Long gun storage

[Scotia902]

when storing a long gun in mass you need it to have a mass complaint lock on it but does it have to be in a safe ? or just have a lock on it

if in a safe it doesn't need a lock I assume

 

[milktree]

It needs to be in a "locked container" or have a "Mass state police approved lock"

It doesn't need to be both.

Note that "locked container" doesn't need to be a *safe*.


This is true for *all* guns, not just long guns.

 

[Scotia902]

Locks are easy but lugging around a several hundred pound safe from apt to apt would suck till I become a home owner

 

[glide]

Don’t worry, they’ll jam you up even if you have a lock on it.

 

[headednorth]

"Section 131L. (a) It shall be unlawful to store or keep any firearm, rifle or shotgun including, but not limited to, large capacity weapons, or machine gun in any place unless such weapon is secured in a locked container or equipped with a tamper-resistant mechanical lock or other safety device, properly engaged so as to render such weapon inoperable by any person other than the owner or other lawfully authorized user. For purposes of this section, such weapon shall not be deemed stored or kept if carried by or under the control of the owner or other lawfully authorized user."

General Law - Part I, Title XX, Chapter 140, Section 131L

 

[kalash]

Cable lock, case, done.

 

[Hardwired]

Don’t worry, they’ll jam you up even if you have a lock on it.

The latest jam criteria appears to include if it can be "seen"

"Although the trigger locks were in place, the guns were not in proper locked storage."

Gun seized after man walked into Brockton hospital with it holstered

 

[MisterHappy]

It needs to be in a "locked container" or have a "Mass state police approved lock"

It doesn't need to be both.

Note that "locked container" doesn't need to be a *safe*.


This is true for *all* guns, not just long guns.

Cite, please? AFAIK there is no roster, or listing, as to what locks are, and are not, approved.

 

[JAD]

Cite, please? AFAIK there is no roster, or listing, as to what locks are, and are not, approved.

He may have been thinking of the list of locking devices which are approved by the Colonel of MSP for the purposes of MGL c. 140 s. 131k, which requires firearms and large capacity weapons sold in Massachusetts to either have an integrated or included locking device.

 

[MisterHappy]

I'd like to see the list. It would be new to me.

 

[Len-2A Training]

I'd like to see the list. It would be new to me.

There is one but it is strictly for MA Dealers transferring guns. It has no impact on the owner securing their guns.

 

[MisterHappy]

Thanks. I'd hate to miss out on a new list.

 

[fshalor]

Ban lists!!!

To soon? ( Too late?)

 

[MisterHappy]

It's never too soon ......but, often, too late.

 

[milktree]

Cite, please? AFAIK there is no roster, or listing, as to what locks are, and are not, approved.

You're right. I misremembered.

MGL Chap. 140 § 131L:
(a) It shall be unlawful to store or keep any firearm, rifle or shotgun including, but not limited to, large capacity weapons, or machine gun in any place unless such weapon is secured in a locked container or equipped with a tamper-resistant mechanical lock or other safety device, properly engaged so as to render such weapon inoperable by any person other than the owner or other lawfully authorized user. For purposes of this section, such weapon shall not be deemed stored or kept if carried by or under the control of the owner or other lawfully authorized user.

The rest of 131L is on penalties.

 

[milktree]

He may have been thinking of the list of locking devices which are approved by the Colonel of MSP for the purposes of MGL c. 140 s. 131k, which requires firearms and large capacity weapons sold in Massachusetts to either have an integrated or included locking device.

Ha! Good.

I didn't just make it up.

I got it wrong, but not as bad as making it up.

 

[milktree]

There is one but it is strictly for MA Dealers transferring guns. It has no impact on the owner securing their guns.

From a strictly black letter reading of the law, does that mean that a dealer can't sell you a gun with a lock you provide because they can't be sure it's an approved device?

One could also read it that it's legal for a customer to give the dealer a lock (part of a trade-in?) who would then immediately provide it with the gun being transferred.

 

[EC1]

ban politicians

 

[Len-2A Training]

From a strictly black letter reading of the law, does that mean that a dealer can't sell you a gun with a lock you provide because they can't be sure it's an approved device?

One could also read it that it's legal for a customer to give the dealer a lock (part of a trade-in?) who would then immediately provide it with the gun being transferred.

Yes, it specifically states that the dealer must provide it. Yes, I have donated a few locks to dealers and they have given them back to me with the gun.

Here's the info on the locks from Glidden's book (4th Ed)

NOTES on S.131K

3. Dealer to Supply Locks: This section requires that a state approved trigger lock be provided on certain guns that are sold. The Executive Office of Public Safety has determined that this means the dealer has the responsibility to supply the trigger lock (and charge the appropriate fee), and that the buyer may not supply his own trigger lock to circumvent this statute.

and the list of approved locks

MSP APPROVED SAFETY LOCKING DEVICES FOR DEALERS


M.G.L. chapter 140, section 131K requires that any firearm or large capacity weapon sold within the Commonwealth must be sold with a safety device designed to prevent the discharge of such weapon by unauthorized users.

The following locking devices have been approved by the Colonel of the Department of State Police as complying with the provisions of M.G.L. chapter 140, section 131K.

Additional locks may be approved periodically by the Colonel of the Department of State Police.

1. CCL Sesamee Gun Block Combination Lock
2. Master Lock: Cable Key Lock Or Trigger Guard Lock
3. Outer/Cease Fire Trigger Lock
4. Shot Lock Corporation Keyed Cable Lock Or Trigger Guard Lock
5. Speed Release Gun Lock
6. Dominion Group Trigger Lock
7. Remington Trigger Lock
8. Mossberg Cable Lock
9. American Firearms Council Cable Lock
10. Rocky Mountain Tool And Armory Chamber-Safe
11. Saf T Lock’s Magazine Lock
12. Franzen Trigger Combination Lock
13. Noble Guard Wall Mount Gun Lock
14. Noble Double Security Cable Gun Lock
15. Nobel trigger Lock
16. Central Specialties Trigger Lock Model 9311
17. Crown Trigger Lock
18. Miltex Inc. Trigger Lock
19. Concept Development Corp. / Law Lock Key Cuff Trigger Lock
20. Concept Development Corp. / Trigger Block Safety w/ Saf-T-Block Lock
21. A Rifkin Company Arcolock - 7 keyed lock model
22. Armloc Magnum combination lock container
23. Franzen model 6.0 combination trigger lock
24. Franzen keyed trigger lock
25. Concept Development Corp. Law Loc III, cuff key trigger lock
26. Bell Trigger Lock model B100KA
27. Bellock model #B300-8ka cable lock
28. Bellock economy trigger lock model #B200-3
29. CCL Security Products model K-39 Trigger Block keyed
30. CCL Security Products model CA12 Sesamee Cabelock (combination)
31. Palmer Security Products models/series 5000, 5500, 6000, 7000, 8100, 9000, pushbutton lock/key systems
32. Steyer M-Series Integrated Limited Access Lock with Key
33. Armadillo Gun Trigger Lock (keyed)
34. Master Lock – Combination Gunlock
35. Taurus International – Hammer Key Lock
36. Mossberg Safe Systems, Inc. – Portable Electronic Firearm Safe
37. Life Jacket by Mogul Company
38. SAFE-T-TRIGGER
39. DAC Technologies items: MTL, LHL, TVP, GL001, CL200, CL100
40. UNEX Keyed Trigger Lock and Keyed Cable Lock
41. Alarm It w/cable lock
42. Smart Trigger lock with alarm
43. Maximum Security cable lock
44. Regal Keyed Cable Lock – Model SL14-4PTACA
45. Project HomeSafe Cable Lock
46. Omega Safety Systems Chamber Lock
47. Project Child Safe Cable Lock w/key
48. Regal Keyed Cable Lock model DCSC-5-DTACA14
49. VisualLock (special Keyed lock)
50. CABLE LOCK (NAD Corporation, Worcester, MA)
51. CHILD GUARD (Child Guard LLC, Lancaster, PA)

(List Revised 3-15-2007)


This list will be supplemented periodically


In addition to the approved list, pursuant to the provisions of M.G.L. c. 140, the Colonel of the Department of State Police has determined that locks provided by the manufacturer of firearms, or large capacity weapons, both as defined in section 121 of chapter 140, sold within the Commonwealth, that are designed to prevent the discharge of such weapon by unauthorized users shall be deemed as approved locks for the purpose of complying with the provisions of M.G.L. c.140, § 131K.

 

[Springfield_trapdoor]

What happend to the Brockton guy?

 

[one-eyed Jack]

A locked up gun is about as useful as tits on a bull. Jack.