New Online Firearm License Application System

They are going to kill my account and I'll re register, went back and forth for a while. Never got any emails from the system, I used my Yahoo email, going to use my Gmail next time.

Not sure if yahoo specific... Or just bad luck...
 
chris_1001 said:
They are going to kill my account and I'll re register, went back and forth for a while. Never got any emails from the system, I used my Yahoo email, going to use my Gmail next time.

Not sure if yahoo specific... Or just bad luck...
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They’re probably confusing you with the other Chris.
 
How soon ahead of current LTC expiration can this online form be filled out?

The police said no sooner than 6 months for an interview for the old paper system.

No such language in this new system.

@GOALJim
 
I can get my FID card renewed, so I can be a FID and LTC holder.

Yes officer, here's my FID card for my AR and pre ban mags. Also for my concealed pistol.

Just let him cook long enough to see him excited only to be handed my LTC a few moments later.

FID's should be called FUDD Cards from now on.

Updated my address from Apartment # to Unit #, just to make more work for them.
 
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Thunder Dump said:
Created my account at 8pm last night and applied for my renewal (that expires in Feb 2025). Got a call from the PD at 10am today saying I can stop down any time today and drop off the fee and sign the app and they'll process it.
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So you haven't applied until you go down and sign it. So much for it being proof you applied for a renewal.
 
42! said:
So you haven't applied until you go down and sign it. So much for it being proof you applied for a renewal.
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Notice he said process.
He applied and that's what the law says.
Don't go down and pay the man and the police can deny for non-payment at the 40 day mark.
752 (s) Notwithstanding any general or special law to the contrary, an expired license to carry firearms issued under section 131 or an expired firearm identification card issued under section 129B shall remain valid for all lawful purposes if: (i) the licensee or card holder applied for renewal before the license or card expiration date and shall remain valid until the application for renewal is approved or denied;
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pastera said:
Notice he said process.
He applied and that's what the law says.
Don't go down and pay the man and the police can deny for non-payment at the 40 day mark.
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Seriously, you're going to argue that signing an application isn't part of submitting the application.
 
pastera said:
Reason is not the same as purpose

Because it is now a shall issue and the only way to possess the answer "I want to possess and carry firearms" is a complete and sufficient answer.
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I thought suitability was still a thing?
 
42! said:
Seriously, you're going to argue that signing an application isn't part of submitting the application.
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Words have meaning
From the licensing portal:
Submit Firearms License Applications & Check Status
Residents and non-residents can apply for a new firearms license or renew an existing license. You can also check the status of your licenses and applications.
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Then
Your application will be processed by your local licensing authority and includes a fingerprint-based background check and a check with the Department of Mental Health. Processing time varies by licensing authority.
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Further at the first prompt in the "Start License Applicaton"

Start License Application​


Enter and review the information below and click "Save & Continue" to start your application. You must contact your local licensing authority directly regarding payment of the application fee.
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You can argue that you haven't actually applied until you go to the police station and sign but you have already met the application requirement and simply need to pay the fee.
If the department causes issues with this then go to the town clerk, pay there and supply the police a copy of that receipt.
There is zero requirement to wet sign a physical the electronically generated document - your password is your signature.

If you feel your local police department will force you to wait to sign and pay, or submit further documentation, then apply online and show up two business days later wearing a running body camera with a postal money order for the fee to document that you are complying with the required procedures.
 
KC3 said:
I thought suitability was still a thing?
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It is but the term "unsuitable" refers back to Section 121F where suitability is determined
(iii) the commissioner of mental health relative to whether the applicant is a suitable person to possess firearms; provided, however, that if the department of criminal justice information services provides a record of restraint and application for hospitalization pursuant to said section 12 of said chapter 123, the licensing authority shall make inquiries to the law enforcement agency that submitted the record regarding the circumstances of such restraint and application for hospitalization and shall consider such circumstances when determining the applicant’s suitability for a license, card or permit;
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688 (k) A licensing authority shall deny any application for a permit, card or license undersections 122, 122B, 122D, 129B, 131 or 131F, or renewal thereof, to a person the licensing authority determines to be unsuitable to hold a permit, card or license. A determination of unsuitability shall be based on reliable, articulable and credible information that the applicant has exhibited or engaged in behavior that suggests that, if issued a permit, card or license, the applicant may create a risk to public safety or a risk of danger to themselves or others.
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So the information that defines "suitability" is taken from mental health records and must be "reliable, articulable and credible"
A finding of unsuitability is still going to be hard to fight in Mass courts but given the particular wording here and Rahimi's findings that an irresponsible person is still part of "The People" and one must show violence to exclude themselves from The People.
 
Andykap said:
I notice that there is no option to apply or renew a machine gun license on the portal.
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Since current case law puts NFA items outside the protection of the 2nd then you don't have a right to possess them under Heller.
So the state can leave green cards up to each localities 100% discretion as to whether to issue or not.
 
42! said:
So you haven't applied until you go down and sign it. So much for it being proof you applied for a renewal.
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I signed and paid this morning. But they told me I was the first one in town to use it because they were surprised when they saw my renewal app in the system as "pending" after I submitted it the night before as the licensing officer didn't recall processing my application in person. So apparently once you hit submit it is recorded in the system as a pending renewal which I would argue is proof of application.
 
nin8888nin said:
My friend who renewed in person a few months ago in Quincy put down ALP and she said that was not acceptable anymore. I forgot what he eventually put down but he always had No Restrictions.
What would you write?
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I used ALP several times. If they had balked at that my backup reason was "to comply with the law."

Really, that's been my only reason for getting any license.
 
pastera said:
It is but the term "unsuitable" refers back to Section 121F where suitability is determined

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So the information that defines "suitability" is taken from mental health records and must be "reliable, articulable and credible"
A finding of unsuitability is still going to be hard to fight in Mass courts but given the particular wording here and Rahimi's findings that an irresponsible person is still part of "The People" and one must show violence to exclude themselves from The People.
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FWIW this was in the prior law as well. The only real change is now the police have direct access to sec 12 records. I don’t believe they can see your PCP medical records. “the commissioner of mental health relative to whether the applicant is a suitable person to possess firearms.”
 
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Thunder Dump said:
I signed and paid this morning. But they told me I was the first one in town to use it because they were surprised when they saw my renewal app in the system as "pending" after I submitted it the night before as the licensing officer didn't recall processing my application in person. So apparently once you hit submit it is recorded in the system as a pending renewal which I would argue is proof of application.
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I withdraw my previous objection.
first hand, real world info always wins
 
pastera said:
Notice he said process.
He applied and that's what the law says.
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My last renewal as a MA subject was 2017. I dropped off the application, they did not send a MIRCS receipt. 4 months later they called me to come up to the station and sign the application and they gave me my MIRCS receipt (dated 4 months prior, yes they violated the law but they don't care). So it was "in process" once they entered the data online shortly after I dropped off the application. So applying does not hinge on signing the MIRCS submittal application even prior to this new law.

Now as a NH resident, my PD refuses to accept payment until they hand me my P/R License (statute has legal teeth and requires this within 14 days).
 
Len-2A Training said:
My last renewal as a MA subject was 2017. I dropped off the application, they did not send a MIRCS receipt. 4 months later they called me to come up to the station and sign the application and they gave me my MIRCS receipt (dated 4 months prior, yes they violated the law but they don't care). So it was "in process" once they entered the data online shortly after I dropped off the application. So applying does not hinge on signing the MIRCS submittal application even prior to this new law.

Now as a NH resident, my PD refuses to accept payment until they hand me my P/R License (statute has legal teeth and requires this within 14 days).
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I was stating what the law says - the part of the law that the town violated was the 40 day rule not back dating a receipt to the day that you had applied.
This new system should give use better data on towns that simply don't care and take way too long to process applications or it will cause them to actually get things done quickly to avoid a lawsuit.

As far as legal ramifications for not meeting the 40 days - we will never see Mass government hold itself accountable for being inefficient or petty.
 
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