More anti-gun comments from deputy fire chief

[xtry51]

FYI, the exact numbers are:
33,636 death by firearm 2015
321,773,631 US population 2015

This means .01% of the population.

By contrast the top three killers are:
Heart Disease - 2015 - 610,000 (estimate from FDA) - 0.19%
Cancer - 2015 - 589,430 - 0.18%
Medical Mistakes - 2015 - 400,000 (estimate from FDA) - 0.12%

You're 24 times more likely to be killed by seeing a doctor than commit suicide with a gun or to be shot by another person. (~16,000 deaths each category).

Also keep in mind that number includes all shooting deaths, including justified ones and overeager police officers using citizens as bullet sponges.

Agreed, delusional moonbat. Heck, he even said in the first set of screenshots posted that he's limited in the number of cars he could buy each year while he could buy unlimited guns. Last I checked, there were no car purchase limits other than size of bank account which is what stops me purchasing unlimited guns each year.

When you get tired of beating your head against this wall, here's the easy way to make his head explode. Just post this:

"There are about 30,000 deaths by firearms in this country every year between criminal activity, suicide, and accident. 30,000 is an insignificant statistical drop in the bucket of the American population. I think that's an acceptable risk/loss to continue living in a society that values and protects freedom and personal self-determination. None of these deaths are caused by me so they're not my concern and my liberties shouldn't be reduced because of them or anyone wringing their hands over them, so quit your whining."

Yes, it's a deliberately extreme statement calculated to make him rage-quit the FB discussion by 'proving' to him that you're the callous monster he's always known you to be since he first learned you liked guns.

Alternately, you could go ultra-liberal on him yourself. Tell him how much is continued micro-aggressions of equating gun owners like you with violent criminals is causing you mental distress and that he really should be ashamed of his judgemental bigoted attitude and stereotyping of gun owners, much less vilifying so-called "criminals" who are simply the broken victims of their social/economic environment.

Just some options....

 

[R_Wilson]

I picked up the following which give a detailed breakdown the gun related deaths

Official numbers from the CDC:
There are 32,000 deaths per year from guns and gun violence is DECLINING.
60% are suicides or 19,200,
3% accidental (960),
4% justifiable (1,280),
33% homicides (10,560),
80% of those are gang related (8,448).
That leaves 1,712/year with a population of 312,000,000.
That leaves a 0.0001026% chance of death by gun. 0.000008564% if you don't hang out with thugs, commit suicide or are involved with crime.

 

[bigblue]

You are fighting against an emotional argument with logic and statistics. You can't win.

 

[rcwhat]

Just tell him to stop being so willfully ignorant and move on

 

[drgrant]

I highly doubt it. He was the fire chief until they made him step down from that position due to some memorial day parade protest - can't remember what happened exactly, I'd have to look it up.

Protest? So he's a full on, "takes socialism intravenously" kind of moonbat....

 

[MachineHead]

https://youtu.be/UEihkjKNhN8

https://youtu.be/KVK0wyBNU50

 

[iofneedle]

Double Secret Illegal!

 

[BringTheRain]

I picked up the following which give a detailed breakdown the gun related deaths

Official numbers from the CDC:
There are 32,000 deaths per year from guns and gun violence is DECLINING.
60% are suicides or 19,200,
3% accidental (960),
4% justifiable (1,280),
33% homicides (10,560),
80% of those are gang related (8,448).
That leaves 1,712/year with a population of 312,000,000.
That leaves a 0.0001026% chance of death by gun. 0.000008564% if you don't hang out with thugs, commit suicide or are involved with crime.

This should be the standard response to end all gun control related "discussions".

 

[DukeNukem]

I just moved up to Gtown, about 200yds away from the Magnolia Station, say the word and I will go wake him up.

 

[wahsben]

I'd send him this: http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2016/01/america-doesnt-have-gun-problem-it-has_4.html and also this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=pELwCqz2JfE

I know I know, why do I even bother arguing with people on Facebook. I can't help it, especially when it comes from a heavily misinformed local deputy fire chief. Also bored to death at work so I have the time/patience to argue . But it is amazing how dumb people are and how obsessive people are with Kilary and AG Healey - WOW.

Anyway, a friend of mine posted about the bill that Bruce Tarr filed over the summer in response to the AG's bull**** and that opened up a big facebook debate with the deputy fire chief.

Here are the highlights (I'm Andrew and Steve is the deputy fire chief in case you had any doubts):
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[Dadstoys]

Have a ball.
See if you can give him an migraine.

 

[wahsben]

I'd also send him this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haynes_v._United_States

 

[DW357]

Haha awesome posts guys. Thanks for the links/stats. I posted the stats from xtry and RWilson then posted a "mic drop" image and he hasn't responded since.

 

[DW357]

I just moved up to Gtown, about 200yds away from the Magnolia Station, say the word and I will go wake him up.

Haha awesome.

You going to join cape ann sportsmans club?

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Have a ball.
See if you can give him an migraine.

Love it.

 

[Junior314]

Always entertaining to see some liberal moron who clearly has no understanding of firearms, or the process that ones goes through to purchase one feels the need to inform "us" how it works.

 

[Da_lucche]

I picked up the following which give a detailed breakdown the gun related deaths

Official numbers from the CDC:
There are 32,000 deaths per year from guns and gun violence is DECLINING.
60% are suicides or 19,200,
3% accidental (960),
4% justifiable (1,280),
33% homicides (10,560),
80% of those are gang related (8,448).
That leaves 1,712/year with a population of 312,000,000.
That leaves a 0.0001026% chance of death by gun. 0.000008564% if you don't hang out with thugs, commit suicide or are involved with crime.

I was just about to post all this but I'm glad you beat me to it!

 

[Maui5150]

This deserved to stand on its own

 

[oldguy68]

That car needs a "Fire pots not guns! bumper sticker!

 

[DW357]

I can't figure out if this guy is just a troll trying to bust balls, or is retarded...Probably both...

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[Rat187]

My buddy was a firefighter in Gary, Indiana nearly all the FF's carried on duty...with good reason

 

[xero2099]

i have eneded alot of arguments when i point out exsiting laws are not enforeced, for example the guy who sold the marathon bomber the gun he used to kill the cop only got 17months

 

[Whutmeworry]

I find the best way to shut these FMers up is to ask them why they're bothering to talk about BGCs when we all know the only real solution is to remove violent people from free society and then to KEEP them removed from free society. I've not met a BGC proponent YET who is able to argue against this very basic concept.

Arguing anything else on our side (the pro-gun side of course) is simply arguing a negative - that BGCs don't work. While this is true, it gives way to the anti-gun argument that "well...we HAVE to do SOMETHING!"

So ok...we have to do something. We have to eliminate the sh*tbags who want to harm/kill innocent people by separating them from us - PERMANENTLY, or at least until they are objectively deemed to no longer be a threat!

 

[Whutmeworry]

Sorry xero - sent my last post without refreshing the page first but your argument is spot on and hopefully my post reinforces it!

 

[xero2099]

Sorry xero - sent my last post without refreshing the page first but your argument is spot on and hopefully my post reinforces it!

 

[DW357]

I find the best way to shut these FMers up is to ask them why they're bothering to talk about BGCs when we all know the only real solution is to remove violent people from free society and then to KEEP them removed from free society. I've not met a BGC proponent YET who is able to argue against this very basic concept.

Arguing anything else on our side (the pro-gun side of course) is simply arguing a negative - that BGCs don't work. While this is true, it gives way to the anti-gun argument that "well...we HAVE to do SOMETHING!"

So ok...we have to do something. We have to eliminate the sh*tbags who want to harm/kill innocent people by separating them from us - PERMANENTLY, or at least until they are objectively deemed to no longer be a threat!

Yup. Aside from BGC's, the other argument I hear from coworkers is creating a registry and treating guns like cars

I always ask them how that would prevent a mass shooting or any shooting for that matter. Crickets.

 

[drgrant]

I find the best way to shut these FMers up is to ask them why they're bothering to talk about BGCs when we all know the only real solution is to remove violent people from free society and then to KEEP them removed from free society. I've not met a BGC proponent YET who is able to argue against this very basic concept.

Arguing anything else on our side (the pro-gun side of course) is simply arguing a negative - that BGCs don't work. While this is true, it gives way to the anti-gun argument that "well...we HAVE to do SOMETHING!"

So ok...we have to do something. We have to eliminate the sh*tbags who want to harm/kill innocent people by separating them from us - PERMANENTLY, or at least until they are objectively deemed to no longer be a threat!

This would be great if the BG check stuff was actually about reducing violent crime, etc. It's not, it's incrementalism designed to destroy gun culture and reduce gun ownership. ANY step that makes acquiring or dealing with firearms more complicated, has a net effect of reducing the number of people willing to deal with the "bother".

The "architect" antis like Shitberg, Soros, etc. don't actually give a flying **** about violent crime. That's pure 110% horseshit, all they care about is disarming the public so the public can be abused by the utopian "one world government" type stuff that they want to implement. They just tell their useful idiot underlings that stuff that they are concerned about street violence, etc, to get them to play along and make them do the shit
work under the guise of "stopping street violence".

-Mike

 

[drgrant]

My buddy was a firefighter in Gary, Indiana nearly all the FF's carried on duty...with good reason

One of those places like Brockton where you just hear this music in your head by being there, and you have the spare mag at arms reach at all times?

 

[Hardwired]

I find the best way to shut these FMers up is to ask them why they're bothering to talk about BGCs when we all know the only real solution is to remove violent people from free society and then to KEEP them removed from free society. I've not met a BGC proponent YET who is able to argue against this very basic concept.

Arguing anything else on our side (the pro-gun side of course) is simply arguing a negative - that BGCs don't work. While this is true, it gives way to the anti-gun argument that "well...we HAVE to do SOMETHING!"

So ok...we have to do something. We have to eliminate the sh*tbags who want to harm/kill innocent people by separating them from us - PERMANENTLY, or at least until they are objectively deemed to no longer be a threat!

The idiots won't get it until the herd of sh*tbags and 'bangers are coming down there street to get what's theirs from them. Then it an oh sh*t moment.

 

[ProbAddicted]

Mil

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[drgrant]

i have eneded alot of arguments when i point out exsiting laws are not enforeced, for example the guy who sold the marathon bomber the gun he used to kill the cop only got 17months

While I realize this ends arguments with sheep, in practical terms even throwing every straw buyer / illegal gun seller they find in jail for a 10 year stint isn't going to do much.

Not to mention, the way many laws are currently structured, if we were to pursue a zero tolerance policy on anyone that broke a "paper gun law" a lot of people doing innocuous things would end up in jail. (eg, joe blow sells his cousin two states away grandpa's old revolver without passing paper on it because joe blows wife doesn't want "a gun in the house" or any myriad of other innocuous transactions that can be criminal in the wrong context. )

Most of the people that sell other dirtbags guns or straw them aren't paying attention to those kinds of things, or they are so desperate they will still do it anyways. (classic example, if you're a thug, it's probably not that hard to get a drug abuser that happens to have a clean record to straw some guns for you in exchange for some smack or whatever- desperate people are trivially easy to exploit. ) This isn't much different than the same problem with people that sell hard drugs. They know they can do hard time if caught and they still do it anyways. I think the only approach from a criminal justice perspective that matters is putting more pressure on known violent offenders; most of the shootings that result in people dying are committed by people who have already been through the system several times for the same thing. We should punish those bastards- the people who actually hurt others- instead of worrying about malum prohibitum type crap.

-Mike