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Massachusetts high court rules child rapist can be freed

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  1. mikeyp

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    Wayne Chapman, admitted to molesting over 100 kids

    Massachusetts high court rules child rapist can be freed | Boston.com

    BOSTON (AP) — The highest court in Massachusetts has ruled that a convicted child rapist in his 70s can no longer remain civilly committed because two mental health professionals have ruled he is no longer sexually dangerous.

    The Supreme Judicial Court on Thursday ruled that Wayne Chapman must be released based on the state’s sexually dangerous person law, and rejected arguments from the state attorney general who said it should be up to juries or a judge to decide whether the mental health professionals got it right.

    Chapman was convicted in 1977 of sexually assaulting young boys from the Lawrence area. His prison term ended in 2004, but he remained civilly committed until last summer.
     
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    And all he had to do was to promise to vote democrat. Jack.
     
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    What does it mean to be "civilly committed"?

    That's a new (and scary) one for me.
     
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    That important moment was captured here:

    View: https://youtu.be/C9Pw0xX4DXI
     
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    Some crimes just don't warrant forgiveness from society. Rape and child molestation definitely fitting the bill. Just because someone can be rehabilitated, doesn't mean they deserve the chance to. Can't go back and erase what was done.
     
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    He should be free, hanging by a rope free from the ground, for all to see what happens to all sexual crimes .
     
  7. Dennis in MA

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    Tough call. The sentence in the 70's was completed in 2004. He's been incarcerated beyond his sentence. What country is this?

    Now, what side are we on? The side that protects kids no matter what the law is? Or the one that respects the law? Does the person that "stops" this a-hole from being a predator again get jail time? Do we believe in the rule of law?

    Oh sure, 3 internet tough guys will say, "well, I'd bury him in the back yard and not mention it." OK. Great. I'm with you. But do we stop the 2A because of a school shooting? Should we not?? DO WE NOT HAVE RULE OF LAW? I hate this guy, but I'd fight for his right to get out because it could be me or you next. And I'd have to take thrice-daily showers because of it.

    Change the law. And we should all take turns watching this dirt-bag for the next 20 years. Sign me up for an overnight.
     
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    His original sentence should have been life. But it was not, and keeping someone beyond their sentence is not right. Again, not that I think this guy should be out, but they also shouldn't be able to adjust his sentence after the fact either.
     
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    As mentioned previously, it’s the court system- not the justice system. Before the liberals got involved with ‘forgiveness’ and all that crap, this guy would have been hung after a trial in the town meetinghouse. That is if the parents even let him get that far.

    Any victim or family of a victim gets an automatic Not Guilty from me / even with a Facebook post about what they are going to do, a video of them doing it and a confession afterwards. It’s called Jury Nullification.
     
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    Exactly right. The term "civilly committed" scares me.

    Obviously this person is a waste of life, but if you serve your sentence and are still being held then there is a problem. Either change the law, give harsher sentences, or adhere to the decision and sentence. We cant have it both ways.....

    Before I am attacked, I want to reiterate that i believe this man is scum and likely deserved a life sentence. But he didnt, so we need to honor his sentence. Civil commitment beyond a completed sentence should scare all of us.
     
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    Hanging from a rope but not around his neck.
     
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    Agree you can't double jeopardy after he serves his sentence. The issue is he should have gotten the death penalty at conviction.
     
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    I guess now we get to see if any of those now-grown kids have nothing left to lose.
     
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    He served his sentence and then some. Wasn't he kept longer due to playing with himself in front of female guards? I think that was the guy. In any event how did he survive prison in the first place?

    If he had done that to one of my kids (if I had any) I would have been sure justice was served.
     
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    “Despite Thursday’s decision, Chapman remains jailed on $25,000 bail for allegedly exposing himself to prison staff last June.”

    Glad to know he is no longer a “sexually dangerous”.

    Bob
     
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    I don’t think that’s how it works

    Edit: just saw he completed his sentence. Not sure why he’s still locked up.

    So...I still don’t think that’s how it works.
     
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    Seeing that might be how they know he's not sexually dangerous. ;)
     
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    Let's be clear he wasn't just held beyond his sentence he completed his sentence and was then found to be sexually dangerous and was committed for that reason. There's a process to this with witnesses and there was a judge involved.

    So he wasn't just kept locked up.

    And let's be honest, we need a way to lock up the really crazy. The issue is how do we make that determination. Where it's questionable we have to wait and see. But there will be cases where there is no question. So, again, how do we figure this out?
     
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    Maybe a 2 strikes and you’re dead rule for child rapists?
     
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    what would you use to make sure two strikes were enough to be dead
     
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    Personally I think he should have originally been sentenced to freedom to breathe all the air he wanted to out of a plastic bag secured over his head. I also think that "civil commitment" is the beginning of the slope to being sent to "re-education camp" for correction of "wrong-think". Incarceration for ANY reason without due process just isn't ok. And yeah, he's scum and always will be.
     
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    mental-health-standards.pdf | Mass.gov
    Looks like due process to me.
     
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    Probably legal, just smacks too much of gulags and "re-education". Today it's legit things like rape, tomorrow will it be political dissent? Or maybe xenophobic incarceration a la WWII internment camps? Or religious persecution? Just because .gov makes a policy doesn't make it "right". In fact, I'd argue that most arbitrary gov policies are inherently not right.

    And no, I'm not nearly smart enough to solve this particular riddle. But the slippery slope is clearly slippery.
     
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    This discussion shouldn't even be happening .
    The guy raped a 100 little boys and is the prime suspect in the disappearance and death of at least one other.
    His oxygen intake should have ended decades ago.
     
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    Someone should FOI the bills for this guy too. By Bill I mean, how much has been spent on his extended stay.

    Every time his name is mentioned, the total cost of keeping him around should be immedatly after his name.

    I'm glad due process is being followed. And glad it exists.

    Why put these guys in jail with great food, cable TV and books and medical treatment when there are cheaper ways of keeping people contained.

    Every one of those people should be working hard for their own food. If they choose to not work, we shouldn't be paying for their vacations from society
     
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    If they’re going to let him go, they should also be required to take turns letting him live with them.
     
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    this ruling is a moot point, as he is held on 25K cash bail on other charges.

    Unless his lawyer invokes the recent court ruling that bail can not be excessive for the resources available to the defendant, at which point he will be released on personal recognizance

    I would think that placing him in General Population at Walpole or Souza-Baranowski would be the next step.... maybe he would get the John J. Geoghan special.

     

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