free'? What do you do when you're randomly stopped by Boston's finest at the shake down tables and you gotta show that you're unarmed? If you're a valid LTC holder and packing, do they ban you from riding?
1) No.

2) I don't think they ban you from riding, Raise the issue in a polite non threatening way, and might be a good idea to set you phone to record just in case.
 

"Better investment in mental health services, housing, and social safety net programs can, in the long run, reduce violence in the streets…Progressives – especially those who want to defund the police – must recognize that a total pullback from policing won’t succeed either. Those most affected by gun violence want the criminal justice system to function for them. This means having police present who take their trauma seriously, try to crack down on gun trafficking, and help put murderers in prison."

Utopian blather by a very confused Guardian journalist, picked up by Real Clear Politics to balance a more conservative piece from NY Post.


"…our feckless representatives in Albany have “reformed” pretrial detention laws, preventing many criminals from being assigned bail or otherwise held in jail. As a result, habitual miscreants are permitted to run wild. Recent efforts to tighten the no-bail laws were cosmetic, and ensure that these predators will continue to harass and terrify New Yorkers. The Progs who run New York like to insist that their failures in crime, poverty, education, and housing policy were foisted on them. So instead of confronting real problems, they embrace absurd, pointless measures like mask mandates."

The journalist, Seth Barron, is a lifelong New Yorker and not about to give up his city without a fight (or scathing article, at least).
 
On a related note, is MBTA/T grounds 'gun free'? What do you do when you're randomly stopped by Boston's finest at the shake down tables and you gotta show that you're unarmed? If you're a valid LTC holder and packing, do they ban you from riding?

I haven’t been on the T in a long time. Two they have check points to search people? Im not submitting to that crap.
 
I haven’t been on the T in a long time. Two they have check points to search people? Im not submitting to that crap.
Rarely. They had security checkpoints after the bombing at a few stations. There have been a couple other occasions when they've had them again, at a couple stations.

I've walked past them without a problem. At the time, I was only carrying a knife, but still no hassle. It's all theater.
Is the subway a gun free zone or something?

I mean, for the three people in the city possessed of a CCW license...
No (with the possible exception of the Commons, so just don't enter/exit at Park if you're concerned)
 
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