1. If you enjoy the forum please consider supporting it by signing up for a NES Membership  The benefits pay for the membership many times over.

  2. Dismiss Notice

Mosin nagant question

Discussion in 'Mil Surp Collectors' started by PATRON, Aug 15, 2012.

  1. 76Too

    76Too NES Member

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2013
    Messages:
    4,351
    Likes Received:
    1,794
    Location:
    Just passing through
    Exactly what I was thinking!
     

  2. Smokewagon

    Smokewagon

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    2,594
    Likes Received:
    284
    Location:
    Central, MA
    This is epic. Boris is a friggin treasure to NES'rs. I'm in the process of cleaning up my 91/30 (And my Garand) and hit upon this thread. Great stuff.
     
  3. Gillham

    Gillham

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2010
    Messages:
    5,507
    Likes Received:
    793
    Location:
    Peoples Republik of Massachusetts
    Huh. How have I not read this thread until now?

    Brian - is this rifle still at the shop? I'd love to see it - and if it is, why haven't you shown it to me sooner?! [laugh]

    Boris - excellent work comrade.
     
  4. Havvock

    Havvock

    Joined:
    May 20, 2012
    Messages:
    438
    Likes Received:
    69
    Location:
    Blue Hills Mountain
    This is truly awesome, I'm going to make it a mission of mine to find one of these.
     
  5. tpm

    tpm

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2013
    Messages:
    520
    Likes Received:
    24
    Location:
    Southeastern MA
    So I bought my first mosin nagant 91/30 in the group buy put on by Joe at On Target. I cleaned the light coat of cosmoline and opened my tin of ammo. I went and fired it yesterday for the first time. People weren't lying or exaggerating when they say that rifle kicks. I think it is compounded by the steel butt plate, butt what do I know. After shooting I have a couple of questions:

    I would like to buy a recoil pad for the stock, do the sleeves that fit over the stock work?

    The trigger guard kept hitting my middle finger, am I holding it wrong?

    Should I save the brass (or copper washed steel in this case) or throw it out?

    Other than that I liked shooting the rifle.
     
  6. martin08

    martin08

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2009
    Messages:
    2,171
    Likes Received:
    349
    Location:
    Western Maine
    A proper hold might eliminate the need for any alterations.

    Pull rearward to the shoulder very tightly with the shooting hand, and push forward with the front supporting hand. This method usually tames even the heaviest recoil, as well as steadies the sight picture.

    Give it a try!

    And no, there is no need to save the surplus cases if you are not equipped to reload with berdan primers. Police the steel, and toss it in the trash.
     
  7. jpm

    jpm NES Member

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2013
    Messages:
    4,970
    Likes Received:
    826
    Yes! That's the only type to use IMO. The sleeve with the gel pad works perfectly on my carbine and the nice part is you can slip it right off when you're done and it hasn't changed the look of the gun at all. Got mine on amazon for not much $$.
     
  8. tpm

    tpm

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2013
    Messages:
    520
    Likes Received:
    24
    Location:
    Southeastern MA
    Alright so I bought a butt pad for the mosin and it just came. I removed the old steel "pad" and started installing the new one and it doesn't fit. The top screw hole lined up just fine but the bottom screw hole in my rifle was about 1/4" below where the molded cut out is. I tightened the screw until it was snug anyway and the pad definitely doesn't fit. The butt pad is 4.25" tall and the end of my rifle is only 4" tall. Do 91/30 stocks come in different sizes I just assumed they were all the same?

    mosin butt pad 4.jpg mosin butt pad 2.jpg

    The butt pad is an Aim Sports PJNG05.
     
  9. jpm

    jpm NES Member

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2013
    Messages:
    4,970
    Likes Received:
    826
    I'd return it and get the slip on gel type, the hard pads don't really absorb much of anything
     
  10. andrew1220

    andrew1220 NES Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2011
    Messages:
    10,612
    Likes Received:
    2,841
    Location:
    Glostah
    Throw out that butt pad and get the gel filled pad. I got the gel filled pad for my mosin and it works great! I can shoot 100 rounds and not have a bruised and beat up shoulder afterwards. Here's the link to it on amazon.

    http://www.amazon.com/Shooterpads-R...0529429&sr=8-1&keywords=gel+filled+recoil+pad
     
    Last edited: Jan 23, 2014
  11. jpm

    jpm NES Member

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2013
    Messages:
    4,970
    Likes Received:
    826
  12. jerryhipp

    jerryhipp NES Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2013
    Messages:
    996
    Likes Received:
    115
    Location:
    woostah
    i got my first mosin from the group buy with joe at on target also. and i got home today and my new mod came in so i couldn't wait so i put it on![smile]
    IMG_0111.jpg IMG_0110.jpg IMG_0109.jpg
     
  13. andrew1220

    andrew1220 NES Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2011
    Messages:
    10,612
    Likes Received:
    2,841
    Location:
    Glostah
    Nice! I got my Archangel stock a few weeks ago. I also bought the timney trigger, tapco ak47 muzzle brake, rock solid industries scope mount, bent bolt handle, scope, and bipod. Just got to get it to a gunsmith to get the barrel cut, recrowned, drill and tap the receiver, and the muzzle brake installed. Can't wait!
     
  14. tpm

    tpm

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2013
    Messages:
    520
    Likes Received:
    24
    Location:
    Southeastern MA
    Is the barrel and bolt the only original pieces left on the gun?

    I sent an message to the company on Ebay to see if I can return it; it was only $12 with shipping so not a big deal if they don't but they shouldn't advertise that it fits when it doesn't. I was just wondering if they make different stocks and it is my gun that doesn't fit or if it was indeed a bad product. I'll look into the gel pad.
     
  15. andrew1220

    andrew1220 NES Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2011
    Messages:
    10,612
    Likes Received:
    2,841
    Location:
    Glostah
    I put the hard rubber recoil pad up for NES Karma since it was only like $10 and It did nothing to help with recoil.
     
  16. tpm

    tpm

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2013
    Messages:
    520
    Likes Received:
    24
    Location:
    Southeastern MA
    But it did fit your rifle?
     
  17. andrew1220

    andrew1220 NES Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2011
    Messages:
    10,612
    Likes Received:
    2,841
    Location:
    Glostah
    Not really. I gave up fairly quickly trying to get it to work since it cost such a small amount of money.
     
  18. jerryhipp

    jerryhipp NES Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2013
    Messages:
    996
    Likes Received:
    115
    Location:
    woostah
    pretty much!
     
  19. tpm

    tpm

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2013
    Messages:
    520
    Likes Received:
    24
    Location:
    Southeastern MA
    I purchased the recoil pad and shot it this weekend. So much more enjoyable to shoot.

    On a side note, I think I know what why people say mosins tend to multiply in the gun safe. A guy at the range saw me using my 91/30 and told me to try his mosin carbine (I believe he said Chinese). That gun is so much fun to shoot with the fireball; if I see one of those around I think I'll have to buy it.
     
  20. andrew1220

    andrew1220 NES Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2011
    Messages:
    10,612
    Likes Received:
    2,841
    Location:
    Glostah
    Glad it worked out for you. Yeah they definitely do multiply. My first mosin was the M44 carbine and I just recently got a 91/30 that I stripped down and in the process of cutting and recrowning the barrel to put in an Archangel stock. Can't wait.

    But yes, you should definitely get a carbine at some point. Much easier to shoot standing up and as you said, shoots a nice fireball.

    I got both of mine at Collectable Arms in Merrimack, NH as they have a very nice selection of mosins (in varying levels of condition) to pick from. Carbines are $269.99 and 91/30s are $179.99. Crates of x54r ammo (880 rounds) $187.99. Great shop.
     
    Last edited: Feb 3, 2014
  21. whacko

    whacko

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2012
    Messages:
    8,488
    Likes Received:
    3,752
    I just got one and put 80 rounds thru it yesterday.......I will own more! Fun.....cheap.....have to "convince" the bolt to do your bidding but gives you an idea what Ivan went through! I need a carbine next. These things blow the hell out of 2 liter soda bottles! I lucked out and got a 1940 that does not shoot high at 100 yards......just a tad to the right though......fixable!
     
    1 person likes this.
  22. BM3/1967

    BM3/1967

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2013
    Messages:
    94
    Likes Received:
    29
    Location:
    Enfield, Connecticut
    [​IMG]
     
    3 people like this.
  23. whacko

    whacko

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2012
    Messages:
    8,488
    Likes Received:
    3,752
    wish I could give rep x1000!
     
  24. K98

    K98

    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2013
    Messages:
    784
    Likes Received:
    79
    My blind date, the one sitting. Harumph...
     
  25. kalash

    kalash

    Joined:
    Nov 9, 2010
    Messages:
    8,178
    Likes Received:
    4,510
    Yesterday was my first time shooting past 100 yards, out to about 170 specifically, using a friend's rifles, followed by my Mosin M38. I hit some cans with the iron sights and danced around a 6" plate for a while without hitting it but anyways - shooting the scoped guns at that distance was a ton of fun, especially since I don't have perfect eyesight and the optics actually allowed me to see pretty well (duh). I have a 91/30 that I haven't shot since getting the M38 so I started thinking about getting a Monte Carlo stock for the 91/30, along with a scope mount, bipod, scope etc, all while preserving the original parts.

    Thoughts on this? My goal would be to to get that rifle out to 200 yards, then 300. Would this result in a decent 300 yard gun or is this a waste of money and I should look elsewhere?
     
  26. SKS Ray

    SKS Ray Moderator NES Member

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2006
    Messages:
    16,781
    Likes Received:
    1,535
    Location:
    South Eastern, MA
    Rather than trying to build up a 91/30 into something it isn't, why not get a 91/30 sniper? You'll have something that will allow you to shoot at longer range and still be collectable.

    Original PU Snipers are still available for $679.99. They're 91/30s that were hand selected for sniper rifles due to their accuracy.
     
  27. kalash

    kalash

    Joined:
    Nov 9, 2010
    Messages:
    8,178
    Likes Received:
    4,510
    Simple: because I'd rather not spend $679.99 right now [wink]
     
    1 person likes this.
  28. SKS Ray

    SKS Ray Moderator NES Member

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2006
    Messages:
    16,781
    Likes Received:
    1,535
    Location:
    South Eastern, MA
    If you're looking to work within a budget with what you have you can probably cobble something up. Just don't expect high end accuracy.
     
  29. mac1911

    mac1911 NES Member

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2008
    Messages:
    24,985
    Likes Received:
    3,179
    Personally I wouldn't bother scoping a 91/30 until it proves itself to be a bit accurate. if you cant pull of decent groups say @ 50 or 100 yards with suplus ammo then you wont have fun shooting @ 300 even with a scope.
    My 91/30 right from the "box" sucked for accuracy. Minute of berm. I was close to chucking the thing in the closet to live its life in the darkness.
    I was hell bent though on getting that thing to shoot at least a group vs the shotgun pattern. It was not easy nor fun to finally get there.
    1. I polished the trigger/sear spring contact area and installed a "slack spring" This help at least in starting to like the trigger.
    2. I then installed thicker and resized the front sight so I can see it and also be closer to point of aim vs point of impact for elevation.
    3. took the longest and the most looking into. finally I found someone who owns a mosin hungerian sniper. He showed me the shims in the stock both the bedding and under the handguards. I played around with shims until FINALLY" I got what i consider good groups. To me that is I can hit the 6" black bull of a SR1 target with consistency. With my reloads I shrunk my groups to 3" off the rest.
    This rifle still has a quirk, it will string vertically when hot.. not much and I have come to know this enough to adjust for it. usually by the sitting position stage of shooting rapids @ cmp match then the standing stage i need to bring my sight down to 100m to keep the shots on track.
    The only person i know who has successfully scoped a 91/30 nocked the rear sight assembly off. Installed a 3/8 dove tailed scope mount and Drilled and tapped set screws into the mosin sight base to keep it in place. Then mounted a LER Leupold scope. He shoots the match ammo from the cmp. he also shoots some russian brass cased ammo thats is supposed to be target ammo ? He only shoots 100 yards with it but peppers the hell out of 10 and X ring of a sr1...
     
    1 person likes this.
  30. Boris

    Boris Son of Kalashnikov NES Member

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2011
    Messages:
    17,943
    Likes Received:
    10,439
    Location:
    Back from Motherland
    mac did you slug the bore? what bullet size do you use for reloads?
     

Share This Page