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MoveOn.org pushing for gun control

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A while back I signed up as a member of MoveOn.org. I wanted to get their internal emails etc. in order to keep an eye on what they are doing. Keep you friends close and your enemies closer.

Today they started a new petition for gun control.

Dear MoveOn member,

The tragedy in Tucson has brought to light some glaring holes in our gun control system.

Thousands of the records that should be in the background check system—people with documented histories of serious mental illness and drug abuse, like Arizona shooter Jared Lee Loughner—have never been entered.1 And you can still buy guns at gun shows with no background check at all.2

A bipartisan group of mayors from across the country, led by New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, is now pushing to close these loopholes.

There is huge public support (over 90%!) for doing this3—but the gun lobby and the NRA are powerful and super well-funded and they will fight this tooth and nail. If we can show overwhelming public demand for the mayors' efforts right now, change is possible.

Can you sign this petition to Congress supporting the bipartisan proposal from Mayors Against Illegal Guns? If we can get over 250,000 signatures, mayors from across the country will deliver them directly to Congress.
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Go here to add your own comments to their petition:[URL******************/[/URL]

Mod note: no links to moveon or du are permitted.................
 
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"huge public support (over 90%)" - apparently they only polled freedom hating socialists as there is no chance that 90% of this country believes in more gun control.
 
Why bother signing up there? You know that just pumps up their statistics. You already -know- their platform, which is anything that is communist.

-Mike
 
It would not suprize me to see that commie pig mb run for dictator, that seems to be what it is now. Hes got enough money to buy it.
 
smcnally said:
Ummm, yeah, please DO NOT do this. Even negative comments add to their petition count because you are still signing it.
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MoveOn.org leverages technology to further their cause. They pioneered the concept of using online polls to automatically send email notifications to politicians. They send out a mass email to all their members which says "click here to make your voice heard!" behind the scenes they generate emails to the politicians and flood their inboxs. This is the primary way they exert influence, that and fund raising. Anything you type in the comment box will automatically be sent to your rep based on the Zip you enter. They even say:
Another great way to make sure Congress feels a lot of heat on this issue is to spread the word to your friends and family so they know what's going on. You can just forward the sample letter below.

Spreading the word is critical, but please only pass this message along to those who know you -- spam hurts our campaign.
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My emphasis added.
 
massaiga said:
MoveOn.org leverages technology to further their cause. They pioneered the concept of using online polls to automatically send email notifications to politicians. They send out a mass email to all their members which says "click here to make your voice heard!" behind the scenes they generate emails to the politicians and flood their inboxs. This is the primary way they exert influence, that and fund raising. Anything you type in the comment box will automatically be sent to your rep based on the Zip you enter. They even say:
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The link you sent was not for a poll, it is for a petition. When you sign a petition it you are added to the count of people who signed it (even if you say otherwise in the comments). I'm sure they will read the comments but, when you enter your info, and then click the "SIGN THE PETITION" button, you are added to the count of people who agree with the main statement which is:

"Congress must keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people by taking two critical steps: 1) Get all the names of people who should be prohibited from buying guns into the background check system. 2) Require a background check for every gun sale in America."
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massaiga said:
Thousands of the records that should be in the background check system—people with documented histories of serious mental illness and drug abuse, like Arizona shooter Jared Lee Loughner—have never been entered.
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You know, if this was anything other than gun-related, the ACLU would be allll over that statement like a pig in shit. Privacy concerns, etc. Libs love to use mental illness as an excuse for lenient sentencing for other crimes but when it comes to guns it's the exact opposite. Such hypocrisy, huh?

-JR
 
I have incurred a lot of negativity from various non-gun individuals since this Tuscon tragedy. The media, politicians, and organizations have seized this incident ala Rahm Emmanuel's "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste" strategy.

I fear we are about to take a hit. I have dug in my heals as best as I can right now. I don't know how it's going to play out. We will probably get an idea during the state of the union speech tonight.

I fear we did not establish momentum enough when we won the two SCOTUS decisions. We should have been ready to mount a massive legal attack. Now we are back on the defense again, and it is too late. All because of a single POS pot head tweaker.

This is sad.[sad2]
 
massaiga said:
A while back I signed up as a member of MoveOn.org. I wanted to get their internal emails etc. in order to keep an eye on what they are doing. Keep you friends close and your enemies closer.

Today they started a new petition for gun control.



Go here to add your own comments to their petition:[URL******************/[/URL]

Mod note: no links to moveon or du are permitted.................
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how freekin stupid can these folks be.
 
RKBA Personal Safety said:
I have incurred a lot of negativity from various non-gun individuals since this Tuscon tragedy. The media, politicians, and organizations have seized this incident ala Rahm Emmanuel's "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste" strategy.

I fear we are about to take a hit. I have dug in my heals as best as I can right now. I don't know how it's going to play out. We will probably get an idea during the state of the union speech tonight.

I fear we did not establish momentum enough when we won the two SCOTUS decisions. We should have been ready to mount a massive legal attack. Now we are back on the defense again, and it is too late. All because of a single POS pot head tweaker.

This is sad.[sad2]
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You are projecting the ma**h*** anti-gun culture to the rest of the country. That is where you went off.
 
RKBA Personal Safety said:
I have incurred a lot of negativity from various non-gun individuals since this Tuscon tragedy. The media, politicians, and organizations have seized this incident ala Rahm Emmanuel's "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste" strategy.

I fear we are about to take a hit. I have dug in my heals as best as I can right now. I don't know how it's going to play out. We will probably get an idea during the state of the union speech tonight.

I fear we did not establish momentum enough when we won the two SCOTUS decisions. We should have been ready to mount a massive legal attack. Now we are back on the defense again, and it is too late. All because of a single POS pot head tweaker.

This is sad.[sad2]
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Apparently you haven't paid much attention to gun politics in the last 5+ years. The odds are against us taking a "hit" anytime soon. I'll take a wag and guess that the "non gun individuals" you speak of, are all flaming moonbats.

-Mike
 
It seems they are trying to hitch their wagon to anything that will attract people, get them some paying customers and make some headlines. They seem like they are trying rescue themselves from irrelevancy.
 
MoveOn is calling for more gun control? HOLY CRAP STOP THE PRESSES!

Seriously, why post this nonsense. Do you also wish us to peruse every Brady Center press release? I have better things to do and like my head unexploded thanks.
 
We thought we were pretty safe when Peter Blute held the deciding vote for Clinton's gun control schemes. He took gun owner money, visited gun clubs, shook our hands and happily voted for Clinton's gun controls. He even had the nerve to come back wanting our support for a second term. Never take a politician for granted. If your foot isn't aimed at their tender areas every minute of every day they're gonna forget who or what they promised.

One thing about mental health screenings and guns that doesn't get mentioned much. People that own guns that may have an emotional issue that could be helped by asking a doctor or shrink won't seek help if it means they may lose their rights to own guns, hunt, or have whatever permits are required to do so. Once you have the label of mental health issues you will almost always wear that label for ever and ever. One because our society has twisted views on mental health and the ability to overcome issues and two, no doctor will want to risk proclaiming you cured or safe to own a gun to restore your right. This is a huge fraud and catch 22. You could lose your ability to ever own a gun if you seek treatment for depression after a death in your family or after an injury to yourself. What about marriage counselling, grief counselling, etc. If one of the standard questions is, Do you own a gun?" then you know the first action is going to be to remove the gun(s) and whatever licensure goes with it.
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Apparently you haven't paid much attention to gun politics in the last 5+ years. The odds are against us taking a "hit" anytime soon. I'll take a wag and guess that the "non gun individuals" you speak of, are all flaming moonbats.

-Mike
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PaulD said:
And he's also a Republican. It's highly worth remembering that.
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No, it isn't worth noting Bloomberg's self-chosen party label.

Anyone with a clue knows he does not represent the maintream values of the Republican party.

To even bring him up as a measure of bipartisanship......well.....
 
Gadsden said:
I really hope/pray you are correct in your optimism, but the propaganda machine for the antis is in FULL effect. I'm curious if it will be mentioned tonight in the state of the union address. And thanks to Cheney f--king us with his statement, they are gaining steam.

http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_n...mention-gun-control-in-his-state-of-the-union
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They are not gaining steam where it matters. Seriously, do you understand the pulse of the country at large? If you look at everything through your regional looking glass, then you might not.
 
Jose said:
They are not gaining steam where it matters. Seriously, do you understand the pulse of the country at large? If you look at everything through your regional looking glass, then you might not.
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Believe me, I do. I lived in a free state most of my life so the regional looking glass has little effect. However, I remember the Klinton AWB passing in a similar political climate.

Let's face it; the pulse of the country was and still is against Obamacare. Did that stop the congress-critters from passing it despite it being political suicide for some? With Fox news talking about "a war on cops", Cheney saying "it is time for a ban on hi-cap mags", and every liberal moonbat media outlet railing against gun owners there is great reason for concern.

Like I said, I hope you are right about something not getting passed. I *know* you are right about the national pulse. That being said, the conditions are ripening for an all-out push against gun ownership, especially from an administration that ran on a platform of passing an AWB.
 
Gadsden said:
Believe me, I do. I lived in a free state most of my life so the regional looking glass has little effect. However, I remember the Klinton AWB passing in a similar political climate.

Let's face it; the pulse of the country was and still is against Obamacare. Did that stop the congress-critters from passing it despite it being political suicide for some? With Fox news talking about "a war on cops", Cheney saying "it is time for a ban on hi-cap mags", and every liberal moonbat media outlet railing against gun owners there is great reason for concern.

Like I said, I hope you are right about something not getting passed. I *know* you are right about the national pulse. That being said, the conditions are ripening for an all-out push against gun ownership, especially from an administration that ran on a platform of passing an AWB.
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I'd love to hear your thoughts about how a 1993 Congress, with a Democratic majority in the both Houses, is a "similar political climate" to today. And your Obamacare analogy doesn't hold, because that was a bicameral Democratic majority as well, including a Democratic supermajority in the Senate.

Democrats at the national level know gun control is a losing issue, and as much as we rightfully bitch about the number of RINOs, we are on solid ground with Republicans as well. My concern is some ATF sleight-of-hand regulatory move, outside the control of Congress, akin to the latest moves regarding Saiga shotguns.
 
ScottS said:
I'd love to hear your thoughts about how a 1993 Congress, with a Democratic majority in the both Houses, is a "similar political climate" to today. And your Obamacare analogy doesn't hold, because that was a bicameral Democratic majority as well, including a Democratic supermajority in the Senate.

Democrats at the national level know gun control is a losing issue, and as much as we rightfully bitch about the number of RINOs, we are on solid ground with Republicans as well. My concern is some ATF sleight-of-hand regulatory move, outside the control of Congress, akin to the latest moves regarding Saiga shotguns.
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Agreed, by strict party lines it is not an apples to apples comparison. By political climate I was not looking at just party lines (although you are correct when it comes to votes that is the main concern), I was taking in consideration the all-out attack on firearms by the media and liberal groups, a liberal administration, and gun-related tragedies for them to grandstand on.

My point, which I admittedly have not done a good job making, is I find it impossible to trust congress critters to look out for or follow the will of the people, especially when it comes to gun rights. (Look at Regan banning machine guns, Bush Sr. passing the '89 import ban). Portions of gun rights are one of the first bargaining chips tossed in when there is something politicians want to haggle for, and the RINOs and Fudds do nothing to stop it. I'm not in any way saying "This is it!! They are going to ban guns!!", but I am taking a worse-case look at what could happen if we do not remain vigilant.

And your last concerns are by far the worst threat, you hit the nail on the head. That would not amaze me in the least.
 

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