Looks like Troy Industries might have stepped in it.

Didn't the owner of Diamondhead come from Troy??? Interesting.

yes, imagine that.. I wonder why he left....

Communists that bitch about the free market

now, that's a funny... in fact, ridiculous statement... free market doesn't mean we allow someone to rob us... would you buy that Troy AR for $2400.... or better yet pay wholesale at $1900... didn't think so. Ask any price that you want, but be prepared for the fallout..

I guess some people here believe in a free market. Imagine that.

yep, imagine that, from one who beats up every vender out there for the "best" price.... what makes my statement less than your actions that you bragg about... you're a funny guy too..
 
now, that's a funny... in fact, ridiculous statement... free market doesn't mean we allow someone to rob us... would you buy that Troy AR for $2400.... or better yet pay wholesale at $1900... didn't think so. Ask any price that you want, but be prepared for the fallout..



yep, imagine that, from one who beats up every vender out there for the "best" price.... what makes my statement less than your actions that you bragg about... you're a funny guy too..

These two responses show that you definitely don't understand how markets work. "Robbing" us implies that we're forced into the deal. Nobody was. And what does shopping around or pressing for the best price out there have to do with anything?
 
Troy is a lot nimbler than the biggies, and has less reliance on distributors. S&W has to worry about their relations with distributors, existing supply contracts, and what will happen if they constantly change their price as the market fluctuates. Smaller companies have more leeway.

And yes, I understand that companies that jack price sup quickly have to be concerned about the impact on their long term image; loss of customers when the shortage dies down; etc. But in the final analysis, would Troy keeping their prices low made their guns available to end users or would it simply have shifted the windfall profit from the mfgr to a reseller/speculator?
 
I'll just say, I own a business, I sell products... my prices are what they are, based on a minimal mark-up. That's how I was taught to run my business. I have chosen to treat my customers the way I want to be treated. Very simple, I shared my feelings on Troy's sales technique, if you don't like it... sorry... if you don't agree, that's your right, but, I have my belief, I don't play both sides of the fence, like some here.
 
Are you in fact sure Troys wholesale to distributors went up? They didn't sell direct to gun stores as far as I know and that would mean the markup must have been from Zroy to the distributor, not Distributor to store or store to customer.

Also, I heard more than one retailer complain how they "payed way more" for stuff during the panic when they already had the inventory bought and paid for and marked it up. Makes it easier to deflect criticism that they were the ones running the price up and put the blame on the wholesalers / manufacturers.
 
The prices on Troy accessories (the sights at least) didn't change at all. I have no idea about their guns.
 
now, that's a funny... in fact, ridiculous statement... free market doesn't mean we allow someone to rob us... would you buy that Troy AR for $2400.... or better yet pay wholesale at $1900... didn't think so. Ask any price that you want, but be prepared for the fallout..


I don't think you know what free market means. Who is getting robbed when the sale is done willingly?
 
I'll just say, I own a business, I sell products... my prices are what they are, based on a minimal mark-up. That's how I was taught to run my business. I have chosen to treat my customers the way I want to be treated. Very simple, I shared my feelings on Troy's sales technique, if you don't like it... sorry... if you don't agree, that's your right, but, I have my belief, I don't play both sides of the fence, like some here.

+1 for explaining your position

I will run my business the same way, and I understand why you choose to do so - kudos to you.

The problem that you have in this thread is that you go from a legitimate disapproval of Troy's business practices (pricing in particular), to improperly accusing them of robbing people. As multiple posters pointed out, robbing would require coercion of some kind, which clearly is not the case.

Feel free to criticize their pricing decisions and point out the loss of goodwill that such decisions might bring. People like me and Rob will still disagree because we understand that scalpers will buy the under-priced goods and sell them at market prices to the end-users, leaving the end users no better off and the manufacturers with less money in their pocket, but I can respect your different opinion. What I cannot respect is your statement that pricing to market (that is, selling for a price that the buyer agrees to pay) is somehow evil or wrong... that's how socialist and communist economic theory starts, by pretending that there is a single price for a given product.

Enough on economic theory in this thread though... maybe we'll bump into each other and we can catch up in person. Good luck with your business, and may you pricing policies pay off in the long run.
 
yes, imagine that.. I wonder why he left....



now, that's a funny... in fact, ridiculous statement... free market doesn't mean we allow someone to rob us... would you buy that Troy AR for $2400.... or better yet pay wholesale at $1900... didn't think so. Ask any price that you want, but be prepared for the fallout..



yep, imagine that, from one who beats up every vender out there for the "best" price.... what makes my statement less than your actions that you bragg about... you're a funny guy too..

How do you know what vendors I 'beat up' for better pricing? Creepy.

You're knocking me for doing research and finding the best price I can? What the ****? That to me is pretty damn smart. I guess I'm confused.


Also, no one robbed you. It's called free market. Troy was not the only one to raise prices during the panic. That's a lie. Plenty of places did that. Ammo manufacturers, etc.
 
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The accusations that Mr. Monroe would have taken a shot at Vicki Weaver are false. His Congressional testimony affirms that had he a better vantage point, he was prepared to shoot at Kevin Harris, the armed combatant posing an immediate threat to him, his team, and everyone at the scene.*

Tragedy lies in the fact that the shot intended for Kevin Harris reached its target, but also struck Vicki*Weaver, positioned out of sight, behind a door. For the past 20 years, Mr. Monroe has shared his experiences across the country through many presentations and a television appearance. During these presentations, he explained the mistakes which led up to the tragedy and the valuable lessons learned from the event. While nothing can change what happened that day, Dale's firsthand account imparts valuable tools to our nation’s law enforcement. I'm confident that his experience at that incident taught him more than the other countless successful missions he completed as an FBI HRT Operator.

It's easy in an emotionally charged situation where a mother's life has been taken, to lose sight of the facts. In our most trying times and failures we have an opportunity to rise above and distinguish ourselves to be people of character and honor. I know Dale Monroe to be such a man.*

As a Troy Asymmetric instructor, he has the opportunity to prevent future tragedies like Ruby Ridge. We are proud to have him on our team.

-Steve Troy



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Not a part of the company at all from the phone call I placed there today

So they accidentally brought the former Superintendent of the Chicago PD onboard without having any idea whatsoever what he was about, and it never occurred to anybody to type his name into google? That's not believable.
 
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His anti-2a views are one thing, but Troy's relationship with him, viewed alongside the rest of its instructors, who are proudly pulled from just about every big city, anti-2a police force in the country, and whom they're training on what amount to military tactics, makes it seem like Troy is something other than a staunch supporter of civilian 2a rights. They can say that you are all day long, but the acts and the demonstrated mindset don't show it.


ETA - it looks like the pitchfork-wielding mob around the internet isn't taking this decision very well. I hope Troy Asymmetric was worth it. Incidentally, I wonder how they came up with the name Asymmetric? Who's on the other side of the asymmetry they have in mind?
 
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what's the company that made that wicked cool lighter you have... that i had a lighter-ND with at the range?

i need to boycott them.

Vertigo... probably some chinese company...

See, even this lady can light it without burning herself... [laugh]

 
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+1 for explaining your position

I will run my business the same way, and I understand why you choose to do so - kudos to you.

The problem that you have in this thread is that you go from a legitimate disapproval of Troy's business practices (pricing in particular), to improperly accusing them of robbing people. As multiple posters pointed out, robbing would require coercion of some kind, which clearly is not the case.

Feel free to criticize their pricing decisions and point out the loss of goodwill that such decisions might bring. People like me and Rob will still disagree because we understand that scalpers will buy the under-priced goods and sell them at market prices to the end-users, leaving the end users no better off and the manufacturers with less money in their pocket, but I can respect your different opinion. What I cannot respect is your statement that pricing to market (that is, selling for a price that the buyer agrees to pay) is somehow evil or wrong... that's how socialist and communist economic theory starts, by pretending that there is a single price for a given product.

Enough on economic theory in this thread though... maybe we'll bump into each other and we can catch up in person. Good luck with your business, and may you pricing policies pay off in the long run.

Thank you, I appreciate and understand your points better.
 
How do you know what vendors I 'beat up' for better pricing? Creepy.

You're knocking me for doing research and finding the best price I can? What the ****? That to me is pretty damn smart. I guess I'm confused.


Also, no one robbed you. It's called free market. Troy was not the only one to raise prices during the panic. That's a lie. Plenty of places did that. Ammo manufacturers, etc.

Again Tom, read what I wrote, not what you think I wrote.. no lies from me...

Not knocking y0u at all Tom... just stating the facts pertaining to your statements I've read..
 
Also, no one robbed you. It's called free market. Troy was not the only one to raise prices during the panic. That's a lie. Plenty of places did that. Ammo manufacturers, etc.

If we really wanna get down to the nub of it all, most of the "hosing" during these obamascare events is done by mid level distributors, people typical gun consumers never even see- so 95% of the vitriol gets set towards manufacturers and dealers, most of which haven't strayed far from their standard markups (maybe they pad on another 5 or 10 points) but the mid levels get no heat at all... go figure. [laugh] Even with the mid levels doing hokey shit, it's still all a matter of what the market will bear.

-Mike
 
Typical JBT response.

**** Troy.

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In the meantime, the FBI sent agents who crawled under the house and stuck listening devices under the floor. And although Randy many times screamed out to the officers that they had killed his wife, the officers pretended they did not know she was dead, and they mercilessly taunted the family. "Did you sleep well last night, Vicki?" and "Show us the baby, Vicki? We had pancakes," and on it went. And the officers placed a robot on the front porch that was equipped with a sawed-off shotgun, and the FBI approached the Weaver house only in an armored personnel carrier, a tank of sorts, and the FBI brought up its negotiator who spoke to the Weavers over a bull horn. The FBI kept spotlights on the small house all night, and played loud music so the people inside could not sleep, and the FBI tried to drive the people, if not out of the house, then out of their minds.

Stay classy, Troy.
 
There's that thin blue line thingy again. Once a pig...

The worst part about it is that Troy will continue running their little JBT camp, staffed with highspeed operators from NYC, LA, Chicago and the FBI, training cops to be soldiers, on our dime. Those police departments aren't running bakesales or selling raffle tickets to raise money, they're just spending ours. They don't care about our rights, as evidenced by Jody Weis, they're just prepping everyone for Asymmetric battle. Guess who they have in mind on the other side.

Troy Industries is more concerned with training LE and slurping up taxpayer money than they are with the rights of the rest of us.
 
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If Troy is hiring retired FBI agents as thier trainers, Most particularly the ones mentioned, It might be smart to avoid that company all together. There are other companies that make the same stuff they do.


Out of all the retired FBI agents, they seem to be hiring the anti 2A ones. I don't think that's a coincidence. If it is then they are incompetent. The irony of the company named Troy behaving like a Trojan horse.

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But they make such GOOD stuff.


which some of their employees don't want you to have.
 
The bottom line here, for me, is that Troy has in it's employ a gov agent who was at ruby ridge, and now the CEO is defending that decision.

**** Troy.
 
The problem is not companies that jacked up prices in response to market (you would do that when selling your house wouldn't you?) but companies that cancelled orders accepted at a particular price when the market changed. Similarly, if the market price went down, you wouldn't pay the old higher price so as to not take advantage of the seller.

I remember back in 94, some companies that had magazines back ordered cancelled the orders so they could sell at new prices, rather than fill the orders - while many of those with backordered product passed on other opportunities because they thought their order would be processed at the accepted price.

Higher prices in times of shortage assure efficient resource allocation - product is available to those who need it the most (as indicated by a willingness to pay a higher price) rather than concentrated in the hands of a few who are either "hoarders" (if you are not one of those lucky few) or "prudent inventory managers" (if you happen to have found product at the below market price). During the shortage, you could choose between $300 lowers that were available and $100 lowers that were out of stock.


Its called capitalism and we get to CHOOSE whether to pay the asking price. Would you rather have Obama, Feinstein, Schumer etc dictate selling prices?
 
The bottom line here, for me, is that Troy has in it's employ a gov agent who was at ruby ridge, and now the CEO is defending that decision.

**** Troy.

The fact that he was hired to help teach at Troy's new JBT training division doesn't help either.
 
The accusations that Mr. Monroe would have taken a shot at Vicki Weaver are false. His Congressional testimony affirms that had he a better vantage point, he was prepared to shoot at Kevin Harris, the armed combatant posing an immediate threat to him, his team, and everyone at the scene.*

Tragedy lies in the fact that the shot intended for Kevin Harris reached its target, but also struck Vicki*Weaver, positioned out of sight, behind a door. For the past 20 years, Mr. Monroe has shared his experiences across the country through many presentations and a television appearance. During these presentations, he explained the mistakes which led up to the tragedy and the valuable lessons learned from the event. While nothing can change what happened that day, Dale's firsthand account imparts valuable tools to our nation’s law enforcement. I'm confident that his experience at that incident taught him more than the other countless successful missions he completed as an FBI HRT Operator.

It's easy in an emotionally charged situation where a mother's life has been taken, to lose sight of the facts. In our most trying times and failures we have an opportunity to rise above and distinguish ourselves to be people of character and honor. I know Dale Monroe to be such a man.*

As a Troy Asymmetric instructor, he has the opportunity to prevent future tragedies like Ruby Ridge. We are proud to have him on our team.

-Steve Troy



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You're not actually Steve, are you? It's tough to tell from your posts. You at minimum appear to work at Troy, right?
 
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