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Mass Immigration Is Driving Democrats To Full Electoral Dominance

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  1. Tallen

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    1. They are hard core for corruption and nepotism. D wheelhouse.
    2. They are hard core drug manufacturers and runners. D wheelhouse.
    3. They are hard core against armed citizens (exceptions for #1 & 2). D wheelhouse.
    4. They are hard core socialists - more taxes more better, more laws more better. D wheelhouse.
     

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    GTFO, please get the f*** out!

    you are quoting a f***ing study from 20 years ago and just hoping that no one is going to click on the f***ing link to call you out.

    This is total 100% pile of steaming bullshit that illegals coming over the southern border by millions are as law obedient as American citizens. 3rd word shithole is now equal in crime rate as US.

    And you know what else? How is that all the libtards who endlessly bitch about "discriminashun" don't want to live with all the immigrants from the third world shitholes? Barry sends his kids to a private school and got a wall around his crib. So does Pelosi. Everything single mentally defective liberal a**h*** preaches to bring 3rd world scum to someone else's backyard.
     
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    They vote for the same policies they ran from. Fools all of them.
     
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    The next thing that you two will tell us is that MS-13 is aligned with Habitat for Humanity. [laugh]
     
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    Somehow the GOP has failed, but it's had some help. Having grown up in the south and witnessed the transformation from blue to red in my lifetime, it's always been obvious to me that if there was a "party of racism" it was the Democratic Party, which is not to say that all Democrats in all places were predominately racist, but in the south, it was exactly so. The south transformed from being predominately Democrat to predominately Republican as it became less racist. Democrats have consistently lied about this, claiming that the racists switched parties due to the Civil Rights Act of 1964. There is no evidence to support this contention, and in fact evidence against it is clear and obvious, such as the fact that the transformation did not actually occur until the 1980's, and the number of Democratic politicians who changed sides was vanishingly small. And yet, I will just bet you that 99.9% of the legal and illegal immigrants in this country think Democrats are the party against racism and the Republicans are the party in favor of it, contradicting the historical record, and I would argue contradicting the actual fact of the matter. That false imputation makes it easy for immigrants to justify selling their souls for the handouts and social support that Democrats seek to provide them.
     
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    Racism? Well, who is most pre-occupied with race and PC and racial equality? If Demonrats could not see race they would go nuts. Who screams racism, leverages race to their advantage, fights for racial quotas? Every single D driven agenda is infused with acute division by race ethnicity and religion. This is their main leverage.
     
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    Exactly, the D's are obsessed with race, its literally all they see.
     
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    The bottom line is you have a bunch of immigrants who are into their identity and have tribalist views coming into a country where most of the native stock (Americans of European stock) do not and around these subjects lightly while pretending it doesn't matter because somehow everyone will assimilate and adopt American values (like 2A). America was built with a common stock. Period end of story. This influx from the whole world is quite new.
     
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    That’s their plan since the early 70
     
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    The US turned into a melting pot only when immigration was curtailed in the 20's - without new immigrants to focus the foreign cultural areas, each generation adopted new cultural ideals guided by the massive wealth generation in the 50's.

    As far as illegals and crime - the rate would be zero if they were in their home country as they should be.
     
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    The desire for free stuff from the govt and fair taxes(*) transcends all religious, racial and ethnic boundaries.

    * Definition:
    Fair tax - One that someone else pays
     
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    Not always true.....

    Older generations including my grand parents were adamant about not being dependent/not taking govt cheese.

    The Obama administration worked hard with a massive campaign to break down cultural barriers of communities that rejected govt cheese.....do a search for "Mountain Pride"

    Food Boxes Over Food Stamps? Now Wait a Minute... | Daniel J. Mitchell

    Breaking Mountain Pride and the SNAP Program

    Planners are going to plan.....and when they fail the planners face no consequences for bad/poor decisions......the taxpayer does.....then the planners go back to making more bad plans
     
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    They have a strong in group preference, that's it. Family first, then Mexican, Latino and last and very least the US.

    Most of their Catholicism is cultural, not based on a deep faith.
     
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    When Push comes to Shove, just remember,

    We have the Guns and We'll make the Rights...
     
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    I just wish the left would stop shoving and leave us peaceful people alone to live our lives so no one has to consider any of the less pleasant options
     
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    You are throwing out a lot of generalizations to dispute my point case? (Have to ask as it seems you just threw some canned response to my comment)

    Every candidate running for national office at the moment seems to be a near catastrophic compromise on some issue for most voters unless they are what I would call a "party fan". So the guy in my point case picked what he was compromising on and chose who he voted for.

    What I am asserting is that if someone (immigrant or native born) meets the following two things then I can at least work with dealing with them:

    a) Work to support themselves and their families
    b) Apply intelligence and analysis to think hard about who they choose to use the power of their vote to support

    You don't need to look that far to find people who are so far from an informed voter they almost need the party to pin who to vote for to their shirt and walk them to the polling location. Heck one of my Sister in Laws was a full on HillDawg fan and was all geared up for the primary AND THEN SHOWED UP ON THE WRONG DAY! But she is a native born American so I guess irrelevant to your ranting.

    My point in talking about the overall case is I don't know what the split is between those who are taking an honest interest in guiding the country and those who are just in it for the free swag.

    The guy I was talking about from India probably keeps distance between him and the R party because the people he sees all look a lot like the "well meaning missionaries" that drove his family out of multiple places while trying to convert them. Also he is a gun owner because "If they need a gun, then I need a gun." and he supports the 2a he just doesn't always support it above all else so he (mistakenly) chooses to vote for D candidates in national elections.

    Instead of railing against immigrants feeding the D machine, I spend my time talking to people who vote that way and planting seeds in their head about how the party should change their platform. I don't care about D or R specifically, but I cannot stand people who are just "party fans" who fail to even understand the platform they shill.
     
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    They can't help themselves .
    The goal is to rule not serve.

    I remember seeing a some dope picking a fight with a guy I knew.
    The guy didn't want to fight this dope .
    He didn't want to fight at all.
    The dope kept pushing and pushing and when he figured that wasn't working he started shit with the guy's wife.
    Somewhere in the middle of probably the most epic ass whipping the dope ever had in his life he says to the other guy "Ok I've had enough"
    The guy who didn't want to fight in the first place tells him "NOW, I'LL tell you when you've had enough."

    Let's hope we can all remain civil .
     
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    Only our side is currently civil - need further clarification
     
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    Saying that immigrants vote Democrat is not a generalization - the evidence is in and the evidence is clear - Cipher's post only highlights it even more.

    I can go find the article that came out recently talking about how something like 65% of immigrant led households are on government assistance if you want to debate the "free swag" portion of this issue.

    "Immigrant led households" should have a "on government assistance" rate of some number close to ZERO. There's absolutely NO point in bringing people into the country just to stick them on welfare.

    Your example of your sister in law showing up for the election on the wrong day - is pretty much the argument that left is making when they defend immigration " We don't like the people who live here already and we think they're stupid - so we're bringing in new people to replace them"
     
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    Are the Republicans being hostile to these groups - or are these groups just naturally voting Democrat - because the Democrat party is the party of identity politics?

    I believe you've got a chicken and egg problem there. And the evidence pretty squarely points towards the identity politics piece taking precedence over EVERYTHING else.
     
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    Exactly.

    I've seen absolutely NO evidence that the right wing is *inherently* discriminatory to immigrants - ESPECIALLY when those immigrants make an effort to integrate into the country and embrace it's foundational values.
     
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    Why, of course there is - so they can vote Donk! [grin]
     
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    The problem is that in this country - literally EVERYTHING has been politicized. Which means that unless you spend copious amounts of time following ALL of the issues AND the detailed voting records of all the people you're voting for - it's literally impossible to not be just taking a blind chance every single time you cast your vote.

    I believe some people have fully evaluated that situation and have come to the conclusion that it's all just a complete waste of time.

    ESPECIALLY when you consider that you could be one of those extremely informed voters , who just spent every waking minute of free time you had actually being informed - and you could then go to the polls, cast your vote - and have it mean nothing in the end because of the vote cast opposite to yours by some illegal alien who was bused over to the local polling station by the local Democrat "community organizers" - and told which little boxes to check off.

    You : Spends hundreds of hours researching issues and following record of candidates. Votes for guy who says he'll lower taxes and build a wall on the border

    Pablo the illegal: Can't speak English, given driver's license so he can commute to his job picking vegetables, uses drivers license to vote in local election after being bused there by Democrat "Get out the Vote!!" campaign.

    Verdict: Pablo wins. Not only because the candidate he voted for won the election, but also because he didn't piss away something like 500 hours last year being an "informed voter" - to NO EFFECT.
     
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    My parents are immigrants from Hungary. I am first generation American. We are all conservatives, despite coming from a communist country. Why? Well it has nothing to do with the disjointed message of our Republican politicians. It has to do with our upbringing. We have simple values. Take care of your kids, your elderly parents and relatives, and your friends. Work hard and take responsibility for your actions. Do not live beyond your means. Do the things you enjoy if you can. Mind your own business and respect the idea that others may want to do things that you want nothing to do with; that's okay. If you screw up, it is your responsibility to make it right. Do not take free crap offered to you by government or anybody else; there are always strings attached. If you want it, work for it. My parents never took welfare, and trust me, we had some lean times when I was a kid. It did not matter because we had each other and no matter what the conditions, we had fun.

    These used to be conservative values, and to a large degree still are, if you are truly a conservative. These ideas cannot exist if you are a liberal.

    The type of immigration we are seeing today is a big problem. If we created hurdles, like education, work skills, etc., the picture would be very different. It is not a race issue, or a religion issue. It is a values issue. Our government is intentionally diluting our society and we are doing nothing about it. It is painful to watch. I just pray I am dead by the time it all goes to hell. Unfortunately, we are eroding at an exponential rate.
     
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    I've met quite a few people from ex-communist Eastern European countries (that includes Russia) - and in my experience many of them are more "American" than a good many of the people born and raised here and whose forebears have been here for generations.

    I don't know why that is - maybe it's because they have seen the other side and were exposed to the vision of what this country was supposed to stand for?
     
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    Hungary had it good, there were even Porno mags in Poland, something that was taboo in the Soviet Union.

    On the question of socialism and being told what to do, a lot of these Cambridge idiots don't understand that in socialism/communism you are told about everything, I shit you not, haircuts (copying western capitalist culture), how you dress (should not wear jeans because again it's sympathizing to the rotten capitalist culture)

    You literally have a f***ing 3rd world society where you could be fired from your job for having a long haircut (for men) and wearing jeans. If people in US feel oppressed by regulation, they know nothing about shitty hellhole that most of the socialist countries were like. No individual choices, no freedom for anything. POS like Sanders and Cortex would not survive in the world they are trying to build.

    I was talking to a Georgian x-Soviet at work. We were swapping stories about soviet hell hole and which of our relatives went to which Gulags. I have nothing but burning hate for POS like Cortex, f***ing slime below the spit on the sidewalk. She needs a helicopter ride and I'd f***ing strap her in without any regrets.
     
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    The crazy thing is some of them do. I've had conversations with some that aspire to a totally socially-engineered society. Maybe they don't fully comprehend what that means, or that by being on top, they'll be immune. Unfortunately, Trotsky thought the same thing and got an ice pick to the brain.
     
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