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Kamala Harris says she'll ban imports of all AR-15's

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Kamala Harris says she'll ban imports of all AR-15 style assault weapons if Congress doesn't act

(CNN)Sen. Kamala Harris on Wednesday announced that, if she is elected president, she will ban the importation of all AR-15 style assault weapons by executive action if Congress fails to act in the first 100 days of her administration.

Harris made the announcement at a campaign stop in New Hampshire.

"Assault weapons are designed to kill a lot of people in a very short period of time," Harris said.

"I think that this has got to be something that is understood, that we cannot any longer afford to allow people to make this a partisan issue," Harris added. "Those guns, those assault weapons, do not discriminate and determine, 'OK, is the person pointing it at, is it a Democrat or Republican.' "

Kamala Harris to promise she'll ban imports of all AR-15-style assault weapons if Congress doesn't act - CNNPolitics

Go lay an egg.
 
C. Stockwell said:
...Didn't Old Man Bush already do this? This would have no effect on the US gun market? All of the foreign gun companies make semi-autos in the US, like CZ, FN, Steyr, HK, SIG, and Beretta. Even IWI has a place in PA.
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I was thinking the same thing. It is like banning the import of Honda Odysseys.
 
Harris added. "Those guns, those assault weapons, do not discriminate and determine, 'OK, is the person pointing it at, is it a Democrat or Republican.' "
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Riiight... yeah, people do that. The gun is simply a tool - neither innocent nor guilty - driven to use by the intentional acts of people. Yet, I am not surprised that Harris would point this out as if to shock someone into enlightenment. It does provide some insight into how she thinks.
 
I think she should run with deleon as a running mate. [rofl] 30 caliber clip, 9000 shots per second, whole nine yards... [rofl]
 
I would like to address the "boyfriend loophole" that Harris mentions. While most of her other proposals would amount to 100% of nothing, the idea of closing the "boyfriend loophole" is dangerous ground. The premise is that a girlfriend of a disqualified person, who is not disqualified herself, should be prevented from possessing a firearm as it would amount to constructive possession on the part of the disqualified person.

The suggestion is that the girlfriend simply purchased the firearm so the boyfriend could have access to it. There are already laws forbidding straw purchases, and if that is the case the girlfriend should be charged as a straw purchaser. There are already laws in most states requiring proper storage of firearms that are not in your direct control as to prevent unauthorized access. If she is not securing the firearms to prevent the disqualified boyfriend from accessing them, then she should be charged accordingly.

There is a slippery slope. If the theoretical "girlfriend" does everything that is reasonable under current laws to prevent the "boyfriend" from unauthorized access, what loophole exists? Are reasonable measures going to prevent all unauthorized access? No, otherwise we wouldn't have theft issues as well. Should we also close the "theft loophole"? Here is where the slippery slope lies. If the reasonable care by a lawful actor is insufficient to prevent the illegal access and use by a prohibited person, should the lawful actor be made to forfeit their right to firearms possession solely based on their proximity to the prohibited person? What if you are not in a relationship with anyone and live in a high crime area. There are no prohibited persons within your household, but you are still in close proximity. What if you, a qualified owner, and your spouse who is also qualified, have minor children? What if you live with an elderly parent who has dementia and is under guardianship? This is not just about gangbanger's girlfriends. Too much room to deny possession to qualified people.
 
" Additionally, the Harris proposal would have the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives suspend all assault weapons imports until the agency studies and determines admissibility under the "sporting purpose" test, said the Harris official."

How can they be classified as "assault weapons" before they are subjected to this so-called "sporting purpose" test? Per her take on it, this would be akin to saying they are going to "..test all illegal guns to see if they are illegal". The logic makes no sense and shows obvious signs of bias.
 
Varmint said:
If she's elected president, she should try to ban .50 cal sniper rifles instead. Just sayin'
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Yes but it's probably best not to let them know this. Suddenly any hunting rifle with a scope will be a "sniper rifle".
 
Harris' new proposal "would ban AR-15-style assault weapon imports because they are not 'suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes.' Additionally, the Harris proposal would have the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives suspend all assault weapons imports until the agency studies and determines admissibility under the "sporting purpose" test, said the Harris official.

Totally misleading title
 
whatluck said:
Harris' new proposal "would ban AR-15-style assault weapon imports because they are not 'suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes.' Additionally, the Harris proposal would have the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives suspend all assault weapons imports until the agency studies and determines admissibility under the "sporting purpose" test, said the Harris official.

Totally misleading title
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Again though, what would this hypothetical XO do that would impact the current market? To be clear, I'm riding the Trump 2020 train all the way.

The Bush ban on imported semi-autos already prevents the import of guns like the FAL, G3, FAMAS, and whole, non-neutered AKs. The AKs we saw until the MOLOT/Saiga embargo were heavily neutered with thumbhole stocks, pinned muzzle threads, and 5 or 10-round mags. Other guns like the SVD and SVT were banned by the Clinton-Yeltsin Treaty. There are extremely few, if any, imported AR receivers. What's this hypothetical import going to do? Ban castings?

All of foreign companies that sell MSRs/battle rifles here on the private market have production facilities here in the US. There are also other laws out there banning the import of US-made military hardware (SK Garands) and we can't bring in say L1A1 or AR180 receivers based on machine gun laws.
 
C. Stockwell said:
Again though, what would this hypothetical XO do that would impact the current market? To be clear, I'm riding the Trump 2020 train all the way.

The Bush ban on imported semi-autos already prevents the import of guns like the FAL, G3, FAMAS, and whole, non-neutered AKs. The AKs we saw until the MOLOT/Saiga embargo were heavily neutered with thumbhole stocks, pinned muzzle threads, and 5 or 10-round mags. Other guns like the SVD and SVT were banned by the Clinton-Yeltsin Treaty. There are extremely few, if any, imported AR receivers. What's this hypothetical import going to do? Ban castings?

All of foreign companies that sell MSRs/battle rifles here on the private market have production facilities here in the US. There are also other laws out there banning the import of US-made military hardware (SK Garands) and we can't bring in say L1A1 or AR180 receivers based on machine gun laws.
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'all imported semi auto weapons' could mean handguns and shotguns too
 
whatluck said:
'all imported semi auto weapons' could mean handguns and shotguns too
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Your quote doesn't say anything about "all imported semis", just "AR15-style assault weapons." A pistol isn't an AR15. Logically, such an XO would defer to the '94 AWB or current proposed AWB bills.
 
C. Stockwell said:
Your quote doesn't say anything about "all imported semis", just "AR15-style assault weapons." A pistol isn't an AR15. Logically, such an XO would defer to the '94 AWB or current proposed AWB bills.
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Additionally, the Harris proposal would have the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives suspend all assault weapons imports until the agency studies and determines admissibility under the "sporting purpose" test, said the Harris official.
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ATF already tests all imported guns under the sporting purpose "standard." Pistols: look at the TT-33 and M57. They have the retrofitted safeties to add to their "sporting purpose" score because their .30 caliber is a negative in the points scoring system. PPKs failed the sporting purpose test because they're too small and the .32s were of a similarly-small bore. So PPK production moved to the US for the US market after GCA 68.

Most shotguns are presumptively for "sporting purposes." Like I posted in No. 5, what would be banned? Turkish AR shotguns? But in order to be here, the AR shotguns and other imported ones like say the Century Catamounts or whatever they're called now already have to pass the "sporting purposes" test.
 

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