one-eyed Jack
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OK. Say we have 52 FFLs at the mill. Inspect one each week. Probably will take less than one hour including a coffee stop. Will that break the town? Jack.
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NOPE, but we all know this has nothing to do with "FEES".OK. Say we have 52 FFLs at the mill. Inspect one each week. Probably will take less than one hour including a coffee stop. Will that break the town? Jack.
Thank you for the summary, however I will admit to still being confused. Did no one ask to speak against the article? In my experience, unless the moderator is not playing by the rules (which I have seen) people wishing to speak for and against do get a chance, up until everyone is done, or the meeting explicitly votes to close debate. This is particularly true when the moderator is informed ahead of time that there are people who wish to speak on an article, including non-residents.One person asked for clarification on the number of dealers. The answer was either 48 or 49 (chief said both numbers at different times)
One speaker asked questions about number of inspections per year, how much would be charged, etc. Clarity on fine but not inspection fee. Chief said 50-200 still working it out. once per year. Thank you to this speaker.
That was it. it then got voted on and passed
At that point in the night it was going to pass. The place was still relatively full and people wanted to kill the MJ dealers. It would have taken a long line of persuasive speakers to have any chance.
So they are coming to inspect now. Who knows what they will be "inspecting" and will they make up stuff as they go. Unless they are going to provide guidelines as to what they are inspecting they can make up whatever they want to force people out of business. Oh, you're too close to the door, your windows are not safe enough, your safe isn't of a high enough quality, you have dirt on the floor, etc etc etc. There will be no oversight on this so they can fine you for whatever they like. Oh, you have a bad attitude. Here's a $1000 fine.....
according to a good source NO towns inspect their FFL's physical locations. This was started by a Littleton anti who read the MGL. There are NO rules which is the problem. When you have a corrupt one party State they can make stuff up as they go along. Kinda like the Dems in the swamp trying to Impeach Trump. Remember, Libs only follow rules they agree with because they are special and WE are deplorable.What do the annual inspections look like/cost in the other 350 (or whatever the exact number is) towns that fall under MGL 140 123?
It's true that you'd be hard-pressed to find a town that actually does the inspections, and you're right: Someone in town is pressuring the police to do the inspections.according to a good source NO towns inspect their FFL's physical locations. This was started by a Littleton anti who read the MGL. There are NO rules which is the problem. When you have a corrupt one party State they can make stuff up as they go along. Kinda like the Dems in the swamp trying to Impeach Trump. Remember, Libs only follow rules they agree with because they are special and WE are deplorable.
Went to my Chiropractor, DR.Dean, in Littleton yesterday. If this shit gets stupid I will definitely mention it to him and change chiro's.Well we're Toyota people in my family and I've always gone to Acton Toyota in Littleton (3 trucks). Maybe I should write Bob Moran (owner) a letter saying although I love you guys, I will be buying the next one in another town that treats ALL businesses fairly. Anyone from ANY town who does business in Littleton might do the same by contacting the businesses they frequent there, restaurants, etc.
That's good news, hopefully the adults in the room will prevail and it will be business as usual.It's true that you'd be hard-pressed to find a town that actually does the inspections, and you're right: Someone in town is pressuring the police to do the inspections.
We're working towards defining the scope of the inspections, and we've actually made some progress. Too early to call anything a "win", but the inspections are shaping up to be a lot less onerous than they could be.
I disagree.That's good news, hopefully the adults in the room will prevail and it will be business as usual.
Well the town has done nothing illegal as far as we know so there's nothing to complain about yet. We'll see when the first town bill to a FFL is received.I disagree.
While I get the idea of making the best of a bad situation, letting this stand WILL lead to other towns/cities passing similar laws. And you can bet some will use it as a way to shut down small FFLs. They (some other town) could easily say the fee is thousands $$ and you need a hardened stand alone building with x amount of open space around it, and a full time detail.
This is municipal level firearms control, there is no upside to letting it stand.
So, this inspection must be for all businesses in the town, right? There is a psychic reading place next to the mill.... Surely they are inspecting this too? Right? No??
MGL C. 140 § 123 said:Section 123. A license granted under section one hundred and twenty-two...
according to a good source NO towns inspect their FFL's physical locations.
Read the law that someone linked here (Chapter 140 Section 123). It spells out what's in the inspection. It's very specific, and it's not a building inspection or anything like that. They're going to look at your FA10s, signage, ensure that you're complying with MA storage law, and that your "inventory" is MA compliant. Your inventory consists of the guns that you have for sale to MA residents.So they are coming to inspect now. Who knows what they will be "inspecting" and will they make up stuff as they go. Unless they are going to provide guidelines as to what they are inspecting they can make up whatever they want to force people out of business. Oh, you're too close to the door, your windows are not safe enough, your safe isn't of a high enough quality, you have dirt on the floor, etc etc etc. There will be no oversight on this so they can fine you for whatever they like. Oh, you have a bad attitude. Here's a $1000 fine.....
Read the law that someone linked here (Chapter 140 Section 123). It spells out what's in the inspection. It's very specific, and it's not a building inspection or anything like that. They're going to look at your FA10s, signage, ensure that you're complying with MA storage law, and that your "inventory" is MA compliant. Your inventory consists of the guns that you have for sale to MA residents.
No 4473s, no bound book. If you read the law, they want you to keep a "sales record book" with all of the information contained on an FA10, so a 3-ring binder with copies of the FA10s fulfills the requirement. Although it's computerized, the FFL is required to print the FA10s and keep a copy.Does it include looking at 4473s, or is that not part of state regulation, therefore off limits?
"look at your FA10s" is absurd, 'cuz they're all computerized now. It's not like there's anything to look at.
And given that it's legal for an FFL to sell anything they want to someone out of state (through an FFL in the buyer's state, of course), what does "inspect inventory" even mean?
It will fade away like everything else. The folks at the Littleton PD only worry about three things: How many vacation days left this year, how many years to retirement and where they parked their car. Meanwhile, Boston ATF is continuing to approve FFL applicants. Jack.any updates on the situation at the Mill in regard to the "inspections" by the town.
No. That level of ambition does not exist. PDs don't look to take on new work. Cuts into the coffee breaks. Jack.I wonder if all FFLs in MA will be subject to inspections once this gets out...
No that level of ambition does not exist. PDs avoid new work. Cuts into the coffee breaks. Jack.I wonder if all FFLs in MA will be subject to inspections once this gets out...
No. That level of ambition does not exist. PDs don't look to take on new work. Cuts into the coffee breaks. Jack.
No 4473s, no bound book. If you read the law, they want you to keep a "sales record book" with all of the information contained on an FA10, so a 3-ring binder with copies of the FA10s fulfills the requirement. Although it's computerized, the FFL is required to print the FA10s and keep a copy.
Excellent question about the inventory. We need to hash that out.