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Massachusetts' gun registry
- Thread starter Contramnky
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Heard just tonight - Boston PD calling in a car that was driving erratically. Someone called in the plate so they looked up who it was registered to. Said he had a LTC and several weapons in his name. Haven't heard anything else about it, must not have found em.
In God We Trust
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Tell that to the guys on massc0ps.com who run "whacker" plates and publicly post the results to the forum.
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I too am wondering this. How exactly does this information make its way from when I purchase a gun to the laptop in a police car (as in which agency shares what data with which and is it legal to do so)? Who else can this information be shared with? Can this be handed out to anyone? It seems like this information is being carelessly shared and assumptions being made (as in ordered out of my car at gunpoint for speeding, just because I own guns).
Man I hate this state.
Gents (and ladies, if there were any),
I'm glad my OP spurred such interesting and important conversation. I hope this both sheds light upon (and due to a few informative posts) sets some fears at ease.
Either way, thanks as always for increasing my situational understanding of the matter.
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I'm glad my OP spurred such interesting and important conversation. I hope this both sheds light upon (and due to a few informative posts) sets some fears at ease.
Either way, thanks as always for increasing my situational understanding of the matter.
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I can tell you that the only place that the data is stored is FRB, so they allowed a tie-in to CJISweb. The only exception to the privacy of gun owner/license info is for law enforcement purposes and that would fit the exemption short of a court case claiming that fishing expeditions don't meet the law enforcement purpose. That would go nowhere in a MA court, but I have no idea if a carefully (emphasis here) crafted case would get traction in a Fed Court on Constitutional grounds. I'll leave that to our Comm2A folks to comment on whether this is a possibility or not.
1903Collector
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I'm going to listen to my scanner a lot more now!
jaypap
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I just love sending in FA-10's to the Criminal System History Board, the people at the Post Office look at you like your a criminal.
That's the address and that's what the think of us.
That's the address and that's what the think of us.
1903Collector
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So I can assume that every time fire/police come to my house because my elderly live in mother in law hits the "I've fallen and I can't get up" button, said fire/police get told an LTC holder lives there an what guns I own? Twenty five years of buying/selling firearms......hope they got a big screen!
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1903Collector
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Another question, what if a person no longer has an LTC, does the "list" still come up when they run your info?
I've been told by a LEO with CJISweb in his cruiser that it lists any licenses you EVER had (even if expired), so I'd expect it to still show the guns too.
As someone who has had to call 911 twice, and current holder of LTC (at least in a green town), I haven't had any issues. ...And the media would have a reporter-gasm to the # of firearms I have "registered".
TOM1960
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Easy. If you purchase from a MA dealer, the dealer fills out the forms and submits them to the MA bureaucrats electronically. If you do a face-to-face sale in-state, the FA-10 that you submit goes into the gun registry in Chelsea. If you purchase out of state and submit a FA-10, your our of state purchase gets registered. Who is it shared with? Everyone and his brother, apparently. I have heard of news reporters getting their mitts on this data, most likely illegally. My ex's scumbag attorney tried to do the same, since she knew some cops, but the "list" under my name and FID number had zero entries. That is because I purchased all firearms out of state and did not register them in MA. Believe me, such data would definitely have been used against me in court!
When I got back from Europe in 1985 I had USA [US Army] plates. I was allowed to keep them for 30-180 days - don't recall. Cops would stop traffic and wave me through. I had an unmarked car pull up behind me on the Mass Pike when I was doing about 80, sit there for a sec, then pulled over again without stopping me. Wuz fun.
Quiet
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I wonder if the NSA could get the FISA court to permit/require the dissemination of gun purchases/background checks from ATF for collection and storage for future use.
Just because the laws the ATF follows prohibits them from storing and maybe even disseminating the info, I'll bethcya dollars to doughnuts that the NSA/FISA court could overrule that on national security grounds.
Just for storage in case a foreign entity was found to be involved in the transaction of course.
Then again, they already know when you've been to your gun shop and how often and with whom via your cell phone records, and probably what you've bought by your credit card and/or banking and/or Dick's Rewards records so does it really matter?
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Who's to say they aren't recording the phonecalls to NICS already?
Quiet
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Exactly
We had that exact scenario last Wednesday night. Homeowners LTC expired in 2003, 3 pistols and 1 shotgun showed up on the list (that doesnt exist). 2 were confiscated, and the other 2 were leant to his brother.
Looks like this is still true to this day. Bringing an old thread to life again. Son got a restraining order. Listed on it were the three serial numbers of the guns he owns and was told he has half hour to produce them and turn them into the station if not on the premise. Registry is true.
Portagee
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Mesatchornug
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Assuming a 209A restraining order, no. Deliver to police; do not pass Go; do not collect $200.
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