SgtUSMC8541 said:
Nickel,
Ok….You liked the book? Great. Gald you enjoyed it. As for SOCNet, did I invite you to join? No. If you want to, go ahead, if you don’t, then fine. I really could care less. Posers? As I stated, I know many of the members and most before they post get vetted by others. Who are you?
Ok, so you know A LOT about firearms and the Army/Army Guard in general. This is a book about the Marine Corps, not the Army and is very specific not “general”.
Now on to Gunny Hathcock (please note the spelling of his name) I have never heard he had the highest kill count in Nam. I do KNOW that he was given credit for the highest in the Marine Corps. Now Chuck Mawhinney has the highest for the Corps in Vietnam. The Army deployed their snipers in a much different fashion than the Marine Corps (as I am sure you know due to your general knowledge of the Army/Army Guard) and have a much higher kill count than the Marines.
Maybe I am missing something but…. and CPL Mark Evnin? Care to expand on this?
When it comes down to it, some on this site asked a question. I gave them a place to go to get another perspective on it. You decided to become negative in your response. That’s fine. It’s America and you can say what you want. Luckily in America, I don’t have to listen.
Semper FI and have a great day.
Oh, I'm sure most there at SOCNet are the real deal, as to what they say. I am the real deal as to what I claim my past is. Just a Maintenance guy that got around, and learned a LOT, both self-taught and from others. I probably won't join, but appreciate the link to the site. It isn't lost on me. I just don't want to get dragged into pissing contests against posers and idiots (there's bound to be a few there). I've essentially left a firearms forum for those reasons. I got called out by a couple of morons that figured they're right if they insult people enough (headspacing a military M14). You undoubtedly know the type I'm talking about, since you're an NCO or a prior service NCO. I'm sure you understand my feelings.
Pardon my misspelling Gunny Hathcock's name. I know better, but it was poor keyboarding. But, that bein g said, I have heard claims before that he had the highest confirmed. That's not right, as both you and I know, and, if Carlos was alive himself, I'm sure he'd be the first to say so. I don't personally know him, but am well studied. And only one Army Sniper had a confirmed over 90, Waldron. I see you're up on that as well. That's a good thing.
Did you know there is a guy that's been trying to get Hathcock the MOH he deserves, for the incident on the AMTRAC? That guy I do know, it's Dave Brennan, and he did a few years in the Army in the real late 60's, IIRC. The same Dave Brennan that does Precision Shooting magazine, and an ex-Bench Rest shooter.
Just so you know, I figured there was a fair amount of "fluff" in what Coughlin wrote, and initially I took the book as part fiction, due to a few flaws in his facts (which I won't go into, they're not worth discussion, as you well know). I started figuring out there might be a moderate amount of fact in it, when I saw the reference to CPL Evnin. Mark was a local kid up my way, and was KIA in Apr 2003 in Iraq. I just want the folks over at the other forum to know that the kid was real, and at least a decent kid before he went into the Corps (I have NO knowledge of what he was like in the Corps, good or bad). Now, if Coughlin is making false claims about himself, and it's provable, he needs to be exposed.
And just so we don't get off on the wrong foot, I was more commenting on what some over at the other site had done (I read your post, you seem to be OK). My opinion is that Coughlin was miffed that they checked up on him. It looked like some info came from his personnel files. IF that's the case, the ones who looked into them are WRONG. I've been in that situation, the intended victim of an unjustified "witch hunt", and it's not fun.
And also remember, I throw barbs at Marines, get used to it, since in reality, I have a lot of respect for the Corps. I'll also get miffed if you DON'T throw barbs back.
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Not only that, but I do think that some of it has to do with the "well being" of the individual sniper as well as the public. When a regualr Marine/Soldier etc gets in a firefight, there are alot of rounds going down range and it is easier for the individual to not have to claim that they killed someone. "It might have been the other guys bulet that did it etc." By not keep accurate records on this we can never have it thrown in our faces that "During OIF 1,2 and 3, US Marine Snipers killed 934 people (I am sure it is much higher than that)" Snipers are a sergical weapon. An infantry company, bombs, artliery, are much more of an area weapon. Snipers are peronal.
