LTC Renewal Fingerprinting?

[squatritoa]

Please excuse me, but this is my first time renewing my license. When I dropped off my application with the front desk officer at the station he mentioned to schedule fingerprinting, but I though that was only required for an initial application not renewal. Was he just repeating the same information he tells everyone, or is this required for renewals also?

 

[one-eyed Jack]

Where are you? In Littleton and in my home town in Acton they do a full set for each renewal. May be a state requirement in case you've grown new fingers. They may soon do your toes and the tip of your pecker also. Jack.

 

[MisterHappy]

If they want them, they'll get them.

If you gave them the first time, they have them.

Meh.

 

[goslow]

Boston does prints when you renew.

 

[ront02769]

Mine just said your fingerprints are already on file, no worries

 

[HuntMaine]

They do it every renewal, remember fingerprints change with age

 

[McReef]

Depends on your town’s level of douchebaggery. By making it a pain in the ass, they eliminate a certain percentage of renewals, it is as simple as that.

 

[Gasgunner]

The day before, move a couple pallets of cement blocks barehanded.

That’ll show em.

 

[92G]

Depends on your town’s level of douchebaggery. By making it a pain in the ass, they eliminate a certain percentage of renewals, it is as simple as that.

^^this^^

 

[headednorth]

Mine just said your fingerprints are already on file, no worries

Same. No pic either.

 

[PATRON]

Where are you? In Littleton and in my home town in Acton they do a full set for each renewal. May be a state requirement in case you've grown new fingers. They may soon do your toes and the tip of your pecker also. Jack.

I hope I have a female cop for my next renewal. lol

 

[greencobra]

Mine just said your fingerprints are already on file, no worries

yeah, same with me. seems like since they started taking the print with the digital scanner i never had to do it again. got to be 15-20 years now when i did the one and done i'm guessing. back in the days of actually rolling the print on paper with ink, that was every renewal.

 

[whacko]

Probably depends on the town.

Haverhill resident here......no prints taken at renewal. Your town may be different.

 

[ISOTOX]

Same. No pic either.

Ya they just grab your picture from the RMV date base....

 

[mothybee]

Just another way to enlongate the process................if that's a word.

 

[snax]

Just renewed mine. No prints.

 

[yanici]

Same. No pic either.

Just did my interview in Tewksbury about a week ago. Last time no prints were needed but this time took a pic and new prints were taken. I assumed it was because they had updated their print process to the electronic style instead of ink.

I did ask if I needed a print card made up for an out of state agency to use, if the electronic prints could work and was told to get the card and they would do the ink smear method.

 

[RumRunner]

No prints here in Malden, but they do take a new pic every time. Pic setup is right at the desk when they put the app in the computer, so no wasted time there.

 

[squatritoa]

I just called the police department today and left a message for the person in charge of the fingerprinting. My fingerprints are clearly in the database already, But whatever they want so they will just approve the renewal!

 

[one-eyed Jack]

The different PDs can't get their shit together. They should just stick to writing speeding tickets and shooting dogs. Jack.

 

[MisterHappy]

Just another way to enlongate the process................if that's a word.

Yes, it is:

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[RHJJ]

Wareham, drop off check and application and they mail the renewed licence.

 

[Toast]

Varies by both the town and by who's doing it that day. When I renewed mine, no fingerprints. When my wife renewed a month later, they tried to take them, couldn't get them, and said "Well, we've got them from last time."

 

[rali]

Depends on your town’s level of douchebaggery. By making it a pain in the ass, they eliminate a certain percentage of renewals, it is as simple as that.

Meh. Took about two minutes as part of the renewal appointment. Hardly a huge barrier and if two minutes discourages you, never try to call Verizon support ...

R

 

[McReef]

Meh. Took about two minutes as part of the renewal appointment. Hardly a huge barrier and if two minutes discourages you, never try to call Verizon support ...

R

I think you missed my point entirely. There is no practical reason to do it. None whatsoever. That leaves only one other possible reason I can think of... wait for it... “because we can”
Hence my determination of douchebaggery.

 

[rali]

I think you missed my point entirely. There is no practical reason to do it. None whatsoever. That leaves only one other possible reason I can think of... wait for it... “because we can”
Hence my determination of douchebaggery.

a) fingerprints change over time.
b) fingerprint gathering technology improves

So, you know, there couldn’t be ANY reason except “douchebaggery”. /sarc

 

[McReef]

a) fingerprints change over time.
b) fingerprint gathering technology improves

So, you know, there couldn’t be ANY reason except “douchebaggery”. /sarc

Right, so I guess I am convinced. For the “greater good” I should be perfectly happy to jump through any hoops, wait any length of time, perform any tests, subject myself to any whim, so that I may be allowed to avail myself of my constitutional rights, or at least a small portion of those rights that my benevolent overlords deem appropriate based on whatever arbitrary criteria they see fit.

Now that I say it out loud, it sounds perfectly reasonable.

Back to fingerprints specifically, exactly how does having someone’s fingerprints on file effect their ability to participate in criminal activities, or aid others in that pursuit? Maybe, maybe, I would concede that there might be something to doing it the first time so the state could check you are who you say you are, and you are not already in their system under a different alias, and are indeed a criminal. However, in order to concede that, I would have to first concede that licensing in the first place was reasonable, which it is not

Bring 2 forms of ID, fill out this form, allow us to fingerprint you, pay this fee, wait an unreasonable amount of time to do all of this, during this very specific, probably inconvenient, and inflexible time window, and then wait an unreasonable amount of time for us to process your renewal and produce a new card for you. Yup, it all checks out.

All of this, and none of it prevents anyone from obtaining firearms illegally, or using firearms in an illegal act.

Anything extra, anything at all, is simply requiring you to kiss the ring. It is that simple.

 

[Len-2A Training]

a) fingerprints change over time.
b) fingerprint gathering technology improves

So, you know, there couldn’t be ANY reason except “douchebaggery”. /sarc

C. 140 MGL ONLY requires prints to be taken ONCE since 1998. They are kept on file and run each time you renew. I can understand if a PD (or MSP) convert to electronic prints, that they MIGHT request redoing them one more time in that format as they are easier to "find" for renewals that way than paper cards.

That said, PDs make up their own rules and short of taking a few years and paying $xK to a lawyer to "prove them wrong", it is much cheaper and expedient to just go along which is what damn near everyone does. Thus, some require live fire, some require the target from live fire, some require doctors' letters, some require taking another course every renewal, some require joining a gun club, etc. They know that they can get away with it, so they do it. Comm2A has beaten down some of this bullshit, but more crops up all the time (reminds me of "whack a mole").

 

[rali]

Right, so I guess I am convinced. For the “greater good” I should be perfectly happy to jump through any hoops, wait any length of time, perform any tests, subject myself to any whim, so that I may be allowed to avail myself of my constitutional rights, or at least a small portion of those rights that my benevolent overlords deem appropriate based on whatever arbitrary criteria they see fit.

Now that I say it out loud, it sounds perfectly reasonable.

You’re putting your emotional knee jerk words in my mouth. You can stop now.

I said “Took about two minutes as part of the renewal appointment”

Back to fingerprints specifically, exactly how does having someone’s fingerprints on file effect their ability to participate in criminal activities, or aid others in that pursuit? Maybe, maybe, I would concede that there might be something to doing it the first time so the state could check you are who you say you are, and you are not already in their system under a different alias, and are indeed a criminal. However, in order to concede that, I would have to first concede that licensing in the first place was reasonable, which it is not

Bring 2 forms of ID, fill out this form, allow us to fingerprint you, pay this fee, wait an unreasonable amount of time to do all of this, during this very specific, probably inconvenient, and inflexible time window, and then wait an unreasonable amount of time for us to process your renewal and produce a new card for you. Yup, it all checks out.

All of this, and none of it prevents anyone from obtaining firearms illegally, or using firearms in an illegal act.

Anything extra, anything at all, is simply requiring you to kiss the ring. It is that simple.

I can only speak to my experience, in my town, and the base line on appointments was “any day between mid morning and 3 pm.” I got the impression the LO would have been accommodating if I needed an evening or weekend time, but I didn’t, so it never came up.

Wring your hands all you want about how an LTC infringes, but it won’t change a damned thing and I appreciate the EASE with which the process was handled. It was easier than getting a Real ID DL, for Christ’s sake.

Len commented on the switch from ink pad to electronic prints. I remember getting ink pad printed when I first got my LTC; I don’t recall if I was ever reprinted in the nerve I got time. I don’t remember it, so maybe not, or “who remembers this gross violation of my basic human rights [sic]” over 6 year intervals.

Either way, there’s seventeen metric *sstons of better sh*t to get my undies in a twist over than a print scan. And with that, I’m out. Dumb argument.

R