Mexican gun laws, they blame the US

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Some Basic Facts About Gun Control in Mexico | MexLaw

All arms must be registered with the Secretariat of National Defense Secretaría de la Defensa Nacional | Gobierno | gob.mx in accordance with the Federal Law on Firearms and Explosives.
The Directorate of Commercialization of Arms and Munitions (Dirección de Comercialización de Armamento y Municiones – DCAM) located in Mexico City is the only legally authorized firearms store in the country.

Mexican Gun Control Ensures Cartels Outgun The Good Guys

So, if one is going to pin Mexico's violence problem on "more guns," they have to account for why there are more than five times as many guns in the US, with only a small fraction of the homicides.

Mexican president urges US to enact gun control legislation in response to El Paso shooting

Murders in Mexico rose 33 percent in 2018, Reuters reported in January. Investigators opened more than 33,340 murder cases that year, compared to just over 25,000 in 2017, according to information from the Interior Ministry.

^^^^^ 33,340 MURDERS!!! Not gun deaths. Obviously gun laws work. They blame the USA. Stop all border guns coming from the USA and another country will step up for ILLEGAL GUN SMUGGLING, which is a felony on BOTH SIDES of the border.
 

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Not only are US guns, and US gun owners by association, responsible for all of the bad behavior in Mexico, but Trump himself is a major cause of all of the drug wars and gang killings throughout the western hemisphere. Global warming too. And during the next cooling period he should be blamed for that as well.
 

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You think Mass sucks by limiting what's legally available for citizens to purchase ?, Mexico is far worse.
The maximum caliber allowed is .38, so forget having anything larger such as .40, 10mm, .44 or .45 etc.
Also, no military calibers allowed at all, so 9mm, .308 and .30-06 are verbotten too.
So that leaves very little left to choose from. The most powerful legal handgun chamberings you can own are .357 and .38 Super, which is why .38 Super is still popular in Mexico but nearly obsolete everywhere else.
 

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My understanding is that a lot of the cartels' small-arms firepower comes from members of the police and the military who defect to the cartels and bring their duty weapons with them.
 

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You think Mass sucks by limiting what's legally available for citizens to purchase ?, Mexico is far worse.
The maximum caliber allowed is .38, so forget having anything larger such as .40, 10mm, .44 or .45 etc.
Also, no military calibers allowed at all, so 9mm, .308 and .30-06 are verbotten too.
So that leaves very little left to choose from. The most powerful legal handgun chamberings you can own are .357 and .38 Super, which is why .38 Super is still popular in Mexico but nearly obsolete everywhere else.

From what little I've read on the subject, Mexico used to have a thriving gun culture, and the Mexican constitution has a more-or-less analogue to our Second Amendment. However it's become meaningless, and the gun culture has died out, due to nearly a century's worth of "reasonable" restrictions placed on private ownership of firearms.
 
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You think Mass sucks by limiting what's legally available for citizens to purchase ?, Mexico is far worse.
The maximum caliber allowed is .38, so forget having anything larger such as .40, 10mm, .44 or .45 etc.
Also, no military calibers allowed at all, so 9mm, .308 and .30-06 are verbotten too.
So that leaves very little left to choose from. The most powerful legal handgun chamberings you can own are .357 and .38 Super, which is why .38 Super is still popular in Mexico but nearly obsolete everywhere else.
.38 Special in a revolver and .380 in a semiauto are the largest civilian-legal handgun calibers in Mexico. No .223 allowed, but .22-250 is legal. Doesn't make any sense at all.
 

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.38 Special in a revolver and .380 in a semiauto are the largest civilian-legal handgun calibers in Mexico. No .223 allowed, but .22-250 is legal. Doesn't make any sense at all.

"Nothing in military calibers" is a common restriction, or at least it was. Bans on 9mm Para handguns and ammunition are *really* common. It's one reason for the enduring popularity of the .380ACP (a/k/a "9mm Kurz") round. IIRC there's some chambering like 9x21 that's popular in countries where 9x19 is illegal for civilian use.

This arose because some countries had a problem with corrupt soldiers selling stolen arms and ammunition to organized crime. Ian McCollum (who of all people I trust to do his homework) explains:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yoJqcGUylo&t=1766s


As Ian says, why they chose that route instead of prosecuting soldiers who were funneling stolen goods to organized crime is a mystery.
 

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Gun Control is a mystery.

There's a saying that "For every complicated problem, there's a solution that is simple, easy, obvious, and wrong." For the problem of violence, gun control is that simple, easy, obvious, and wrong solution. Gun control appeals to people who don't think about the problem very hard.
 
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From what little I've read on the subject, Mexico used to have a thriving gun culture, and the Mexican constitution has a more-or-less analogue to our Second Amendment. However it's become meaningless, and the gun culture has died out, due to nearly a century's worth of "reasonable" restrictions placed on private ownership of firearms.
Yes. Interesting. So I looked it up.


Edit. Article 10
Inhabitants of the Republic may, for their protection, own guns and arms in their homes. Only arms approved by the Army may be owned, and federal law will state the manner in which they can be used (Firearms are prohibited from importation into the Republic without proper licensing and documentation. Foreigners may not pass the border with unlicensed firearms; the commission of such act is a felony, punishable by prison term. See Gun politics in Mexico).

I put the important difference in bold. Our second amendment doesn’t say that any legislative body can restrict or limit arms. But obviously I’m preaching to the choir here.

The Mexican constitution is no constitution at all. Because it can all be changed by legislation. What’s the point of a constitution that can be so easily changed?

Of course the people allow it. The fault always lies with the people. Same goes for us.
 

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Well, we knew it was BS, didn’t we? It just turns out that Mexican drug cartels need guns to protect their highly valuable goods and business and get them wherever they can - USA, Pakistan. Russia, China... Go figure.

According to Thomas Kilbride, a retired Department of Homeland Security agent and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) policy adviser, the general assumption has been that the guns got to Mexico from the U.S. predominantly by straw buyers working on behalf of gun-trafficking organizations – meaning the gun was bought illegally by someone on behalf of someone else, or from a private seller without a federal license.

“The parts are vastly hidden in vehicles in many pieces then reassembled in Mexico,” he noted. Also, they’re routinely disguised inside other items such as goods and electronics.The common estimation among officials has been that some 90 percent of guns in Mexico stemmed from the U.S., but such a figure would be ripe for dispute.

“I wouldn’t say that the number is that high. I would say that maybe it will be around 50 percent. The known modus operandi of weapons and money, for drugs, does happen as a transaction. But also, knowing some of the weapon systems available here in Mexico,” Oughton said, “it would suggest that they would be illegally manufactured here, and also [found] their way from other parts of Latin America, Eastern Europe... Russia and China. For me, it’s an impossibility and maybe a bit of political wrangling to lay the full blame at the USA’s door for supply and demand on guns.”

Other high-ranking officials also underscored that the majority of guns these days have been flowing not from the United States, but from the south. “Most cartels buy in bulk, and the weapons are coming from places like Nicaragua and other South American countries. Also Asia and some from the Middle East,” a Tijuana-based police authority who requested anonymity explained. “And, another factor is the CNC machines making uppers in clandestine shops in Mexico.”

According to recent Fortress intelligence assessments, an increase in surveillance on Mexico’s northern border has meant criminal groups have had to open new arms-trafficking routes from Central America to the center of Mexico, especially into Tepito – making it the largest underground weapons distribution center in the countr
y.”
Where does Mexico really get its guns?
 

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Might be able to get away with blaming the US for the demand for drugs and keeping them illegal. This keeps the cartels alive economically.

But that is where it end. Mexico is corrupt as all get up. And disarming the law abiding won’t stop criminals from getting weapons.

Blaming the US is assinine but not unprecedented. MA blames NH, DC blames VA, Shitcago blames IN, etc. notice that all of the blames are 100 X safer than the blamers!
 
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