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March 14th National school walkout

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by GaryO, Feb 27, 2018.

  1. 10thSFFD

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    Update on Somerville students and their activist parents:

    Chet Patton-Hock, 16, an 11th-grader, was holding a sign that read: “America Demands Gun Reform.” He said his parents were supportive of his decision to take part in Wednesday’s demonstration.

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    Parents named his brother Mao.

    On Tax Day, a step toward equality

    Something healthy is afoot in Somerville
     
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  2. GaryO

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    The Franklin Superintendent is send out an email tonight. I sent an email that was a version of Robjax email and hope i get a response.
     
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    Here is the response from the super and the letter from the school.





    Hello and thank you for your inquiry.


    I will be sending a communication this afternoon to families regarding what we are hearing about the buzz and rumors about a walkout on March 14. It will contain more information about the planned response from our schools to something that is generating from student groups across the nation.


    If you are not signed up to receive notifications from the district, please let me know and I will forward it to you at this address.


    Kind Regards,
    Sara Ahern

    Next...
    February 28, 2018


    Dear Franklin Public Schools Families of Middle and High School Students,


    The tragedy in Parkland, Florida on February 14 and other losses of life on school campuses across the nation over several years have caused increased interest in student-led civic engagement and actions, including the idea of school walkouts. Franklin Public Schools supports students’ Constitutional rights to peaceful assembly and free expression.



    We have been keeping apprised to social media messages and are aware of a student-led walkout being planned for Wednesday, March 14 in schools across the country. As of the writing of this letter, student groups have reached out to administrators at the middle level and at Franklin High School. We respect and support the right of our students to advocate for causes that are important to them and we welcome the opportunity to work with student groups to discuss appropriate and creative ways to do so while at school. We also recognize and support that there will be students who do not want to participate. Our goal in responding to walk-out plans and other forms of peaceful assembly is to try and keep the focus on teaching and learning, while providing guidance and planning to support student and staff safety.


    We encourage you to talk with your child/children about how they may be feeling and the importance of expressing themselves in appropriate ways at school. It’s important to know that disorderly conduct that disrupts operations is not acceptable and will be handled compassionately but firmly as outlined within the Code of Conduct in our student handbooks.



    Administrators will be responding to students’ ideas over the coming days. As more information is available about what is being planned, we will issue further communications to keep parents and guardians informed.



    Please contact your child’s/children’s building principal with specific questions.



    Sincerely,

    Sara E. Ahern, Ed.D.

    Superintendent of Schools

    I sent a follow up

    Frankly I am disappointed in your kowtowing to a group that wants brainwash chidren. Children go to school to learn ,not to become activists. Will it be acceptable for some kids to hold a pro gun or anti abortion rally at shool with the blessings of the administration? If not, why?

    Gary Olbrys
     
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  4. drgrant

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    Problem is in america that incompatibility doesn't split cleanly across geographical lines- outside of a dozen or so large square blood red states, and a half a dozen or so full on coastal moonbat states, the rest of them are kinda "wonky". So who gets to decide what they become?

    Also, its cute that you think that someone is going to assume the role of "the united states of america" and the federal government and collect the taxes for that entity, etc, and nobody is going to have a gunfight
    about that, lol.

    Not to mention, even with all the gonads and strife going on in our fabric of society, generally speaking its still too comfortable for most people to care enough about that aspect of
    it. If 8 years of Obama (and a slammed in socialist healthcare system) wasn't enough to induce this balkanization, that means that things are gonna have to get a lot more unpleasant before that
    road gets considered.

    About the only way we could see balkanization without a war is if the states all collectively decided to reduce the influence and power of the federal government, and restore more power to the
    states, through various means. Then things like "gun laws" "a word" etc, wouldn't matter so much because the states would just make their own decisions... problem with that idea is, while that would be
    the best way to balkanize, do you really think the moonbats are going to allow that? It would result in a war the same way it did in the 1860s. Although a fun circuitous shortcut would be if there was a military coup, and then the military decided that, instead of starting a huge pointless war, the issues could largely be resolved by killing or imprisoning a bunch of moonbat leaders, to allow the nation to "cool off" and "reset". Of course this has been forestalled for probably the better part of the last half century or so. There's a very good reason why guys like General Patton died in a "mysterious jeep accident", because someone with a set of brass balls like he had, would have probably gone "third way" on such an issue.

    -Mike
     
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    Keep in mind the incumbent entity gets to collect the taxes AND has the Federal Reserve banking institutions... but also inherits the national debt. My assumption is the states I mentioned would be the incumbent, especially as it includes the Yankee Capitol. It's also by far the largest in terms of population.

    Interestingly enough, we'd probably be well down the garden path to doing exactly this, had California followed through on their promise to secede.
     
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    I sent a similar strongly worded email last night to my kids' Superintendent. Hopefully many more did too.
     
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    I think school administrators are in a tough position. Realistically if they zero-tolerance clamp down on this, it's likely to actually bring more focus to the point. If they "let something happen" for 17 minutes it's much more likely to pass by and then move on with the day. That said, they shouldn't be supporting or actively encouraging this.

    Thinking back to high school - there were a handful of kids that were "student leaders" of some kind - class presidents, student council people, etc. 95% of the rest of the school didn't pay attention to what they did. These are the kinds of kids that are going to be running this rally. 5% will be the activists. 15% will be going along because they are followers. The remaining 80% are likely to look at them and silently laugh - "wtf does that guy know". When the smug know-it-all stands up and sprouts a position, it's just as likely to spark some rational response to the contrary.
     
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    I know that it’s a common position from the NESerati that every single person in Boston is a foolish liberal loon, including parents, students, teachers and administrators.

    My kids go to two different schools. The administration’s position in both has been made very clear: you are here to learn and we are here to teach you.

    There is supposed to be a 17 minute walkout at 10am. Any unauthorized absence is going to be treated just the same as any other time. Simple as that.

    Frankly the kids express little support for it: most of them see it as a meaningless gesture.
     
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    This has been my experience as well, so far.

    Large numbers of my students are idealistic virtue-signalers who’ll walk out, regardless of the punishment, because “it’s the right thing to do.” If they do it and soak up the three-day suspension my super has threatened them with, and don’t whine about it, I’ll commend them for caring.

    Most realize this will do nothing. The suspension will deter them. I was interested to hear them react to the Somerville marchers;most of my kids were mocking them.
     
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    I guess they can't walk and chew gum at the same time, either.
     
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    You guys are not from Medford, I guess.

    There we have a full blown hysteria because a magazine decided to walk in the school.
    Medford High - Mar 1 2018 - 7-02 PM.jpg
     
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    I remember the days where we had a competition or fundraiser to sell magazines at school. Times have changed.
     
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    What makes me laugh is how an “educator” would shun knowledge of any kind. If I were a teacher and you asked me to do some hands-on training in say firefighting, I wouldn’t say “oh no, I can’t do that! I’m an an educator, can’t you see!”

    People who hold these signs really show that they have an agenda as opposed to to self-preservation and truly living up to being pussies.
     
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    Had a talk about this at my school yesterday, all staff attended. Middle school students are hot to trot for this event. The principal acknowledged that many if not most just wanted a chance to leave school. Many teachers wanted to participate with students, probably 10% or so on an active level. I know there were others in the room too who happened to keep quiet.
     
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    A lot of them will walk out simply because it gets them out of class for awhile.

    I was in HS in the early 70's, and there was at least one walkout to protest the Vietnam war... probably 1,200+students at the time. I don't know if the entire student body participated or not, all I remember was myself and about 8-10 friends heading out for our social gathering in the woods to smoke some reefer, and quaff a few Schlitz's. [banana]
     
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    I would follow this advice from a "super mom" and I would apply it to all walkouts:

    Torree McGowan‏ @ERdisasterdoc
    Is 21 old enough to buy guns? Research on brain aging says 25 might be better cutoff. This is the type of research we need - what is the effect of different age cutoffs for firearm purchases? @meganranney
     
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    I can respect that. Teachers in the system today had no expectation of ever having to use firearms, and they are under lots of pressure to keep kids behaved, engaged, and performing on standardized tests, with class sizes of 20-30 per section. Add parents who don’t believe their little cherubs can do wrong.
     
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    I was in the classroom with 35 kids. One of our weekly subjects from the 5th grade was civilian defense (1 hour) and also 1 hour of the military prep. We started with BB guns, rubber grenades
    and 2 weeks long outdoor training every year. Every schools was equipped with BBs and .22s. In 8th grade we were competing who will assemble and disassemble AK-47 fastest. We had year long shooting competitions and biathlon was a required sport. Our classes started at 8 AM in the morning and ended at 3 PM. From the grades 1 to 5 we had one teacher. 5-9 grades were similar to classes here. All our male teachers handled weapons well because of the mandatory military service. I do not remember one accident, I can also assure you that nobody back then would dare to start shooting anywhere near the school. I am not talking about few years. The period I am describing here was from 1947 to 1989.

    My point is this; What we are having here right now is already much worst than communism ever was. We can't survive in today's environment by crawling backwards.
     
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    as long as they cut off them for licenses and voting too, unless a member of .mil?
     
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    Just let them keep marching for few more months and they will be rewarded. Research clearly shows that handling of any kind of a potential weapon of mass destruction, car for example, needs to be postponed for much later than today.

    We should be all walking out demanding better safety. Teenage driving kills more citizens than gunzs!

    Fatality Facts

    In the United States, the fatal crash rate per mile driven for 16-19 year-olds is nearly 3 times the rate for drivers ages 20 and over. Risk is highest at ages 16-17. In fact, the fatal crash rate per mile driven is nearly twice as high for 16-17 year-olds as it is for 18-19 year-olds.
     
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    Where did you go to school?

    It's interesting...As I get older, I run into more and more people that have left places with varying degrees of communism or socialism. They all have different opinions about what we should do, but every single one of them is pretty damned clear on what we should not do.
     
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    I went to school in Dresden, East Germany, but the similar education was in all Warsaw Pact countries (Poland, Hungary, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia). Some had a semi-military organizations for kids and teenagers in addition to schools. Thinking that there were no weapons during the communism is a wrong thinking.

    I believe we need to bring some kind of education about the civil defense back into schools. I would bundle it with "citizenship" classes which would cover basics like cooking, investing, simple banking, health insurances, etc..... Some of my "kids" are PhDs and they had no clue about 401K or how to invest. I think that should be covered in schools because parents have no clue anymore.
     
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    I have known a number of Russians over the years who were immigrants here from the Soviet Union. Every single one of them was Pro-2A and an ardent anti-communist.

    I've also known a number of Chinese who came here out of Red China. They were different in that they did not seem to be pro or anti either way, other than one guy who was fascinated by the whole gun thing here and kept wanting to know if he could buy a rocket launcher. What all of the Chinese were though - was very definitely anti-communist.
     
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    Does anyone else here think the 17 minute walkout is bs? I think these kids are going to take full advantage of it and leave for the day.
     
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    And allow consent ? This stuff opens a big ol can o worms.
     
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    Super of our school system sent out an email last week saying they would not condone walk outs or unexcused absences to march on school time. I thanked him.
     
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    Dear Medford Community,

    Over the past 24 hours, there have been several inaccurate claims made regarding the response of Medford High School to the impromptu student walk out on March 7. I think it is imperative to be very clear on what happened, and what did not.

    Students were advised that their actions, while inspiring and empowering, created legitimate concerns for building and student safety, and impacted the learning environment directly and indirectly for students who chose not to participate in the walk-out.

    Students who walked out and returned after the 17 minutes were accounted for and returned to their regular school day. I met with the students who did not return and engaged with them in a mutually meaningful discourse.

    No students were suspended.

    No students were assigned detention or Saturday detention.

    No students were academically punished.

    No students were prevented from leaving the building, nor were students addressed in any negative way by school administrators.

    My obligation is to ensure the emotional, intellectual and physical safety of all students. How can we ensure the safety of students and faculty, but simultaneously encourage student voice and civic engagement? This is the dilemma our public school must address, while considering the wide range of community perspectives and opinions on the role of public education.


    Only through genuine dialogue will we be able to chart a course that acknowledges our responsibilities and the value of student civic engagement and expression. We will continue to involve the community, and especially our student body, as we move toward this goal.

    I appreciate your understanding, voice and support.

    John Perella, Headmaster of Medford High School
     

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