- Apr 24, 2006
- Chelmsford MA
There seems to be a consistent problem among a big portion of the American people.I'm not sure what you're getting upset about, and I don't see a military coup as somehow a better option to civilian govt. I don't see a large govt presence of any type as a benefit to liberty. Perhaps you do - and if so we just fundamentally disagree.
Basically: they expect "somebody else" - to solve all their problems for them.
People on the left expect all sorts of free shit - and expect to be able to just elect an omnipotent leader who will just make the world into their socialist paradise.
People on the right - pretty much expect the same thing , except in their world they want their retirement protected, people to be banned from having abortions, and the US military to be spread all over the world to "protect us" - and they want the government to be cut down and taxes to be lowered. But in the end - they're still looking for "somebody else" - to do it all.
When you start talking about the US going full retard into civil war or something like that - a good many libertarians and conservatives think the US military is going to somehow ride to their rescue. Maybe they base that on the whole "enemies foreign and domestic" thing. I don't know.
I remember reading something a few years back - from an Army officer - if I remember correctly he claimed to be a Lt. with combat experience in Iraq and Afghanistan - that laid out the problem pretty nicely.
He basically said that without the AMERICAN PEOPLE doing something to correct the situation - it was not the military's place to go off script and try to fix the problems themselves. If the bulk of the American people agree with the CIVILIAN government - then if the military starts to openly challenge that - the military is WRONG. In this country we still have a military that is commanded by a CIVILIAN.
Now - if we get to a situation where the US government is going full retard on people - and people have started fighting back by doing things like having states secede - and attempting to elect "representatives" to bring the government to heel - and the government is openly and wantonly ignoring that - and suppressing it -and openly and egregiously violating the Constitution and just human rights in general - well that is a different situation.
I can imagine a scenario where the senior leaders in the Federal government have gone so full retard that states secede - and people are in open rebellion against the government - some places more than others ( being in MA would probably put a good many of us behind enemy lines - so to speak) . In that kind of scenario I can see the military being stuck with a real dilemna - because the "civilian leadership" - they are supposed to obey - would still be in place. But things would potentially be such that the civilian leadership - would be considered "a domestic enemy" - by at least some people.
It's these kind of subtleties why I think it's important for 'conservatives' and libertarians - to continue to goad the government into going full retard.
Sun Tzu said that the supreme art of warfare is to defeat the enemy without having to fight them. Alinsky taught methods by which a bureaucracy's rules can be used against them to defeat them.
Our government is a caricature of that which we should have in this country. The latest behavior during the shutdown shows that clearly.
It's up to us - as 'civilians' - to goad and push the government into behaving in a manner that fully morally justifies putting them down like the rabid dog they have become.
Currently - they are actually "behaving" - at least enough to continue putting up with them because the costs of putting them down outweigh the benefits of doing so. Given the trend though - I don't think that state will continue.