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I wonder... since everyone on the 2A side seems to ask for more mental health spending as some sort of magical solution - what will people ask for when the next shooting happens?Yeah, overall, I think getting the feds involved in anything involving mental health adjudication is probably a pretty hideous idea.
We have a mental health problem for sure. I haven't heard any ideas to deal with it that I would endorse. Freedom has a price, but it's worth it.Mental health sounds great until you think about how it will 100% for sure be abused and act as a system to DQ undesirable people.
If we could trust those with the keys to the power it'd be a non issue. But obviously they can't be trusted with it. So it's a bad thing at the end.
I do agree with that, at least violent crimes.They're going to include juvenile records in the background checks whereas currently, they're off-limits. I'm okay with that myself. If someone raped someone at 17 years old, that's not something that a blind eye should be turned to just because the assailant was under 18 at the time of the crime.
We have a mental health problem for sure. I haven't heard any ideas to deal with it that I would endorse. Freedom has a price, but it's worth it.
Juvenile records are already on the table for MA at least. I had to write a letter to my chief explaining a charge I had from 1985 when I was 14 years old. (It was also dismissed since I was not guilty, but the record never goes away.)
I’m not sure what the FBI looks at when the FFL calls in.
If you're gonna redefine 'adult' as 21 years old and only allow 21 year olds and older the right to bear arms, better apply it to everything. No more poaching high school juniors and seniors to enlist in the military. You lose the overwhelmingly democrat votes of the 18-20 year old first time voting crowd. Also, full ban on porn with actors under 21. Anyone who still has 'barely 18' material goes to the slammer for child porn possession.
So with red flag laws being law of the land, what protections are there for legal gun owners who have done nothing wrong but came across a rabid antigun SJW who wanted SWAT to show up and take away his collection by calling in an anon fake concerned report 'I overheard this guy said he would shoot up the mall and then blow his own brains out! Yes sir, he lives on xxxx street please do something officers!'
Then those residents had better be voting like it's not popular.This compromise would have the effect of normalizing more restrictive MA/NY/CA/MD style acquisition and possession guidelines. Which is not going to be popular in the places where I used to buy guns.
Hard-line NESer posts "what about teen rapists' Second Amendment rights?" in 3...2...1...They're going to include juvenile records in the background checks whereas currently, they're off-limits. I'm okay with that myself. If someone raped someone at 17 years old, that's not something that a blind eye should be turned to just because the assailant was under 18 at the time of the crime.
Don't be too sure about that.Not all of us here have just 3-5 years left to live. ...
How many of the Left would we say passes a Red Flag Law?How many of us would the Left say fails a Red Flag Law........
Is the defense counsel required to consult with the defendant in the parents' presence?Juveniles are powerless to make their own legal decisions. Think a 14 year old kid can tell the parents paying the bill "No, I do not accept the deal for a conviction with a suspended sentence, I want a full trial - pay that retainer now. An innocent juvenile, in practice, does not even have a choice about taking the deal / copping a plea.
You're not gonna think that once Soros DAs start brooming cases byA more reasoned approach would be to allow criminal records of juveniles whose cases were moved to adult court to have those records included, but not those handled by juvenile "closed to the public" proceedings.
If there's time to stage a confiscation "because dangerous",Problem is setting up a system which does not solve the fatal flaw of giving the judge the choice between posting his/her reputation at risk by denying an order vs. assuring they cannot ever be lambasted for not issuing an order for someone who goes on to do evil.
The mistake people make when trying to rationalize this insanity is to question how it is actually going to stop mass shootings. It’s not about that. The end goal is to ban all guns for the average citizen.This is true about Mass. When I applied for my LTC several years ago in my current town, I disclosed a minor in possession of alchohol charge I had from when I was 18. I probably wouldn't have prior because I had thought all these years that it had been expunged. What I was told at the court at the time was if I plead guilty and paid the fine the charge would be expunged in a year. But fast forward 30 years and I have a CORI check done as I had volunteered to assistant coach for my son's hockey team and that charge shows right up. So lesson learned, Mass courts lie to you and in Mass you are always guilty of something.
In general, I am ok with opening up the childhood records for under 18 applicants as long as there's some due process around it.
Absolutely, If you are going to push ability to own a firearm to 21 across the board then we need some discussion about what it means to be an adult in the US. You want minor aged women to be able to decide to get an abortion without parental knowledge or consent? Way more teens kill people in cars than with firearms, but you think it's ok for someone 18 or younger to drive an automobile? Then you say you want alcohol and firearms to be 21 because their brains aren't developed enough to be responsible before that? You can't have it both ways.
Depends on the juvenile record. A violent felony? Maybe. Something like shoplifting that just happened to be felony status because it was a certain price? Naw. Kids do stupid things and that shouldn’t make them prohibited persons for life.They're going to include juvenile records in the background checks whereas currently, they're off-limits. I'm okay with that myself. If someone raped someone at 17 years old, that's not something that a blind eye should be turned to just because the assailant was under 18 at the time of the crime.
New verb: "Corn-hole-yn": When a politician does exactly that to his/her constituents.I hope Cornyn gets primaried.
EDIT: Needed to correctly spell the spineless critter's name.
Nope.At this point are these folks even Republicans?
Exactly.That's why a lot of people don't seek help. They don't seek it because they can't be honest about what's going on. And if they are they are essentially sent to jail and in a lot of cases become quasi felons for the rest of there life. 2nd class citizens.
Easy solution - not applying juvenile record purging to cases moved to adult court.Hard-line NESer posts "what about teen rapists' Second Amendment rights?" in 3...2...1...
Does the judge advise the defendant as to the lifelong consequences of pleading guilty?Is the defense counsel required to consult with the defendant in the parents' presence?
Does the court ask the defendant to stand up and confirm the deal that
they've ostensibly agreed with?
The gun control crap only goes in one direction 99% of the time. When was the last time anything pro gun happened on the federal level? Heller?
Yup, it's about taking territory. Handguns proved to be a hard target because commoners identified with self defense, but EBRs and magazines were softer target, so go after them now. Notice that EVERY compromise comes with nothing for our side - they are not compromises but either surrenders or victories for the other side depending on the circumstances.The mistake people make when trying to rationalize this insanity is to question how it is actually going to stop mass shootings. It’s not about that. The end goal is to ban all guns for the average citizen.
Also, if they manage to accomplish all of the above mentioned measures, it’s a HUGE win for them. ANY win no matter how small is huge for them because it’s one step closer to total disarmament.
Say they had only managed to ban those pink Rugers. Just pink Rugers and nothing else. Still a win. The money spent doesn’t matter because it’s not theirs. They also know there will be another mass shooting in the next couple of days and they can come back again.
If they manage to get some shitty law pushed through each time a kid gets shot, it’s a slow process, but each time they get closer to the goal.
With each win, we get more used to things being banned and we become less able to resist. It also continues to set a precedent that they can arbitrarily infringe on the 2A. It’s the long game and they will win it.
It’s not like these shit laws ever get repealed when the republicans hold the keys to the yard. The gun control crap only goes in one direction 99% of the time. When was the last time anything pro gun happened on the federal level? Heller?
They're going to include juvenile records in the background checks whereas currently, they're off-limits. I'm okay with that myself. If someone raped someone at 17 years old, that's not something that a blind eye should be turned to just because the assailant was under 18 at the time of the crime.
Theres probably no solution for actual treatment that wont result in gross loss of rights.
If a person needs help they need to be honest with their provider. Their provider is a mandated reporter. Mandated reporters... well... you know report all sorts of shit to 3rd parties. This is in my opinion massively counter productive as many people, specifically fellow veterans know better than to ever tell a counselor what's really on their mind. because if they do it's off to the looney bin for a few days at a minimum. And if they don't want to go it's signed off by a judge and considered involuntary confined to a mental institution and you're federally F'd for life.
Mental health sounds great until you think about how it will 100% for sure be abused and act as a system to DQ undesirable people.
If we could trust those with the keys to the power it'd be a non issue. But obviously they can't be trusted with it. So it's a bad thing at the end.
We have a mental health problem for sure. I haven't heard any ideas to deal with it that I would endorse. Freedom has a price, but it's worth it.
Theres probably no solution for actual treatment that wont result in gross loss of rights.
If a person needs help they need to be honest with their provider. Their provider is a mandated reporter. Mandated reporters... well... you know report all sorts of shit to 3rd parties. This is in my opinion massively counter productive as many people, specifically fellow veterans know better than to ever tell a counselor what's really on their mind. because if they do it's off to the looney bin for a few days at a minimum. And if they don't want to go it's signed off by a judge and considered involuntary confined to a mental institution and you're federally F'd for life.
That's why a lot of people don't seek help. They don't seek it because they can't be honest about what's going on. And if they are they are essentially sent to jail and in a lot of cases become quasi felons for the rest of there life. 2nd class citizens.
Till that changes the "mental health debate" is a joke and waste of everyone's time.
I will catch shit for this but there should be 110% immunity for mental health professionals, not mandated reporter BS. You cannot get people to seek treatment if they
are afraid of the Waffen SS jumping out of the bushes and taking their shit away because they said something "controversial". They need to be able to trust the person they are getting
help from, otherwise, they intentionally will often avoid seeking that help.
Mental health sounds great until you think about how it will 100% for sure be abused and act as a system to DQ undesirable people.
If we could trust those with the keys to the power it'd be a non issue. But obviously they can't be trusted with it. So it's a bad thing at the end.