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Maricopa County Sheriffs Office Missing 50 NFA Weapons
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So.
Any time an army company (or troop, battery, whatever) changes command, there’s a 100% layout of all the sensitive items, firearms... every bit of the company property is accounted for by the outgoing and incoming commanders. That way, shortfalls are guaranteed to be addressed and, as importantly, the incoming commander isn’t signing for shit he isn’t certain exists.
This Penzone dude became sheriff, what, a couple years ago? He’s telling us that in all that time, he’s never once done an eyes-on inspection of his arms room? Or, sure, it’s a big department, but his captains and lieutenants haven’t been accounting for these items?nCould he conceivably be that stupid?
I’ll agree with him that Sheriff Joe did some crazy shit in his time, and frankly I wouldn’t be surprised if Arpaio lost track of all fifty guns. But TWO YEARS LATER, you don’t get to keep blaming him for your department’s lack of accountability.
Any time an army company (or troop, battery, whatever) changes command, there’s a 100% layout of all the sensitive items, firearms... every bit of the company property is accounted for by the outgoing and incoming commanders. That way, shortfalls are guaranteed to be addressed and, as importantly, the incoming commander isn’t signing for shit he isn’t certain exists.
This Penzone dude became sheriff, what, a couple years ago? He’s telling us that in all that time, he’s never once done an eyes-on inspection of his arms room? Or, sure, it’s a big department, but his captains and lieutenants haven’t been accounting for these items?nCould he conceivably be that stupid?
I’ll agree with him that Sheriff Joe did some crazy shit in his time, and frankly I wouldn’t be surprised if Arpaio lost track of all fifty guns. But TWO YEARS LATER, you don’t get to keep blaming him for your department’s lack of accountability.
one-eyed Jack
Manufacturer
All ATF could do to "help" is to get the list of all NFA stuff registered to the department from NFA branch. Jack.
We account for every firearm, ammo, and issued sensitive gear every quarter. It's a PITA, but I guess now I understand.
"Lets form a posse and give automatic weapons to anyone that answers our craigslist add no questions asked. What could go wrong?"
I wonder if they decided to count NVGs and ballistic vests yet or if that's another surprise coming down the pike
I wonder if they decided to count NVGs and ballistic vests yet or if that's another surprise coming down the pike
It’s possible but I doubt it. More likely that either
1. It’s ignorance, not stupidity.
2. He was being intentionally deceived.
3. He was indeed aware,
- of it being missing
- how/why it’s missing
- who took it
Possibly, but none of that matters. It's his department. He's in charge. The buck stops with him. If weapons are missing, it's his fault without any equivocation.
He's a retired city cop; he knows this. And he's had two years to account for these items. The OP's article says he was, indeed, aware of 29 missing firearms, but he only just found out about the other 21?
Lucky thing for him he's elected, and by voters stupid enough to keep falling for Arpaio's stunts. This won't matter to them, either.
one-eyed Jack
Manufacturer
Don't they have a friggin file cabinet that has a friggin folder in it that is marked: Friggin Registration forms for all friggin NFA items? A 10 yo could keep track of the inventory. I think that maybe ATF should audit all agencies that have NFA stuff like they do with us 01s and 07s. Jack.
Is this the same Sheriff who changed the policy of turning over illegals to ICE that was in place when Sheriff Joe ran the department? After 2 years he just "discovered" this??? Sounds a lot like this is a "political announcement".
So it seems the new guy is a liberal or at least anti conservative. Based on some of the other factors hes likely anti 2a (at least for us peons)... and we are to belive his dept lost track of 30 automatic weapons? Hell why does his department have ANY "weapons of war"? The whole thing sounds like political set up.
HorizontalHunter
NES Member
Now I know why there is a “What to do if you found a machine gun thread” running.
Bob
Bob
It probably was noticeable. But if there isn’t any accountability you don’t care.
dhuze
NES Member
Wait, they knew they were missing some, but it’s more than they thought? If you knew there were firearms missing wouldn’t you immediately do an inventory to see what and how many were missing?
Maybe an officer just took them and sold them to a dealer. I hear they don’t get prosecuted for that.
Maybe an officer just took them and sold them to a dealer. I hear they don’t get prosecuted for that.
With 50 missing it’s an almost certainty that a cop or cops stole them or at least some of them.
dhuze
NES Member
Don't be stupid!
He doesn't keep them he sells them to Mexican Cartels and blames it on U.S. gun owners.
Funny how that story of gun owners supplying the guns to Mexico disappeared. Along with the illegal guns he let the cartels buy.
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My thinking is that perhaps as few as one or two people were involved and took one at first. When nothing was said they took another, and another....
Cap'n Mike
NES Member
I wonder if they were maybe surplus Goverment M16s the department got through the LESO Program.
Many PDs got them and converted them to semi auto, but the forbidden hole remains, so its still a Machine gun.
Many PDs got them and converted them to semi auto, but the forbidden hole remains, so its still a Machine gun.
