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http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/jul/11/only-nevada-aclu-opposes-gun-control/


Nevada ACLU supports an individual’s right to bear arms
State affiliate bucks national stance, supporting the right to bear arms

By David McGrath Schwartz

Published Fri, Jul 11, 2008 (2 a.m.)

Updated 1 hour, 12 minutes ago

Chris Morris

CARSON CITY — Everyone loves guns in Nevada. Ducks Unlimited, the National Rifle Association, Republicans, the American Civil Liberties Union, the ...

Wait. The ACLU?

The Nevada ACLU has declared its support for an individual’s right to bear arms, apparently making it the first state affiliate in the nation to buck the national organization’s position on the Second Amendment.

The state board of directors reached the decision this month after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the Second Amendment protects the rights of individuals to own handguns.

“The Nevada ACLU respects the individual’s right to bear arms subject to constitutionally permissible regulations,” a statement on the organization’s Web site said. “The ACLU of Nevada will defend this right as it defends other constitutional rights.”

“This was the consensus,” said Allen Lichtenstein, general counsel for ACLU of Nevada. “There really wasn’t a lot of dissent.”

But the state affiliate’s position puts it at odds with the national organization.

The New York City-based ACLU disagrees with the Supreme Court ruling, saying in a statement that it interprets the Second Amendment as a collective right to own guns and not an individual one.

“In our view, neither the possession of guns nor the regulation of guns raises a civil liberties issue,” according to the position on its Web page.

It’s that position that has long infuriated gun rights advocates.

Larry Rhodes, president of the Stillwater Firearms Association, a Northern Nevada advocacy group, said the state ACLU’s position “is a wonderful thing.”

“I’m thrilled the Nevada ACLU, which seems to support the other nine Bill of Rights, has decided to do this,” Rhodes said.

John Cahill, chairman of the Nevada Outdoor Democrats, said he had not been a member of the ACLU because of its position.

“I resented their position on the Second Amendment,” Cahill said. “I’d be happy to be a card-carrying member of the Nevada ACLU.”

The phrase “card-carrying member of the ACLU” has long been used by conservatives as a liberal curse, perhaps most famously against Democratic presidential candidate Michael Dukakis.

Gary Peck, executive director of the ACLU of Nevada, said the decision was not political, nor a slap at the national organization. He said the ACLU of Nevada often defends both conservative and liberal groups when, in its view, a constitutional right is being violated.

“This was a legal, constitutional decision for us,” he said. “Right now, it’s an issue percolating in the ACLU universe. It should be no surprise that an issue that has sparked a lot of issues and debate outside the ACLU has sparked debate inside the ACLU.”

The national ACLU, in a statement by a spokeswoman, said, “ACLU affiliates are free to take positions that differ from those of the national office.”

The spokeswoman said she was unaware of any other ACLU affiliate that had taken a differing position on the Second Amendment.

Peck said the state has a history of opposing government involvement in people’s lives.

“Nevada has a long, proud tradition of libertarian skepticism of government overreach,” Peck said. “An individual’s right to bear arms, not surprisingly, is in the Nevada constitution.”

Even when gun control was a major national issue during the 1990s, Nevada’s strong gun culture knew no party lines.

State Sen. John Lee, a North Las Vegas Democrat, has sponsored a number of bills on people’s right to carry guns.

He pointed to the gun park being built north of Las Vegas, the first phase of which will cost $64 million.

“We’re a hunting state,” Lee said. “Here in Nevada, we’re a real pragmatic group of Democrats.” (Democratic state Sen. Dina Titus, during her run for governor in 2006, liked to point out that she owned a gun.)

Attempts to find a Nevada group or affiliate in favor of stricter gun control were unsuccessful.

Bob Fulkerson, the executive director of the Progressive Leadership Alliance of Nevada, said he did not know of any such organizations in the state.

The gun control issue “has never really come up,” he said. “It’s ironic because we are one of the leaders in handgun-related deaths.”

Ladd Everitt, spokesman for the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, said he recognizes different parts of cultures have different experiences with guns.

“Certain areas of the country have very strong traditions and take great pride in them,” he said. “I think the real shame is we could have better firearm laws without preventing law-abiding citizens from owning guns.”

Peck said he anticipates Nevadans will come to his group to protect their gun rights.

“I have no doubt people will be making inquiries on their rights,” he said. “I have no doubt we’ll be stepping to the plate on Second Amendment rights, if they come under assault by governments. In this state, of course, I don’t see any big rush by lawmakers.”

(Editor's Note: This story has been corrected. The original version had a headline that incorrectly stated the organization’s position on gun control. The ACLU of Nevada supports gun control within constitutional limits. The state affiliate has recognized an individual’s right to bear arms, a break from the national organization’s position.)


Little pigs are flying and the devil is dusting off his ice skates!
 
First comment from the looney left and followed up swiftly by normal people.

Despicable.

The ACLU joins the NRA as the advocates of cowards, sneak thieves and psycopaths. I challenge Mr. Peck to identify where in the 2nd Amendment or any Federalist Paper is found the right to bear arms for "self protection."

You will soon be receiving the bloody shoes of the victims from across the nation.

The illegal guns that flood Cleveland and Detroit and Chicago come from your redneck gun shows and gun shops. I understand now why Nevadans need 8 or 10 guns: people this offensively stupid must have thousands of enemies. Add to that throng the families of the kids that get killed every day just because you need those pistols to feel like men. You're pathetic weaklings.

It's sad that when it comes to guns, what happens in Vegas bleeds throughout the rest of the country.

So much anger and so little fact![rofl]
 
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Don't forget to hit the poll running along with that article. Currently 90+ percent in favor of the Nevada ACLU's position.
 
So ONE chapter of the ACLU has the intelligence and integrity to reject the national organization's disingenous analysis.

What about the other 49 states?
 
So ONE chapter of the ACLU has the intelligence and integrity to reject the national organization's disingenous analysis.

What about the other 49 states?

I'm waiting to see if the TX chapter follows suit. They have taken on 1st A cases involving people promoting their 2nd A rights.

'Far as I am concerned, the rest can go pound sand... as soon as they pull their heads out of it.
 
What's this all about?

Not only that but:

State Sen. John Lee, a North Las Vegas Democrat, has sponsored a number of bills on people’s right to carry guns.

Wow -- Democrats aren't necessarily evil in other states the way they alost invariably are in Massachusetts. It's like there's a whole 'nother country out there!
 
Wow -- Democrats aren't necessarily evil in other states the way they alost invariably are in Massachusetts. It's like there's a whole 'nother country out there!
Ohio's Democrat Governor Ted Strickland is one of the most solid pro-gun politicians in the country. He heartily endorsed and signed the Ohio Castle Doctrine law, which also included various improvements to CCW in general.

He is A rated by the NRA, and that endorsement does not come lightly. I did not vote for him, but I have been very pleasantly surprised.

In contrast his predecessor, Republican Bob Taft, allowed the Highway Patrol bosses to push several poison pills into our original CCW law that only now are being exorcised. He also vetoed House Bill 184 which removed the highly hated "in plain sight" requirement for carrying a loaded handgun in your car and also gave the state firearm legislation pre-emption. Luckily the General Assembly showed him what a limp dick he was by overriding him. The first time the GA has overriden the Governor in decades.

Bob Taft and his Highway Patrol bootlicker Paul McClellan are a pair of cocksuckers that are not missed by Ohio gun owners.
 
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Ohio's Democrat Governor Ted Strickland is one of the most solid pro-gun politicians in the country. He heartily endorsed and signed the Ohio Castle Doctrine law, which also included various improvements to CCW in general.

He is A rated by the NRA, and that endorsement does not come lightly. I did not vote for him, but I have been very pleasantly surprised.

In contrast his predecessor, Republican Bob Taft, allowed the Highway Patrol bosses to push several poison pills into our original CCW law that only now are being exorcised. He also vetoed House Bill 184 which removed the highly hated "in plain sight" requirement for carrying a loaded handgun in your car and also gave the state firearm legislation pre-emption. Luckily the General Assembly showed him what a limp dick he was by overriding him. The first time the GA has overriden the Governor in decades.

Bob Taft and his Highway Patrol bootlicker Paul McClellan are a pair of cocksuckers that are not missed by Ohio gun owners.


I've only been out of a free state for 5 years living here and I'm already thinking like it's like this here, everywhere.[hmmm]
 
I predict the vast majority of ACLU, state by state will eventually follow suit with Nevada if the responses I saw when they stated their position were accurate. The ACLU has a major problem on it's hands convincing the majority of it's members that they stand up for all civil rights and not political moon battery. Within the next year there will be some back peddling unless thay are as arrogant as they seem! In which case we probably all hope they become defunct!
 
Argumentum ad Hominem (abusive and circumstantial): the fallacy of attacking the character or circumstances of an individual who is advancing a statement or an argument instead of trying to disprove the truth of the statement or the soundness of the argument. Often the argument is characterized simply as a personal attack.

I do like that comment and it's particularly true when your dealing with the gun grabbers! [grin]
 
ACLU Nevada finally got back to me. Here is what they wrote:
Thank you for contacting the American Civil Liberties Union of Nevada! We apologize for the delay in responding to your email. We sincerely appreciate your interest in making a donation to our affiliate because of our position on the Second Amendment. You are welcome to donate to any ACLU affiliate in the country, although we strongly encourage you to donate to the local ACLU affiliate in your home state. Support from members and donors nationwide makes the American Civil Liberties Union a strong force for defending and protecting civil liberties in the United States.



If you decide to support the Nevada affiliate, we encourage you to provide general support, as this gives us the flexibility to meet the most pressing challenges to civil liberties. Your tax-deductible donation should be made payable to ACLU of Nevada Foundation, Inc., and should be mailed to:



ACLU of Nevada

732 South Sixth Street, Suite 200A

Las Vegas, NV 89101.



Thank you again for your interest in supporting the American Civil Liberties Union!



ACLU of Nevada

www.aclunv.org
 
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