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Mitt Romney view on guns

Acujeff said:
Statements don't make a position - a record does.
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I'm confused by your position. If you mean what you say, that someone's legislative record is what makes a position. Than, wouldn't the only one out of the two of them who has ever legislated an actual gun ban be the one who is worse for the 2A?
 
Obama is much better:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/...round-checks-gun-buyers-aurora-033815400.html

"A lot of gun owners would agree that AK-47s belong in the hands of soldiers, not in the hands of criminals -- that they belong on the battlefield of war, not on the streets of our cities," the president, who has called for reimposing the Assault Weapons Ban, said in a speech to the National Urban League.....
 
Mitt is the only one that has signed into law anything that negatively effected 2A rights in Massachusetts.

Barry hasn't done anything, positive or negative, to effect 2A rights in this state. Nor will he, I don't think. He's not interested in taking on that fight. Most Dems (with the exception of the hard left) have moved on, much like most Repubs (with the exception of the hard right) have moved on from the abortion debate.

Yeah there's a commotion right now, but it will die down. And let's face it: If any national gun legislation ever became law (which it won't), things would most likely improve for gun owners in Massachusetts.
 
breyton490 said:
I saw this link/picture on Facebook today. Anyone know if these are actual quotes from Mitt? I would not say Mitt is a strong supporter of Lawful gun ownership, but these quotes if true are very troublesome. The other guy is worse, but hoping Mitt has matured in his view of the 2nd amendment.


http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...52205452.28751.145209655538915&type=1&theater
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He is a politician. If everyone says white, he will say white. If everyone says black, he will say black. It is their job, to survive.

Why are people surprised at these things?
 
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Imagine the damage obama will do if he doesn't have to worry about getting reelected.

Reelecting obama is like backing up the titanic and hitting the iceberg again.

A taxpayer voting for barack obama is like a chicken voting for colonel sanders.

Barack Hussein Obama is the worst president in the history of our great country and that virus needs to be removed from the oval office. ANYTHING is better than Obozo The Clown!!!!!!
 
IrishGun said:
Imagine the damage obama will do if he doesn't have to worry about getting reelected.

Reelecting obama is like backing up the titanic and hitting the iceberg again.

A taxpayer voting for barack obama is like a chicken voting for colonel sanders.

Barack Hussein Obama is the worst president in the history of our great country and that virus needs to be removed from the oval office. ANYTHING is better than Obozo The Clown!!!!!!
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The government can try to ban assault rifles and pass other gun reform propositions but no matter what criminals will not abide the laws regardless. Banning large capacity guns will not prevent a psychopath from killing innocent people by other means.
 
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After all the BS the fast few weeks with the CO incident, bloomberg BS, and all the bad buzz that goes with it I decided to get an AR before it was too late. If your no a member of the NRA now is the time to step up and join. Fight for your second amendment
 
Acujeff said:
Apparently we are supposed to be more concerned with a statement from Romney than what Obama has done.

When it was politically expedient for Obama to be pro-gun his actions show only the opposite. He has only become more anti-gun over time and if re-elected we'll see a lot more.

When it was politically expedient for Romney to be pro-gun control his actions show the opposite. His record shows he has either reduced gun control or passed pro-gun bills while Gov of MA.

http://www.goal.org/newspages/romney.html
http://www.mittromney.com/issues/gun-rights

Statements don't make a position - a record does.

Romney's record shows he has become only more pro-gun over time. If we especially work to get Republican majorities in the House and Senate we can expect him to dismantle Obama's anti-gun actions in the UN and on the Southern border, make sure Fast and Furious is successfully investigated, more pro-gun legislation passed, and up to four more pro-gun Supreme Court Justices.
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When has Obama signed a single piece of anti-gun legislation?

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NorEastBeast said:
After all the BS the fast few weeks with the CO incident, bloomberg BS, and all the bad buzz that goes with it I decided to get an AR before it was too late. If your no a member of the NRA now is the time to step up and join. Fight for your second amendment
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No thanks, I'll support a real 2nd amendment group that doesn't meddle in a state's pro-gun laws.
 
Acujeff said:
Actually, Romney has never banned guns. He was not yet in office and so did not sign the permanent 1998 MA AWB into law.

If you actually examine his record it is clear Romney signed no anti-gun bills while he was Gov. of MA 2002-2006.

What is known today as the highly restrictive gun control laws in MA were passed in 1998 by the Massachusetts legislature. It included MA’s assault weapons ban (MGL Chapter 140, Section 131M) that was more restrictive than the 1994 Fed AWB.

Here’s the entire 1998 CHAPTER 180 AN ACT RELATIVE TO GUN CONTROL IN THE COMMONWEALTH OF MA

http://www.malegislature.gov/Laws/SessionLaws/Acts/1998/Chapter180

If you actually read the law it is clear that this ban did not rely on the federal language, was not tied to the federal AWB and contained no sunset clause. The expiration of the Fed AWB in 2004 did not get rid of, or affect, MA's own permanent AWB.

MA Gun owners wanted to get rid of the ban in 2004, but did not have the votes in the state Legislature (over 85% anti-gun Democrat). When the Fed ban expired in 2004, Gun Owners’ Action League (the MA based pro-2A group) and Romney used the opportunity to amend the MA AWB by including the federal exemptions and a few other improvements that were not in the state law.

CHAPTER 150 AN ACT FURTHER REGULATING CERTAIN WEAPONS
http://www.malegislature.gov/Laws/SessionLaws/Acts/2004/Chapter150

If Romney did not sign that bill, the more restrictive AWB would still be in place today.

So the actual truth is, in 2004, Romney signed a bill that amended the permanent AWB and made it less strict. Some folks are misrepresenting his record and claiming that Romney signed the AWB permanently into effect and that our AWB was set to expire in 2004.

Let's look at the rest of Romney's record:
During the Romney Administration he made some early pro-gun control statements but met and worked with Gun Owners’ Action League (the Mass. based pro-2A group) and no anti-second amendment or anti-sportsmen legislation made its way to the Governor’s desk. In addition, he removed any anti-second amendment language from the Gang Violence bill passed in 2006, and signed five pro-second amendment bills into law.

Romney‘s entire record:
http://www.goal.org/newspages/romney.html

If you think Romney is the same as Obama than you must really like Obama's Fast and Furious and the subsequent cover-up (the biggest criminal political scandal in American history), registering gun purchases in the four southern border states, promoting the UN Gun Ban Treaty, appointing two anti-RKBA Supreme Court Justices and appointing 125 anti-RKBA liberals to federal judgeships, including 25 to appellate courts.

If this is "avoiding gun control in order to get re-elected" than imagine what he'll do if he gets a second term. In the very least, more regulations and executive orders governing every aspect of gun and ammo ownership and commerce. In addition, a Democrat Senate would likely sign on to the UN Gun Ban Treaty, lots more proposed gun control legislation and anti-gun judges and up to four more anti-gun Supreme Court justices.

Romney earned a B from the NRA and Obama an F. Romney's record and position on the RKBA is much better than Obama.
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If Mitt For Brains knew anything about what the cornerstone of the Republican Party was he'd never said what he did just AFTER he signed the MA AWB into law. I'm sure someone here will post the video and once you watch it you'll have a hard time using the words Romney and conservative in the same sentence. Her's a couple to get you started.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9Ygw9CQ9po
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APPc_VrXysY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z71V4G2PdJ4&feature=related

I only post these because like many here I'm not delusional enough to think Romney will change much even with Republican control of both houses.
 
Obama's real record, based on votes taken, political associations, and long standing positions, shows that Barack Obama is a serious threat to Second Amendment liberties. Don’t listen to his campaign rhetoric! Look instead to what he has said and done during his entire political career.

http://www.gunbanobama.com/GettheFacts.aspx

FACT: Barack Obama opposes four of the five Supreme Court justices who affirmed an individual right to keep and bear arms. He voted against the confirmation of Alito and Roberts and he has stated he would not have appointed Thomas or Scalia.17

FACT: Barack Obama voted for an Illinois State Senate bill to ban and confiscate “assault weapons,” but the bill was so poorly crafted, it would have also banned most semi-auto and single and double barrel shotguns commonly used by sportsmen.18

FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.1

FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.15

FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.3

FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a 500% increase in the federal excise tax on firearms and ammunition.9

FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.2

FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.4

FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people who use firearms in self-defense.5

FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration.6

FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.

FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.7

FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and “research.”8

FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.9

FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.10

FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.11

FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.12

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.13

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.2

FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.14

FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month handgun purchase restrictions.16

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.9

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.9

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21.9

1. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 219, July 29, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...ote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00219)

2. Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization general candidate questionnaire, Sept. 9, 1996. The responses on this survey were described in “Obama had greater role on liberal survey,” Politico, March 31, 2008. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9269.html)

3. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 217, Kennedy amendment July 29, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...ote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00217)

4. David Wright, Ursula Fahy and Sunlen Miller, "Obama: 'Common Sense Regulation' On Gun Owners' Rights," ABC News' "Political Radar" Blog, http://blogs.abcnews.com, 2/15/08. (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/02/obama-common-se.html)

5. Illinois Senate, SB 2165, March 25, 2004, vote 20 and May 25, 2004, vote 3.

6. “Fact Check: No News In Obama's Consistent Record.” Obama ’08, December 11, 2007. (http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/12/11/fact_check_no_news_in_obamas_c.php)

7. “Candidates' gun control positions may figure in Pa. vote,” Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Wednesday, April 2, 2008, and "Keyes, Obama Are Far Apart On Guns," Chicago Tribune, 9/15/04. (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/s_560181.html)

8. 1998 Joyce Foundation Annual Report, p. 7.

9. “Obama and Gun Control,” The Volokh Conspiracy, taken from the Chicago Defender, Dec. 13, 1999. (http://www.volokh.com/posts/1203389334.shtml)

10. Illinois Senate, May 5, 2002, SB 1936 Con., vote 26.

11. Illinois Senate, March 25, 2003, SB 2163, vote 18.

12. “Clinton, Edwards, Obama on gun control,” Radio Iowa, Sunday, April 22, 2007. (http://learfield.typepad.com/radioiowa/2007/04/clinton_edwards.html)

13. Chicago Tribune blogs, “Barack Obama: NIU Shootings call for action,” February 15, 2008, (http://blogs.trb.com/news/politics/blog/2008/02/barack_obama_comments_on_shoot.html)

14. Barack Obama campaign website: “As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment . . .” (http://www.barackobama.com/issues/urbanpolicy/#crime-and-law-enforcement.)

15. Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes (http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm and http://www.ontheissues.org/IL_2004_Senate_3rd.htm) Oct 21, 2004.

16. Illinois Senate, May 16, 2003, HB 2579, vote 34.

17. United States Senate vote 245, September 29, 2005 and vote 2, January 31, 2006 and Saddleback Forum, August 16, 2008.

18. Illinois Senate Judiciary Committee, March 13, 2003. To see the vote tally go to: http://www.nrapvf.org/Media/pdf/sb1195_obama.pdf.

If Obama Is Pro-Gun, Why Are the Anti-Gun and Anti-Hunting Groups Endorsing Him?

For more info on Obama's record:
http://www.gunbanobama.com/
 
Acujeff said:
If Obama Is Pro-Gun, Why Are the Anti-Gun and Anti-Hunting Groups Endorsing Him?

For more info on Obama's record:
http://www.gunbanobama.com/
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Nobody here ,myself included has said or implied Obama was pro-gun or even close to it.
Just because someone points out Romney's deplorable past regarding gun rights hardly means they support Obama regardless on how hard you spin it.
Watch the videos I posted and then come back and explain to all of us how fully Romney understands RKBA issues. Please understand over 100 NES'ers have tried before and every one of them has failed miserably. You can only spin the facts so much before they start to stink.

Boghog1 said:
Fact the Varmit hunter has said he would ban assault weapons
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Too much for some people around here to grasp.[laugh]
 
ArmedMainer said:
Nobody here ,myself included has said or implied Obama was pro-gun or even close to it.
Just because someone points out Romney's deplorable past regarding gun rights hardly means they support Obama regardless on how hard you spin it.
Watch the videos I posted and then come back and explain to all of us how fully Romney understands RKBA issues. Please understand over 100 NES'ers have tried before and every one of them has failed miserably. You can only spin the facts so much before they start to stink.

Too much for some people around here to grasp.[laugh]
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Some folks, even on this thread, are certainly misrepresenting Obama's record in order to encourage gun-owners to vote for him. Others are misrepresenting Romneys record to discourage voting for him. I don't think that's in the best interests of gun-owners.

Do you think a few statements define a candidate's position? I don't. I think what a politician actually does is much more important.

GW Bush was also often categorized as “a threat to the RKBA” for essentially making the same statements as Romney. We know now Bush was shmoozing the gun control crowd because he appointed two pro-RKBA Justices to the Supreme Court giving us the majority to win Heller and McDonald, the AWB was allowed to expire and much pro-RKBA legislation progress was made during his administration. Bush's actions were much more important to us than his statements.

Gun-owners will have to determine who is best for the RKBA by examining each candidates actual actions and records.

I have already posted links to Romney's detailed records and the results are well documented:
When it was politically expedient to be pro gun control Romney's "actions" only show the opposite.
As Governor of MA he only reduced gun control and signed pro-gun bills into law.
He is campaigning for President on a firm, pro-gun rights position.
He is campaigning on appointing pro-RKBA conservative Supreme Court Justices like Alito, Scalia, Thomas and Roberts.

http://www.goal.org/newspages/romney.html
http://www.mittromney.com/issues/gun-rights
http://www.mittromney.com/issues/courts-constitution

If you have evidence to the contrary please present the facts of his actions and outcomes.

Most gun-owners understand a President Romney will be much better for our gun rights. Obama makes pro-gun statements but all his many well documented actions are anti-gun and will be a serious threat to our RKBA if he gets a second term.
 
Acujeff said:
Do you think a few statements define a candidate's position? I don't. I think what a politician actually does is much more important.
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This circles back to what I said earlier. He's worth voting for because he only talks bad about gun rights but hasn't actually done anything? Except that he signed a bill he thought was worse than it actually was?

There's no reason to see a big distinction between the two. They're both liars and haven't had much opportunity to actually DO much of anything. To argue one is better than the other on 2A can be done based only on the assumption that the R should be better than the D. But as it stands, the line between R and D is a fuzzy one.
 
Acujeff said:
Some folks, even on this thread, are certainly misrepresenting Obama's record in order to encourage gun-owners to vote for him. Others are misrepresenting Romneys record to discourage voting for him. I don't think that's in the best interests of gun-owners..
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Please point them out


Acujeff said:
Do you think a few statements define a candidate's position? I don't. I think what a politician actually does is much more important..
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OK,

Candidate: Let me lie to you until I get in office.
You have to vote for the bill first to see whats in it.

Dude, are you serious ?.

[thinking]
 

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