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mounting a scope on a bullseye pistol
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Even with perfect glass (I mean that literally) the bullet impact will only be precise when in the center of the optic: a 1” optic will vary by 1” from edge to edge. This effect isn’t parallax, it’s the nature of the technology.
To shoot perfectly you need to keep the dot centered.
MisterHappy
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or because it was the only model available back in 1975?
dcmdon
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This is the Ruger Mk2 6 7/8 " Government model" that I was given by my parents when I was 16. My dad and I shot it in a bulls eye league for years.
We added this 1" dot scope when my dad started having trouble with the sights. It's from around 1987 and was made in Sweden. It still works great. All the improvements in technology over the last 38 years really don't change anything when it comes to bulls eye use. Wider field of view and battery life are pretty much irrelevant.
We added this 1" dot scope when my dad started having trouble with the sights. It's from around 1987 and was made in Sweden. It still works great. All the improvements in technology over the last 38 years really don't change anything when it comes to bulls eye use. Wider field of view and battery life are pretty much irrelevant.
I would add, IMO anytime you can add a little weight to a blaster it does help with recoil management. On bullseye guns, being heavy isn't a problem.
@milktree Can you tell me where people are shooting bullseye? I've yet to find a league or clubI've seen a few pictures of a red-dot mounted on a bullseye pistol with both rings on the same end of the scope. Like this:
This looks... bogus. But is it?
But maybe I'm thinking about it wrong. It's a barrel mounted scope on a heavy, low power pistol; it's not going to get flung around.
I can already hear you ask, "why are you even asking this question?"
I'm glad you asked!
I haven't done all the measurements yet, so this might all be moot, but it would be nice to know the edges of my reasonable options.
- My Model 41 is not tapped for a scope rail.
- I have a chunk of Picatinny rail.
- I have a mill; I can do whatever I want.
- I have drills and taps for 6-40 threads.
- I have a box of 6-40 cap head screws.
- Standard threads are 6-48, but I don't have taps in that size.
- 6-48 screws are expensive (and I don't have any).
- If I'm going to drill and tap with non-standard threads, I want to do it in a pattern that won't interfere with someone doing it "right" in the future, or cause confusion by having a familiar pattern with the wrong threads.
- Mounting the scope in the perhaps bogus way above might open up my mounting pattern possibilities
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Mystic Valley claims to host it as part of the Greater Boston Pistol League.
Mystic Valley Gun Club
MVGC features two ranges. A ten port 50 foot main range has Caswell carrier and port system with a cutting edge backstop which utilizes ground rubber tires as a stopping agent. The second range is a six port 50 foot range with electric target carriers and a sand based backstop. Both ranges...
Searching for that shows that Mass Rifle does, too.
Gallery Bullseye Pistol - Massachusetts Rifle Association
In fact, there's a whole list -
If your home club doesn't, maybe volunteer to start a group?
I dont think many younger people would like what some did to their guns to try and get the holes in the X ring more often
I see many younger shooters hmm say under 35 are stuck on hits on target not trying to hit X ring
In the end you use what works
I know a few old timers still rocking their dots from the 80s
He passed some time ago but another bullseye shooter Used to show up with his clapped out colt 45 with a Ultra Magnum scope
I have even seen LER rifle scopes on pistols
Asaltweapon
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I shot on a team and we had an opponent who absolutely rocked a revolver with irons. It was awesome watching him shoot rapid fire stage.
I was a 280ish average. Only one 300 match in many years of doing it and having a blast with a very fun ball busting team.
Asaltweapon
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I started in the early 80’s at Westford SC. Took a break for a spell then shot from Concord R&G where we all had a blast. Too much fun at times.
I quit for other reasons but the laughs will be never ending.
dcmdon
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Is this a challenge or are you actually looking for a club to shoot bullseye at?
If it's a challenge, as others have said, Mass Rifle has several teams. I'm participating in the Eastern Mass Rifle league series this spring.
In this case it's a 200 yard offhand match.
Mass rifle has airgun teams, pistol teams, junior programs, and probably some I couldn't remember.
****If you are looking for a place to shoot in a league, letting us know where you live/work or at least what area you would be looking for is helpful.
dcmdon
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I have no idea what it is. I pulled it from the Internet as I was poking around looking for some old school mounts and this one popped up. When I was a teenager back in the 80s most of the bull’s-eye shooters were the old school who cares what it looks like as long as it works type their guns were often well worn faded, and ugly. But I guess that’s what happens when you actually shoot a gun a lot.
You give me an idea of the mentality I got from these old bull’s-eye shooters.
I had just bought a mock series bull barrel Ruger. And I want to use it for the indoor pistol league when I asked one of the other guys that has a pile full of Ruger in his bag how to take it apart he looked at me funny and asked why is it broken. I said no it’s not broken. He said well just leave it alone then. I asked him about cleaning it. He just cocked his head and said I’ll just take those plastic grips off and give it a good cleaning with one of those canned gun cleaners and then oil it. You’ll be fine..
And a funny thing is is not long after that I was with my dad and he was dropping some guns off at a gunsmith. He really liked out in the Orange mass area and he had a little sign on his desk. That says I fix more clean guns than dirty guns, and I kind of laughed. It’s funny the shit we remember.
dcmdon
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Yes, I saw that and cringed.
rogues
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I know there's a southern NH league that shoots out of Pelham and Nashua and a few other clubs around there. As has been mentioned the Greater Boston Pistol League is probably your other option. I believe there are 8 total bullseye leagues throughout Mass, the GBPL is probably your best bet in MA.
The Winter season is ending or it will be ending shortly. Now is a good time to get into the outdoor matches. fa18hooker here runs a great monthly match April-October out of Pelham and folks are always willing to help out new shooters. April is full because he's got Jonathan Shue coming in for a bullseye clinic.
Outdoors 50 yards can be intimidating at first but the targets scale to distance and it's really no more difficult than 50' (and it's a lot more fun shooting outdoors). You can also find some matches on njpistol.com but most of the matches in the area besides Pelham are in Connecticut.
Shoot me a message if you need more info on the Pelham matches or fa18hooker here as well.
Would you still cringe knowing that Leslie bear might’ve done that.
Didn’t take long to find this
dcmdon
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It might be original. Now that you mention it, I vaguely remember they offered a bulls eye package that included some kind of red dot mount.
*****Edit - Yup. they still offer it!!
Back when I bought my Kimber 'Gold Match' (pictured in post #11) I did it with the intent of doing a relative budget build to compete with .22 Bullseye league teammates who were bragging about their (expensive), extra tweeked, Les Baers they were using in 2700 type matches being guaranteed to hold 1.5" at 50yds. I looked at it as a challenge and always wanted to build a match type 1911... Well...
The present days are to me like the golden age of 1911's in that cnc machine tolerances are awesome and even some of the relative budget guns have better slide fit and lockup than the semi custom match stuff in the 90's. So back then something half decent to start a build with was still upwards of a grand and choices were very limited.
Decided starting with a whole gun to be cheaper/easier than all individual parts and settled on the Kimber as good $'s to performance. The model was just out and I had to pre order and wait a couple months, was I think $875, still on the pricey side for the late 90's.
Gun was so purdy and I didn't want to perforate the frame to mount an ugly optic mount like the LB pictured above. So I machined something out of tool steel with a picatinny that mounted in the rear adj sight 'block' with an 'I' beam that went all the way up the slide with a slot at the end to clamp onto the front sight blade. I did drill a hole through the blade so a screw could go through to clamp the ears together on it.
The extra weight of the big aimpoint on the slide would of course slow the cycling time a bit but with rapid fire being only 5 rounds in ten seconds it doesn't matter much. And with light bullseye loads it's sooo smooth...
Gun shot pretty well as it was but wasn't up to my lofty goals of precision so first just did all the trigger and related tweeking and played with light reloads and springs for reliably cycling them.
Then attempted to tighten up the slide but gave up after incrementally applying a scary amount of pressure across it in a precision milling vice and just not moving it, would spring back every time and I was really afraid of cracking it. So I bit the bullet and sent it out to be 'accurailed', a 'thing' at the time...
Next was a Nowlin 'unfit' 'Gunsmith barrel' and an unfit NM bushing, that was were the real work came into play, a lot of things going on at once to hand fit that stuff. Bunch of links in incremental lengths, etc...
Never put it on a ransome rest to really measure it's accuracy but off bags it shot as well as the LB's and whatever else I had set out to match.
And at about half the cost of the 1.5" spec'ed LB's, minus a ton of my time but that was a labor of love so doesn't count, lol.
Put a ton of lead through it over the past almost 30 years and still works good as ever (except for the occasional aimpoint glitches), though age is catching up to my performance and I can't really take advantage of it's capabilities any more. Not sure I want to know what my bullseye average would be these days, long time since I shot an actual match.
The present days are to me like the golden age of 1911's in that cnc machine tolerances are awesome and even some of the relative budget guns have better slide fit and lockup than the semi custom match stuff in the 90's. So back then something half decent to start a build with was still upwards of a grand and choices were very limited.
Decided starting with a whole gun to be cheaper/easier than all individual parts and settled on the Kimber as good $'s to performance. The model was just out and I had to pre order and wait a couple months, was I think $875, still on the pricey side for the late 90's.
Gun was so purdy and I didn't want to perforate the frame to mount an ugly optic mount like the LB pictured above. So I machined something out of tool steel with a picatinny that mounted in the rear adj sight 'block' with an 'I' beam that went all the way up the slide with a slot at the end to clamp onto the front sight blade. I did drill a hole through the blade so a screw could go through to clamp the ears together on it.
The extra weight of the big aimpoint on the slide would of course slow the cycling time a bit but with rapid fire being only 5 rounds in ten seconds it doesn't matter much. And with light bullseye loads it's sooo smooth...
Gun shot pretty well as it was but wasn't up to my lofty goals of precision so first just did all the trigger and related tweeking and played with light reloads and springs for reliably cycling them.
Then attempted to tighten up the slide but gave up after incrementally applying a scary amount of pressure across it in a precision milling vice and just not moving it, would spring back every time and I was really afraid of cracking it. So I bit the bullet and sent it out to be 'accurailed', a 'thing' at the time...
Next was a Nowlin 'unfit' 'Gunsmith barrel' and an unfit NM bushing, that was were the real work came into play, a lot of things going on at once to hand fit that stuff. Bunch of links in incremental lengths, etc...
Never put it on a ransome rest to really measure it's accuracy but off bags it shot as well as the LB's and whatever else I had set out to match.
And at about half the cost of the 1.5" spec'ed LB's, minus a ton of my time but that was a labor of love so doesn't count, lol.
Put a ton of lead through it over the past almost 30 years and still works good as ever (except for the occasional aimpoint glitches), though age is catching up to my performance and I can't really take advantage of it's capabilities any more. Not sure I want to know what my bullseye average would be these days, long time since I shot an actual match.
Yeah- that Les Baer was no doubt headed to the Smithsonian for permanent display.
![[laugh]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/012.gif "Laugh [laugh]")
Common set up for a Bullseye 1911 but probably not the right accessory to show off with your skinny jeans and plaid wearing arf-com tactical bro's.
