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New Winter Road Pretreatment will destory your automobile!

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by TC McQuade, Feb 13, 2019.

  1. TC McQuade

    TC McQuade NES Member

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    Liquid Brine and Liquid Magnesium Chloride are great to treat the roads in winter time but it is also very destructive to the autos we drive.

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    Local mechanic talks about salt brine and what it could do to your car

    Parts of your car, however, at risk from rust and corrosion from salt include:
    - Exhaust system
    - Muffler
    - Coil springs
    - Subframe
    - Hydraulic break system
    - Paint on doors, bumpers, and fenders

    DMV.org recommends waxing your car before winter weather should strike. You should also avoid puddles and plow trucks. Puddles hold larger amounts of salt, and driving behind the plow means you will be the first to drive through a fresh layer of salt.

    You can pretreat your vehicle’s undercarriage as well. Collision shops offer an oil solution pre-treatment that can be sprayed on your vehicle’s exposed parts. This coating will help prevent salt and water from the road sticking to metal parts of your vehicle.

    DMV.org recommends washing your car after a snow storm as quickly as possible, and make sure you go through a drive-through car wash that has undercarriage clean.

    Why is Brine Bad for Your Car?
    What makes brine so desirable as an ice fighting road treatment also makes it harder on your car. Brine not only stays in places on roads, but when kicked up by driving over pavement treated with it, it stays on the underside of your car too. Crystals of salt bounce of roads, and they also bounce off your car. But brine coats every nook and cranny on your vehicle's underbody with two things that cause iron and steel to rust: water and salt. Either water or salt on their own are capable of causing rust of course, but the two combined are much more corrosive.

    Brine Also Often Contains Magnesium Chloride
    It is not just the fact that brine sticks well that makes it a good ice melter however. In many cases, brine is made with magnesium chloride. Magnesium chloride is a salt like the more familiar sodium chloride crystals, or rock salt, but it melts ice at lower temperatures. Unfortunately, if rock salt is bad for your car, then magnesium chloride is worse.

    Any salt is bad news for the iron and steel in your car when it mixes with water. That crust of salt your car develops in winter is just waiting to mix with water and eat away the steel. Fortunately, sodium chloride requires fairly high humidity levels to wick moisture from the air. In the cold dry air of winter, there isn't enough water in the air for the sodium chloride crystals to dissolve in. So they stay crystals and do relatively less harm to your vehicle.

    Magnesium chloride however mixes with water readily at low levels of humidity. Even in a dry time of year like winter, your vehicle's crust of magnesium chloride is busy sucking moisture out of the air and combining with it to form the water/salt combination that is so corrosive. And because it was spread as a brine to begin with, there is more of it, in more tight places on and under your car.
     
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    Welcome to New England [laugh]
     
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  4. RHJJ

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    Already being used in MA. Next time you see a sander that works on state roads, they will have tanks on them containing the chemicals.
     
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    I call BS on this article.
    Roads are salted with rock salt because they are either icy, will be icy or its snowing. The salt melts the snow / ice and we have brine.
    Weather put down as a brine, or put down as a solid and then turns to a brine solution, you end up with the sh1t all over your car.
     
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    Yeah its basically a clickbait article from a crap redirect site....

    The stuff that eats up the cars has been in use forever.... [laugh]

    ETA: It might as well read "water is wet, and don't swim with a hair dryer in the bathtub you could get electrocuted"

    -Mike
     
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    Is that being used all over New England or just in the PRM??
     
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    No BS, it is real.
     
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    Nope. Let's just say I am no longer counting on growing old with my current ride.
    Road treatment types
     
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    Next time you see a sander on a state road look for liquid tanks.
     
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    I know Quincy, Mansfield, Easton, and some other towns are pre-treating roads. They send out a truck prior that spreads out the brine. It leaves stripes on the blacktop. I don't remember seeing the roads having stripes on them a couple days before storms and I've lived in NE my whole life.

    I could see them being bad for cars, but so isn't every other chemical....try taking steel rims off after a winter, even before they used this stuff. Rust is a killer of cars, which is why the real treasure trove of antiques TX or AZ.
     
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    There is a point which is magnesium chloride is worse than sodium chloride (rock salt) for producing corrosion.

    Two more years and with any luck I'll be in South Carolina or Florida. Hasta la vista, baby.
     
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    Can I sue for destruction of my car?
     
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    They use the chemicals because salt is infective at 20 degrees or below. And it has not been used for a long time.
     
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    This.....and no Shxt. Been going on since I was alive......cheap frames or poor designs will not last up here.

    Hence why I never drive my truck in the winter except to plow my own driveway. Its an 05 and the frame looks like it came from North Carolina, still original paint on it and minor rust.
     
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    The ones I've seen in NH don't have liquid tanks...
     
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    Meanwhile my Ranger’s bed is literally being held together by the liner.
     
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    They have been using it for 3-4 years here on 91. The lines on the asphalt are a dead give away.

    Hell no. The state taketh not giveth.

    Bob
     
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    No, they are on General Motors payroll,
    And Ford's well they rust when the wind blows
     
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    Rams rust when the wind don't blow
     
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    Worcester has been using the brine for a few years. I think there’s even a sign on the tanker trucks that reads Stay Back Corrosive
     
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    They will be on used car lots in MA in a year with clean titles.
     
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    Anybody not oiling their cars and trucks is not making a smart choice.
    Undercarriage washing in the tunnel helps but remember they are recycling the water so there are still chemicals present.

    Hello Dropride
     
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    New Winter Road Pretreatment will destroy your automobile!

    I'm a firm believer in "An eye for an eye..."

    If they're going to destroy my car, I'm going to destroy their roads...



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    They were spraying 495 on Tuesday with some kind of liquid.
     
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    Isn't there an NES member who does the undercoating? Anyone chime in on whether it's held up to this mess over the years? Considering getting it done as I just got a 5 year note on the newly used vehicle.
     

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