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When I disputed the 80% support background checks stats one MDA mom spouted back: "You have no clue dude. Really. Every mom I know, and that's a lot since I have 3 kids in 3 different schools, believes in Moms Demand's mission. Just because we don't "carry" our kids around on our hips showing concern for their well being...... wait, oh yeah, we do. Every mom knows that her kids will more likely be shot from a gun in her home or in the home of a friend/relative than be harmed by an intruder. That's just a statistical fact. The decision to ignore that fact and come up with excuses to have a gun is up to her. The decision to value her gun over the safety and well being of her child is up to her. Most moms I know put their children first. But then again, maybe I only hang around moms who love their kids to the moon and back."

Hey - MAIG can have the stupid moms who won't spend a dime to protect their kids.

They are all incredibly ignorant of any gun laws. They think if NH has less gun laws than MA, a MA person can go to any gun shop in NH and walk out with whatever they want. We all wish but they think you can right now. They think AR's and AK's are machine guns, they think they are more powerful than any hunting rifle. They are just lemmings who get talking points via twitter or facebook then parrot the points, no matter how wrong they are.


The ones I've dealt with are the helicopter moms. They think they can baby and protect their kids until they are 50.
 

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They think if NH has less gun laws than MA, a MA person can go to any gun shop in NH and walk out with whatever they want.

I suspect the leaders of MAIG and similar organizations have discovered a simple truth - when dealing with soundbite journalism, you need simple statements that support the solution your are proposing, and it's not all that important that the statements be accurate. The opposition (i.e., us) will understand the inaccuracy, but the undecideds will not understand the falsehood, or invest the time to vet the accuracy of the statement.

In short, making untruthful statements like "can buy without a background check over the internet" help their cause.
 
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Surprised they want to admit this - Astroturfing is best done by having the same people pretend to be separate but saying the same thing to build a false "consensus" for the sheep.
 

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huh?


are they publishing mis-info purposely?

either way bottomless bank account Bloomberg will keep the groups from tanking. Grass roots my ass

This is good. I hope they spend all their time limiting access to illegal guns and pushing for background checks on commercial gun sales. While they're it it, they should push to stop the sale of new machine guns.
 
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I suspect the leaders of MAIG and similar organizations have discovered a simple truth - when dealing with soundbite journalism, you need simple statements that support the solution your are proposing, and it's not all that important that the statements be accurate. The opposition (i.e., us) will understand the inaccuracy, but the undecideds will not understand the falsehood, or invest the time to vet the accuracy of the statement.

In short, making untruthful statements like "can buy without a background check over the internet" help their cause.

No offense, Rob, but...

Blah, blah, blah. Most people are stupid and not paying attention. The ones that Don't agree with you don't care. End of story.

You pro-gun idiots need to stop thinking anybody not invested gives a shit about the facts and seriously question how guys like Markey get elected if people were thinking about - or cared about - the issue.

ETA: TL;dr version: I agree with Rob.
 
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I suspect the leaders of MAIG and similar organizations have discovered a simple truth - when dealing with soundbite journalism, you need simple statements that support the solution your are proposing, and it's not all that important that the statements be accurate. The opposition (i.e., us) will understand the inaccuracy, but the undecideds will not understand the falsehood, or invest the time to vet the accuracy of the statement.

In short, making untruthful statements like "can buy without a background check over the internet" help their cause.

All too true.

Our side really needs to master this art.
 
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In short, making untruthful statements like "can buy without a background check over the internet" help their cause

all true but we have some knots to untie. Yes, one can go on armslist or the classifieds at NES and buy something FTF without a background check. Unless national registration is enacted there is no way to stop this between law abiding citizens and it will continue as it always had with the outlaws, Its hard to keep someone's attention long enough to explain this and the opposition knows it
 
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I suspect the leaders of MAIG and similar organizations have discovered a simple truth - when dealing with soundbite journalism, you need simple statements that support the solution your are proposing, and it's not all that important that the statements be accurate. The opposition (i.e., us) will understand the inaccuracy, but the undecideds will not understand the falsehood, or invest the time to vet the accuracy of the statement.

In short, making untruthful statements like "can buy without a background check over the internet" help their cause.

The passing of Prohibition in the 1920's succeeded because of the malicious lies and ridiculous fear-mongering propaganda that were spread around the nation.

I'm seeing the same sort of thing happening now with guns and anti-gun groups.
 
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I just don't get it... I support pro-gun policy, but that is because I have researched extensively BOTH SIDES of the argument and have come to honestly believe we are in the right. Even in cases where antis have a little bit of validity in their arguments, I firmly believe us to be in the right. If someone truly believes their side is in the right, don't they at least owe it to themselves to be educated in what they are advocating for?

Hell, my father is a lawyer, and a damn good one, and he still calls me with gun-related questions to get a head start when doing legal research. It's not hard to gain at least somewhat of a stable foothold on firearms knowledge, especially if that is going to be your single biggest issue of advocacy.

How the hell do you (antis), as an adult, go and make public statements or lobby politicians with no clue what you are talking about? Don't get me wrong, I consider the likes of Rosenthal and Linsky to be LIARS, they know full and well what the laws are, they purposely deceive in effort to gain support. Most of these people, however, don't have ANY clue what they are talking about. They truly believe this crap. How ****ing hard is it to jump on google?

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I just don't get it... I support pro-gun policy, but that is because I have researched extensively BOTH SIDES of the argument and have come to honestly believe we are in the right. Even in cases where antis have a little bit of validity in their arguments, I firmly believe us to be in the right. If someone truly believes their side is in the right, don't they at least owe it to themselves to be educated in what they are advocating for?
1. There is a sub-set of them (generally those closer to positions of power) who know they are wrong, but as you say, what they seek is power, not "public safety". You can see this in laws people throw against the wall like making it felony to carry a gun within 1000 feet of a Congress Critter (not kidding - one was filed)

2. The rest don't "know" anything, they "feel" and they "follow". This is not unique to the gun issue, but like religion, it tends to be an issue where people are more apt to use violence to enforce their opinion/beliefs/feelings because they "feel" them strongly.

If you are a follower:
a. You can't go around questioning - that would cause uncomfortable dissonance with exalted leaders. Think of people who treat their leaders like parents - to investigate and understand the failings of those leaders/parents is to undermine your trust in them - scary stuff for someone who has not matured...

b. It can get mighty uncomfortable around other followers to ask too many questions ("Wrong-Think"). The "truths" of such a social system are enforced by "norms" (what everyone else does). The existence of the "bystander effect" suggests this to be a powerful force and/or the proportion of "followers" to be high.
 
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I would add, in fairness to the followers, these tragic, outlier events are scary as they expose the lie of their beliefs and I believe some part of their mind understands that their constructed reality is false and gets really, really scared.

So, they lash out to mask the fear (to mask it from themselves and others).

Hence, "Do something!"
 
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I just can't believe how much they stick on the "assault weapons" and magazine issue. It's dumbfounding. Maybe if they joined forces with us to demand resources are moved from drug trafficking to arms trafficking, as well as ask prosecutors and AGs why they aren't doing shit, they could make a difference.

The harsh reality is this: They only care about rich white kids. Fact. Period. End of discussion.

It's also fun to point out that they are hypocrits unless they are lobbying at least 5X as hard to ban alcohol. Even they admit there are legitimate uses for firearms. Give me a legitimate use for alcohol... Yet it is responsible for SOOOO many more deaths every year. Oh, but they want to be able to drink it...

I'm not saying alcohol should be illegal, but if they really cared "about the children" guns would be so friggin far down the list it's not even funny.

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I just can't believe how much they stick on the "assault weapons" and magazine issue. It's dumbfounding. Maybe if they joined forces with us to demand resources are moved from drug trafficking to arms trafficking, as well as ask prosecutors and AGs why they aren't doing shit, they could make a difference.
I honestly think they were surprised at the expiration of the ban in 04. I think they had been breathing their own methane in urbania for so long that they thought they had "won" and that was "a settled issue".

More importantly, you are mistakenly starting from a frame of reference of rational, scientific, evidence based thinking. Most people go with correlation, anecdotes, what they've seen and been told which, if you think about it, there are a lot of people who, particularly amongst the group in question, who have lived remarkably sheltered, monotonic lives.
 

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I just can't believe how much they stick on the "assault weapons" and magazine issue. It's dumbfounding. Maybe if they joined forces with us to demand resources are moved from drug trafficking to arms trafficking, as well as ask prosecutors and AGs why they aren't doing shit, they could make a difference.

The harsh reality is this: They only care about rich white kids. Fact. Period. End of discussion.

They don't even care about that, actually, the only thing they care about is disarming people. Sure the groups have useful idiots at the bottom that march around with signs braying about reducing "gun violence" and all that crap, but that's just bread and circus type tripe that acts as fuel for their real agenda. They use it as a means of buying votes from uninformed people who are generically scared of guns. The architects of these groups, the people actually running things, their only goal is to ban and/or severely restrict gun ownership. The "Assault Weapons" and "Magazine" stuff is just a form of big time incrementalism- the idea is if you ban those things, it deters ownership. I know this for a fact because before I got licensed I was almost one of those people who saw the laws and almost threw my hands up in the air about to say "Why even bother, they've already banned everything already that doesn't suck." Thankfully I looked past that, others might not, however. The "kids are getting shot" stuff is just a bullshit excuse, the reality is they are afraid of guns and are content to have the state "take care" of them. After years of watching these orgs and what they do, this has become abundantly clear to me. Over the years I read a bunch of different articles about street violence, and you find two distinct camps, although one of them is barely recognized because it doesn't expand state power and doesn't focus on banning guns. For example you'd read more than one article about some kid getting killed. In one chunk you hear a local pastor getting interviewed and he wouldn't say ONE THING about "banning guns" or "getting guns of the streets" or any of that crap, he'd make comments focused on trying to keep kids out of trouble to begin with, which is a huge part of the problem in inner cities. The tool used in the violence is irrelevant to people who actually want to solve the problems. In another article all you hear is some pol playing lip service to gun control and ignoring the real elephants in the room.... gun control is the "easy way out " politically, because they get to dodge the fact that the government and society has failed on numerous fronts when they push it. Guns and gun ownership are used a the default, go-to scapegoats for epic failures in other parts of our existence as a nation and a society. Thankfully I think that this trick is starting to fail more and more often- lots of people aren't buying into it anymore- due in large part to the fact that we've experienced a huge surge in non-fudd gun ownership in this country in the past decade.

The proof is also in the pudding- Look at what happened to Americans For Gun Safety- a moderate anti group that, while would be considered offensive to us, was far more moderate than MAIG, etc, in terms of where they focused their energy; they were far more purpose driven- yet AGS got virtually no traction and no support and died off, and the virulent groups got the support by the hoplophobes. AGS didn't have "banning guns and reducing ownership" as a core value so the antis didn't support it.

These groups are not interested in "stopping street violence" with firearms or otherwise. All they want to do is make the state more powerful and strip people of their guns. Look at what those douchebags in Burlington, VT, are trying to do.. VT has so little street violence its statistically lost in the noise, yet the antis there are running around in circles trying to ban things just because they can- because they're afraid of guns, and also afraid of the curse of the individual- which is the whole ****ing point of being an american.

I apologize for the length of my post but I guess what I'm getting at here, is don't be fooled. There is no meeting in the middle with these people.

-Mike
 
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Wow....the propaganda is strong with them. [thinking]

Moms..blah blah blah:
We’re thrilled to announce that Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America has joined forces with Mayors Against Illegal Guns. We’re uniting a nationwide movement of millions of Americans working together to change the game and end the epidemic of gun violence that affects every community. This is a turning point in the movement to end gun violence. Our partnership will help ensure a grassroots groundswell builds from cities to states to Congress. We will soon be stronger than any gun lobby, and, together, will change our nation’s culture of gun violence.

(The bold by me)

Then the next article or blog or whatever the eff it is down from that......

One year ago, on December 15, our movement began when Shannon Watts launched a Facebook page to vent her sadness and anger over what happened at Sandy Hook Elementary School. One year later, we have become the leading grassroots movement for gun reform. In just 12 months, we have grown to nearly 130,000 members, with a chapter in every...blah blah blah
 
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I think you give them too much credit. The majority I'd say are just shallow and vapid enough to think that banning guns will save children, and that's all they want. I'd love to save children too. But first, nothing they have proposed would do this. And second, not at the gross expense of civil liberties.

I do think the worst of them (the smarter ones) are the ones bent on disarming people and giving more power to the government.... why they want this, I have no clue.

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I think you give them too much credit. The majority I'd say are just shallow and vapid enough to think that banning guns will save children, and that's all they want. I'd love to save children too. But first, nothing they have proposed would do this. And second, not at the gross expense of civil liberties.

This is basically what I said- the people at the bottom believe that garbage, but not those actually pulling the strings.

I do think the worst of them (the smarter ones) are the ones bent on disarming people and giving more power to the government.... why they want this, I have no clue.

Same reason commies want communism, they've completely bought into the shitty moonbat groupthink statist ideology 110%. Some of them aren't even necessarily "afraid" of guns even,, they're afraid of the curse of the individual. (VPC shill Tom Diaz is a striking example of this, among others...) Small arms give individuals, or even small groups of individuals, in relative terms, an extraordinary amount of power. Destroying "private" gun ownership, as we know it, is a focal point of taking power away from individuals and small groups and transferring it to the state- or for that matter, other similarly large entities that like to use a monopoly of force on everyone else. Not to get too tinfoil hat land, but you take someone like, George Soros, and other "One World Government" types, and a bunch of private citizens running around with guns is a huge potential threat to their plans.

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Because they are mere pawns that believe that they will be a part of the ruling elite?

This, too.... upper echelon antis, like the Tom Diaz, Angus McQuillikens, Cheryl Jacques, etc, of the world, likely view or have viewed this stuff as a "meal ticket" in any future socialist/authoritarian administration. They relish the thought of say, being given the job of "Gun Control Tzar" by whoever the next moonbat president is, among other things.

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I agree with Mike.
It has nothing to do with guns and everything to do with control.
The rest are Lemmings.
Modern life has allowed those who are least able to cope or survive to do so.
Several hundred years ago most of them would not have made it.
Try going out on a busy city sidewalk and point up at nothing and keep insisting something is there.
After a while half the crowd will swear they see it too.
Sad.
 

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So that is like 72 mothers and 18 mayors. Sounds like a force to be reckoned with. Not. Bloombitch is losing, I guess money can't buy everything.

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I suspect the leaders of MAIG and similar organizations have discovered a simple truth - when dealing with soundbite journalism, you need simple statements that support the solution your are proposing, and it's not all that important that the statements be accurate. The opposition (i.e., us) will understand the inaccuracy, but the undecideds will not understand the falsehood, or invest the time to vet the accuracy of the statement.

In short, making untruthful statements like "can buy without a background check over the internet" help their cause.

Yeah, it's called the Big Lie.

Adolf coined the term when he wrote Mein Kampf.
 

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I think it's great that they are merging. If the mayors can be distracted by chasing after these crazy moms, two things are archived:

1. The majors are screwing the deranged moms and have no time to screw us.
2. The moms get the action they demand.

Case closed.
 
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I think it's great that they are merging. If the mayors can be distracted by chasing after these crazy moms, two things are archived:

1. The majors are screwing the deranged moms and have no time to screw us.
2. The moms get the action they demand.

Case closed.

I'm not too worried about them merging, really.

If they couldn't get anything done in the past year, they sure can't do it now.
 
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