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LAWMAKERS DEMAND GOOGLE SCRAP ANTI-HUNTING AD POLICY

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Lawmakers Demand Google Scrap Anti-Hunting Ad Policy :: Guns.com

Two lawmakers say Google’s stance on refusing to run paid ads for pro-hunting groups steps on centuries of the country’s hunting legacy.

U.S. Sen. Steve Daines and U.S. Rep. Greg Gianforte, both Montana Republicans, penned a letter to Google CEO Sundar Pichai, demanding the multinational tech company reverse its ban on hunting advertising. The letter came after Google told the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, a Montana-based conservation group that supports elk hunting and the American hunting heritage, that it could not buy advertising as it violated the company’s policy.

“Google Ads’ justification was that these promotions are considered ‘animal cruelty’ despite the fact that hunting is a core part of our natural heritage, a major component in environmental and wildlife conservation, and an integral part of our outdoor economy,” says the letter.
 
Google is weird. Ron wanted to run some ads for TFW - he can't cuz blades. Weirder: his wife is a massage therapist, and SHE can't cuz... dunno, maybe they equate LMTs with this type:
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IMNSHO, if the advertising isn't for something that's illegal, it should be allowed, in all cases.
Well...

The Deplatforming Wars, Part I: Screwed by Cox - Taki's Magazine

Wanna hear a funny joke (funnier than that farmer one)? From Cox and Exon’s perspective, the CDA was all about stopping porn. But the very next year, the Supreme Court struck down most of the anti-porn provisions.

So what was left?

Buried within the law was section 230, which protects providers of interactive computer services from liability from any and all content posted by any and all users. If you’re a fan of the old FX series The Shield, you may remember the immunity deal the feds gave Mackey in the second-to-last episode. Well…this immunity deal makes that one look like nothing.

Do-gooderism was strong in Cox, but foresight was strong in Wyden. Jews may not be known for being farmers, but boy, did that mamzer plant a seed. Because CDA section 230 (c)(2)(A) gives providers of interactive online services complete and total immunity to remove any content they see fit, for whatever reason. As Cox was thinking, “This clause will help promote decency,” Wyden was likely thinking, “This clause will protect leftist orthodoxy from opposing views.”

The left’s holy grail—the total suppression and banishment of ideas they find objectionable. Exactly what we’re seeing now.
 
IMNSHO, if the advertising isn't for something that's illegal, it should be allowed, in all cases.

That's a slippery slope.

Let's say you own a shooting magazine. And some liberal group wants to come up and put a full-page ad in your magazine for anti-everything. It's tasteless, it will grossly offend your readers and borders on obscene. You should be REQUIRED to take the ad in your private magazine?

Now you're thinking, "Oh yeah, but I'd put stuff on either side of it explaining how much of a D-word they are and people would love me."

Let's say you have a website and you can't control the ad placement at all - they just pop up so you can't have something that rebuts it.

NOW what do you do????

Let's go a step further. . . . you aren't Google. You are some website that caters to kids. But you need ad revenue to run the site. And an ad appears advertising Butt-Stuff for Men, a numbing cream. NOW what do you do???

Remember. Google ads is this:

Google Ads, AKA Google AdWords, is Google'sadvertising system in which advertisers bid on certain keywords in order for their clickable ads to appear in Google's search results. Since advertisers have to pay for these clicks, this is how Google makes money from search.

This isn't about ads on Google. It's about ads on other sites. What I'd advocate as a simple solution is that Google allows platforms to opt in or out of categories. Again, as a gun group, I may not want political ads or something. Maybe if I have a legit massage website, I don't want massage ads - because it's competition. But letting the "consumer" (here meaning the people who are having the ads appear on their site) choose seems the most sensible alternative.

By and large, I don't support laws that "make" private parties "have" to do things. (I say by-and-large b/c someone will think of an exception by noon today.)
 
Good. Make big tech show some damn loyalty to this country and its culture for once.
Pigs will grow wings and fly first.

The reason big tech is Big Tech is not because they have built the better mousetrap, but because they have been applying the proper degree of oral... supplication is the word?
 
Good. Make big tech show some damn loyalty to this country and its culture for once.

Meh. If a private company wants to limit who says what, in their venue, that's very American, to me.

My house, my rules. That applies to everyone's house.

NES is the same....people have transgressed, and been banned.

Google is playing the America game, quite well. And, like it or not, the country, and its culture are changing. For better or for worse? Who can tell? (Except One-Eyed Jack, of course).

IIRC, "Make the Colonials show some damn loyalty to this country and its culture for once." was a causus belli around here, some time back. (Cut and pasted, cuz irony).
 
Except youtube and google get public funding, they claim to be publishers OR content providers, depending on which suits them better at the time.
 
In the next decade, internet companies will be forced by court edict to stop straddling. Either you are X or you are Y. You are either a publisher and are bound by those rules or not. Pick one and stick with it. No lane swapping.

I'm not really frustrated by this. We live in interesting times. The laws created 200 years ago don't apply so easily anymore. It's time for some work to ensure the old rules can apply "fairly" to all.
 
In the next decade, internet companies will be forced by court edict to stop straddling. Either you are X or you are Y. You are either a publisher and are bound by those rules or not. Pick one and stick with it. No lane swapping.

Used to be. But we have the Right to thank for f***ing this particular dog:

So, back in 1995, Chris Cox, GOP congressman and former senior counsel to Ronald Reagan, was killing time reading a newspaper when he should have been out shooting guns at old tin cans (that’s the best way to keep GOPs harmlessly occupied). And he read a story about how someone had won a defamation suit against some kinda newfangled “Internet” thingy called Prodigy, a service provider that hosted bulletin boards or something of that nature. At the time, previous court cases had determined that a service provider was not responsible for bulletin-board or message-board postings by users or subscribers (said postings in 1995 were, of course, mainly limited to debates over Captains Kirk vs. Picard). But in the Prodigy case, a court had determined that because Prodigy moderated comments, it was now a publisher by law, and therefore liable for the material it published. The court determined that content moderation is what makes an online platform provider legally liable. If they don’t moderate, they’re not responsible.

Well, Cox threw down that newspaper and rode his mighty steed to Capitol Hill, for to defeat this wickedness. From his perspective, if sites like Prodigy become liable simply by moderating third-party content, they’ll have a disincentive to moderate, and therefore these “bulletin boards” and “message boards” will become a Wild West of immorality. Prostitution! Kiddie porn! Donkey rape! Cox wanted more online moderation, so therefore immunity for those who moderate was needed.

Cox went to hardcore leftist Oregon Demeecrat Ron Wyden and was all like, “Bro, will you help me draft bipartisan legislation that’ll protect this newfangled ‘Internet’ thing from immorality by giving providers total immunity to police bad actors?” And I’d like to think that at this point, Wyden, seeing the gift that was being handed to him by this dumb-ass, began laughing maniacally in Cox’s face. Big, hearty, evil laughter. And Cox was like, “What’s so funny, dude?” And Wyden, eyes darting back and forth, replied, “Oh, nothing. Just a joke I heard earlier today. You know why a farmer never tells secrets in his field? The corn has ears!”

And Cox was like, “Oh dear heavens, that is funny! I’ll have to tell that one at Sunday supper. Now, to work!”

Almost certainly, Wyden, a son of Holocaust survivors who understands that repression is the only way to stop repressive forces from exercising repression, was thinking big-picture. Churchy McGee’s desire to sponsor a content-provider immunity bill could, long-term, pay big dividends for the left. So, a bipartisan bill, supported in the Senate by puritanical Nebraskan J. James Exon (taking a break from publishing the Daily Bugle) emerged—the Communications Decency Act (CDA) of 1996.

Wanna hear a funny joke (funnier than that farmer one)? From Cox and Exon’s perspective, the CDA was all about stopping porn. But the very next year, the Supreme Court struck down most of the anti-porn provisions.

So what was left?

Buried within the law was section 230, which protects providers of interactive computer services from liability from any and all content posted by any and all users. If you’re a fan of the old FX series The Shield, you may remember the immunity deal the feds gave Mackey in the second-to-last episode. Well…this immunity deal makes that one look like nothing.
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Here’s the text of CDA 230 (c)(2)(A). I’ve italicized and underlined the important parts:

No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be held liable on account of any action voluntarily taken in good faith to restrict access to or availability of material that the provider or user considers to be obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable, whether or not such material is constitutionally protected.

The Deplatforming Wars, Part I: Screwed by Cox - Taki's Magazine
 
Meh. If a private company wants to limit who says what, in their venue, that's very American, to me.

My house, my rules. That applies to everyone's house.

NES is the same....people have transgressed, and been banned.

Google is playing the America game, quite well. And, like it or not, the country, and its culture are changing. For better or for worse? Who can tell? (Except One-Eyed Jack, of course).

IIRC, "Make the Colonials show some damn loyalty to this country and its culture for once." was a causus belli around here, some time back. (Cut and pasted, cuz irony).

Yeah, tell that to the railroads, oil companies, telecomms (ie, AT&T) - Antitrust. When you get so large that you are the only option then you will get broken up. Or regulated to your eye teeth so that you become an equal opportunity platform. And then you will still get broken up as you try to wriggle around the new rules.
 
IMNSHO, if the advertising isn't for something that's illegal, it should be allowed, in all cases.

Yes!! And all bakeries must make cakes for weddings they morally oppose. And all men's clubs must be allowed to admit women. And NES must also post anti-gun advertising.

Sorry, it's their business, their rules. Government should not have a say in who they allow to advertise.
 
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