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Just because the government abuses its power doesn't have any bearing on behavior in polite company.

In fact, given that there are recognized religions which dictate dress that includes weapons, the state's policy is in violation of 1A. That it also violates my evidently unrecognized religion of worshiping pizza, civil rights, equality under the law, etc... as rights granted by a vaguely defined creator doesn't matter since we don't have to get into whether my "religion" is sufficient since there already is an example.

Their policy also violates 4A for lack of PC and/or exigence. SCOTUS is very wrong on this and some states agree. This whole concept of "places of nuisance" is a violation of due process as it was intended.
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I can't believe that this thread is still active (or that I'm still reading it [thinking]).

All of the talk about concealed is concealed and you're a pussy if you don't carry, ditch your friends, etc. is pretty much off base. Either you respect the homeowners wishes, or you don't. Everyone has the right to run their house the way that they like. If respecting that puts your panties in a twist, don't go.

And all of the internet commandos talking about making a scene, or going out of their way to make a point. I'm glad your not my friend. I have friends and acquaintances with a wide range of beliefs and customs. I respect them because they are my friends, not because I necessarily agree with them.

Hell, if it bothers you that much. Invite them to your next cookout and make sure the invitation says 'gun required'. [smile]
 
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I can't believe that this thread is still active (or that I'm still reading it [thinking]).

All of the talk about concealed is concealed and you're a pussy if you don't carry, ditch your friends, etc. is pretty much off base. Either you respect the homeowners wishes, or you don't. Everyone has the right to run their house the way that they like. If respecting that puts your panties in a twist, don't go.

And all of the internet commandos talking about making a scene, or going out of their way to make a point. I'm glad your not my friend. I have friends and acquaintances with a wide range of beliefs and customs. I respect them because they are my friends, not because I necessarily agree with them.

Hell, if it bothers you that much. Invite them to your next cookout and make sure the invitation says 'gun required'. [smile]
yeah respect your friends that want to restrict your civil liberties, that will get everyone nowhere, your friends will be as ignorant as they were before and you will have your rights restricted willingly by someone you consider a friend

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Ha ha... well, being that my sister is eligible for Social Security...

I don't know why you're limiting the discussion to concealed carry. I'd guess that most of the folks here saying/thinking they'd "go anyway, screw'em" would say if they wanted to open carry they could/should/would do that too.
I'm also eligible for Social Security, so what's your point?

I wouldn't open carry anywhere in public even if was accepted practice. I had to do so for 17 years as part of my uniform and was always super-aware of who might be around me, so no I'm not comfortable with the idea for my own reasons and need to prove nothing to anyone else.


Old ignorance or new ignorance is still ignorant. I have no doubt that many people concealed who weren't "bad guys" and you never heard anything about it.
Exactly and even today when I'm around NES'rs or LEOs that I know, I neither know or care if they are carrying, how they do it or what they are carrying. It's just none of my business and I have no need to have that conversation.


To those who would sneak their gun in concealed, my mother used to say: "Character is what you do when you think nobody is looking." OK, she wasn't original. But the point is that YOU will know what you did, that you violated your friend's wishes. What does that say about you?
I don't see that what I'm wearing under my clothes is "sneaking" anything. Whether it's a gun, underwear, etc. I don't ask my friends or relatives what their wishes are wrt what I'm wearing or what I carry in my pocket . . . this is no different.


+1 = Concealed means that no one should know unless you tell them.

I have some friends that know I carry frequently, but not all the time. The subject has come up (are you carrying now?) before and I've asked them... Well, have a look and see if you can tell. I can't tell you how many times they have mistaken the bump in my shirt, created by my iPhone case, for my concealed piece. To date, no one has accurately determined if I am carrying, or where the pistol is located on my person.
Agreed, and as I've stated above I've been around numerous folks from NES (where the subject wouldn't be off limits) and never asked, never been asked and don't bother to check for lumps and bumps!
 
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I would leave it locked in the car and go to the cookout. It is your wife's best friend. I am sure the relationship means alot to her and so I wouldn't carry for a couple hours.
^ This

You already committed, so bagging out would just alienate people (like your wife), instead of letting you make a coherent, rational point.

I really try to avoid lying (ie. about CC, "suddenly got plans") because you are what you say. It's their house, their rules.

If this was my wife and wasn't a party in Dorchester at night, I'd stash the gun in the car (she'd notice) then have fun. My wife lights up a room...I love going to parties with her and it's always worth spending 2 unarmed hours at a BBQ in some nameless suburb.

Be sure to invite them to your "Gun Optional BBQ" and see if they show the same respect as you did by attending.

My ultimate win would be her friends wanting to go shooting with us.
 
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the way it works with me is that if you don't want me carrying? too bad, i'm going to do it, and you won't know it.
But it is THEIR home. They have the right to make the rules there. Period. Full stop.

We are supposed to be a pro-property rights group. It isn't your house!

Doesn't matter what they demand, you either comply or don't go.

If you think they might not like it and just don't bring it up, whatever. They haven't asked, no need to volunteer ANY information that isn't need to know (e.g. I have the flu...do you still want me to come? Is important info to give a host).
 

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I'm also eligible for Social Security, so what's your point?
Well, OK, if your ideal is to frisk my big sister you have my blessing. :D

I don't see that what I'm wearing under my clothes is "sneaking" anything. Whether it's a gun, underwear, etc. I on't ask my friends or relatives what their wishes are wrt what I'm wearing or what I carry in my pocket . . . this is no different.
Is it just the word "sneaking"? Would you prefer "dishonoring your friend's request"?
The question was about having already been asked not to carry so in MY opinion, if you do, that's kind of sneaky, or disrespectful or whatever other word you'd prefer.


But it is THEIR home. They have the right to make the rules there. Period. Full stop.

We are supposed to be a pro-property rights group. It isn't your house!

Doesn't matter what they demand, you either comply or don't go.
Pretty much sums me up.
At this point I think the dead horse is starting to complain, so I'd better wrap it up before I'm asked to stop carrying my opinion in this house. :D :D :D
 
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really the problem stems from more than your immediate family knowing when and where you carry
 

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Well, OK, if your ideal is to frisk my big sister you have my blessing. :D

Is it just the word "sneaking"? Would you prefer "dishonoring your friend's request"?
The question was about having already been asked not to carry so in MY opinion, if you do, that's kind of sneaky, or disrespectful or whatever other word you'd prefer.

Pretty much sums me up.
At this point I think the dead horse is starting to complain, so I'd better wrap it up before I'm asked to stop carrying my opinion in this house. :D :D :D
No, I said only pull the frisk response IFF the person is cute (and you want to go there). [laugh]

If they already told you not to carry the problem is that they already knew that you do (mistake #1) . . . see Mattyw's response below.

In this case, I would opt out of going and tell them why . . . and be done with it!


really the problem stems from more than your immediate family knowing when and where you carry
Yup. "Don't ask, don't tell" applies to this topic as well.
 

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I was just driving around and this thread popped into my head. For some reason, it really started bugging the crap out of me. "For the children" Proper response should've been "The reason I carry is for the children".
 
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Personally I can't stand people like that but you know duty drag with the wife's friend's. Just one thing to say concealed means concealed and no one needs to know to me my wife and family are the most important to me and its my duty to care for them.
 
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A word to Quiet (who doesn't exactly live up to his screen name) Many here feel that 2A rights trump all other rights including property rights. Nicole is correct philosophically and many have expoused personal freedom and property ownership as being fundamental. Well, we are beyond that now. As gun owners we are tired of being demonized, vilified, ostracized and being made to feel six degrees lower than a child molester.

Now Quiet comes along the quintessential noob, genteel, reasoned, well brought up, logical, the new voice of tolerance et al. He is going to show us the error of our ways. We must be considerate, we must be reasonable, we must be accommodating, character does count (especially when no one is looking)...well Bucko maybe that's where I was once in 2007 or 2009 or maybe 1997 (lay off the SS S**t references too I'm eligible but I still am employed and do not collect) but you see we are engaged in cultural warfare and we are losing. It's not about engaging in meaningful dialog, or compromising, or sacrificing the needs of the few for the good of the many. It's them against us on every level.

In the real world, politics is the achievement of the possible and compromise, I realize that, but how much more can we compromise?

Gun ownership transcends ideology (in one sense I could give a rat's ass what a bunch of dead white guys said about it over 200 years ago, as an inalienable right it has been there since the inception of humanity however that was accomplished) it is a lifestyle choice. Guns are a part of my life and I choose to carry. In a nation that has been taught to embrace diversity, why is not my culture ie gun culture respected and tolerated? My cultural norm is even enumerated in the Bill of Rights and affirmed by the Supreme Court, yet the OP is asked to not express his
cultural norm by a friend of his wife's? To me this smacks of grave cultural insensitivity and bigotry. What if the friend had an aversion to daggers? If I were of the Sikh religion I would be required to carry one on my person as a tenet of my religion. So it would be okay for her to say you may come, just don't bring your goddam knife? Of course, her house, her rules, her bigotry. If I were Jewish what if she said, you might offend some of my gentile friends, I know you are observant but please leave the yarmulke at home. What would your reaction be? Please don't wear your Han bok, I know you are Korean but you will look so out of place with the rest of the ladies. Culturally insensitive, right? Her party, her rules, so go ahead and be an Uncle Tom and don't carry concealed for Missy cuz she invited you up to the Big House, Mistah Quiet, cuz we know that character counts. Yep, your mom got it right but you didn't. I will live by my cultural norms and higher belief in my inalienable right to keep and bear arms..."from my cold dead hands"

We have reached that point and we are moving on I think to a different level. Think the colonies in the 1760's or the United States in the 1850's. We may indeed wind up the big socialist welfare state in the end, a likely possibility, but I suspect the possibility of bloodshed in the streets a likelihood and a Great Implosion brought about by economic disaster a distinct possibility, if that were to happen, Quiet, it would be interesting to see where all your goodwill, civility and reason will get you then. If you cannot see or comprehend that this is a battle for our worldview and what it means to keep and bear arms which to me is the ultimate expression of personal freedom because it guarantees all of my other freedoms can be exercised. It is my culture and possibly the closest thing to a religion or faith that I have, so don't come at me with your platitudes and your trying to be reasonable because we are beyond all that.




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