Milwaukee to dump over 2000 Sig P320s stating safety reasons

[Rockrivr1]

3 unexplained discharges with Sig 320s have the Milwaukee Police Chief dumping over 2000 of these Sigs to be replaced by Glocks. Maybe 3 officers should have kept their fingers off the trigger. Not really buying they "just went off" explanation.

MILWAUKEE —
More than two years after a Milwaukee Police officer's gun would be the first of three to reportedly fire without anyone pulling the trigger, the department agreed to a plan to replace the sidearms many officers deem defective and dangerous.

Flanked by Milwaukee Police Association President Andy Wagner and Mayor Cavalier Johnson, Milwaukee Police Chief Jeffrey Norman made the announcement Monday afternoon that the department would trade in nearly 2,000 Sig Sauer P320 handguns for a gun made by a manufacturer other than Sig Sauer.

Norman said the department, union and city devised a plan to use $450,000 in seized assets from criminal investigations to pay to replace the department's nearly 2,000 P320s with a newer version of the Glock 9 millimeter.

MPD, union, city craft plan to replace 'defective' officer guns

The announcement came more than two years after Milwaukee police officials initially raised concerns about officer safety following the first of what would be three "unexplained discharges."

www.wisn.com

 

[G4Y4HK]

Don't cops everywhere adore their Glocks? Why did they turn away from Perfection in the first place?

 

[DecOFlaherty]

Group Buy?

 

[MAGA99]

How much for the trade ins on aim surplus??

 

[PappyM3]

3 unexplained discharges with Sig 320s have the Milwaukee Police Chief dumping over 2000 of these Sigs to be replaced by Glocks. Maybe 3 officers should have kept their fingers off the trigger. Not really buying they "just went off" explanation.

MPD, union, city craft plan to replace 'defective' officer guns

The announcement came more than two years after Milwaukee police officials initially raised concerns about officer safety following the first of what would be three "unexplained discharges."

www.wisn.com

I have believed for a while that after the initial problems, that Sig just became a blame magnet for negligent discharges. But even P320s with the recall fix have been shown to have gone off inside holsters when the officer wasn’t doing any fingering, with corroborating witnesses.

I’m guessing the reason we haven’t heard about the issue with the M17s/M18s is because of their manual safety. Though, the M17s and M18s have their own issue of rear sight plates flying off.

 

[Reptile]

What model Glocks are they getting?

 

[enbloc]

Get rid of them? Seems like a legit excuse. "I didn't shoot the perp!... The gun did!"

 

[Rockrivr1]

What model Glocks are they getting?

Didn't say, but I'm not a fan of the new M17/18 with the proprietary mags. They should go with the G45. Much better platform.

 

[Reptile]

Didn't say, but I'm not a fan of the new M17/18 with the proprietary mags. They should go with the G45. Much better platform.

I never heard of proprietary mags for Glocks.

Are you referring to Glocks or Sigs?

 

[DarkJoker33]

Beretta apx's.

 

[Sofistocat]

Really? 2.5 hours into this thread and not one "unexplained discharge" joke...

Shameful

 

[SFC13557]

Group Buy?

Yup, so where are the Sigs going? I bought one of the first ones in Ma. without the safety and sent it back for recall but sold it later.

 

[Reptile]

Yup, so where are the Sigs going? I bought one of the first ones in Ma. without the safety and sent it back for recall but sold it later.

Hopefully to metal recycling with the rest of the scrap metal.

Get a Glock and be done with it.

 

[SgtHal75]

Meanwhile at Sig HQ…..

 

[kalash]

I have believed for a while that after the initial problems, that Sig just became a blame magnet for negligent discharges.

Wouldn't surprise me, that's what happened with the P365 - concerns were blown way out of proportion.

 

[jkelly1229]

These are cropping up on aim surplus

Part of me is like yea cheap gun

Other part is like ooo but shoot by itself gun..those are no bueno

 

[Deleted member 12999]

Good. Sig dropped the ball so hard on this and gaslighted everyone.

 

[SgtHal75]

I’m at well over 10k rounds with both my 320’s and I’ve never had even a misfeed. Almost all those rounds are shot from a holster draw including training classes. Not all cops are idiots but some are. And what does a Union do??..protect the weak. Killawaukee is probably looking for more stopping power so they are going with the G22

 

[stinx]

What model Glocks are they getting?

45's

 

[stinx]

I believe Killeen Texas, a 400 man department also got rid of 320's due to several in holster discharges

 

[stinx]

Ones that they can't "Finger"! (A second time!)View attachment 681286

Nasty!!!

 

[Parker Schreiber]

Last month, the union filed a lawsuit against Sig after a cop was shot with a P320 that was in another cop's holster, supposedly while the second cop was searching a damaged vehicle.

Milwaukee police officer accidentally shoots another officer

The officer sustained a non-fatal gunshot wound to his left leg.

www.fox6now.com

Milwaukee police union sues city over firearm safety concerns

The Milwaukee police union filed a lawsuit against the City of Milwaukee demanding the city investigate and replace its Sig Sauer P320 9mm service weapons because of safety concerns.

www.fox6now.com

I have no idea if there's a design flaw or not, but I am having trouble visualizing the positioning of the two cops.

Quoting from the article:

Norman said the department, union and city devised a plan to use $450,000 in seized assets from criminal investigations to pay to replace the department's nearly 2,000 P320s with a newer version of the Glock 9 millimeter.

Civil forfeiture rant aside, those numbers don't add up.

 

[Quite_Exasperated]

Group Buy?

We missed out on the pre-pandemic primer buy, let’s not let this crisis go to waste…

 

[s&w3913]

Just give them model 64 4 inch revolvers and be done with it.

Back in the early 90s when Boston Police transitioned from revolvers to Glocks you heard a lot of negligent discharges of similar stories... But that was a different era.

I don't know about this.. I carry a Sig P365 no safety in a Safariland when working on my beater cars.... Nothing has every happened. Different model of course.

 

[mcshooter]

In

 

[stinx]

Just give them model 64 4 inch revolvers and be done with it.

Back in the early 90s when Boston Police transitioned from revolvers to Glocks you heard a lot of negligent discharges of similar stories... But that was a different era.

I don't know about this.. I carry a Sig P365 no safety in a Safariland when working on my beater cars.... Nothing has every happened. Different model of course.

the 365 is a completely different gun compared to the 320. Take the armorers class at sig, they look the same externally but are different internally.

 

[Broc]

 

[Reptile]

45's

Yup!

Great choice!

They are talking about it on Glock Talk.

 

[G4Y4HK]

Just give them model 64 4 inch revolvers and be done with it.

Back in the early 90s when Boston Police transitioned from revolvers to Glocks you heard a lot of negligent discharges of similar stories... But that was a different era.

I don't know about this.. I carry a Sig P365 no safety in a Safariland when working on my beater cars.... Nothing has every happened. Different model of course.

Bad guys have tooled up much more since the 70s. You got middle school kids walking around with automatic converted Glocks with 33 round sticks, lots of AK pistols and other AR pistols and SBRs gangstas love these days. Cops need their delta force full armament these days and a six shooter with 38s just won't scare the bad guys anymore.

 

[drgrant]

3 unexplained discharges with Sig 320s have the Milwaukee Police Chief dumping over 2000 of these Sigs to be replaced by Glocks. Maybe 3 officers should have kept their fingers off the trigger. Not really buying they "just went off" explanation.

MPD, union, city craft plan to replace 'defective' officer guns

The announcement came more than two years after Milwaukee police officials initially raised concerns about officer safety following the first of what would be three "unexplained discharges."

www.wisn.com

Have you read any of the appendices in the lawsuits then you would understand that it's not just cops pressing the trigger..... there are either serious problems with this gun or posdibly serious holster incompatibility issues that haven't been fully disclosed to people yet..... reading between the lines it's definitely just not user negligence, even if 50% of the lawsuits constitute that...... it's kind of like Cosby's rape claims you know many of them are pure b******* but there's also a big element of Truth to the whole thing at the core.