"JUST FOLLOWING ORDERS"

CTpatriot

Banned
Rating - 100%
3   0   0
Joined
Feb 13, 2013
Messages
7,750
Likes
1,027
Whoever believed they would do the right thing and risk their jobs was a fool in the first place. Even those that are vocal here WILL follow orders when the day comes. They may be nice guys, and even believe that they won't, but in the end, they WILL knock on your door and try to collect. They will have a bazillion excuses for themselves. Human nature. And the lion share of the "molon labe" crowd WILL comply. Also human nature.
and these guys wont hear the crack the second they step out of their car when they think they are walking into their "safe zone"
 
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
Joined
Aug 27, 2013
Messages
308
Likes
58
Location
New Hampshire
Please read my above post. Read between the lines. There is a current internal struggle within the .mil with the current civilian authority. With the recent "sequestration" and now this, the.mil puts its ass on the line and get shafted first in line, case in point which is a huge topic of discussion today in the worlds largest Airborne and Special Ops base is, Why do our families take the big hit for the biggest sacrifice, many of the so called " posse members" are a tad fed up with what the civilian authority is throwing at them.
There is a reason there has been a purge of Generals and admiral in the past few years, but the command structure below them is really pissed off.
Figure it out folks.
I understand your point, but things are going to have to be cut one way or another. Every facet of govt needs to be pared, and that includes ones that my fellow conservatives don't want to touch. If you think a large number of people who are getting govt checks are going to disobey their orders when told to confiscate weapons, round people up etc, I just disagree. This includes military. I'm not saying they're bad people -- some people will refuse orders. But it's not a safe bet to assume just because you like a particular part of the govt, they'll like you back when push comes to shove.
 
Rating - 100%
6   0   0
Joined
Jun 11, 2009
Messages
10,784
Likes
1,874
Location
Grid 17S with bugout longterm shelter and great fi
the minute anybody starts following unconstitutional orders: engage at will.
That is not a blanket statement, if its a 12:1, what good does it do, except to be a stat. Look, if it is narrowing down to this, you have better be more prepared than, "Their coming to my house and I'll die trying". Way before anything of them going to " your" house, you have better have had a serious understanding of who is with you and who is not. By the time you have them coming to your house, they will have visited many others, perhaps and more than likely, at once. Either there are fields of fire or you go quietly breathing or not.
If it has gotten to the point of door to door and following unconstitutional orders, the shooting and dieing will have started long before they get to your house, unless your the unfortunate bastard that gets to start the next civil war.
 

CTpatriot

Banned
Rating - 100%
3   0   0
Joined
Feb 13, 2013
Messages
7,750
Likes
1,027
Spot on!




No it has to do with "mob mentality". They never send merely ONE officer/person in to do those dirty jobs, they go in as a group. People will do things as a group that they would NEVER even consider doing as an individual.
yes but these guys better remember they go home alone at night.
 
Rating - 100%
6   0   0
Joined
Jun 11, 2009
Messages
10,784
Likes
1,874
Location
Grid 17S with bugout longterm shelter and great fi
I understand your point, but things are going to have to be cut one way or another. Every facet of govt needs to be pared, and that includes ones that my fellow conservatives don't want to touch. If you think a large number of people who are getting govt checks are going to disobey their orders when told to confiscate weapons, round people up etc, I just disagree. This includes military. I'm not saying they're bad people -- some people will refuse orders. But it's not a safe bet to assume just because you like a particular part of the govt, they'll like you back when push comes to shove.
Big hatred between civ gov't and mil, when the money's gone, the money's gone, then the loyalty really speaks. If the .gov can't pay the .mil, then guess what, there ain't no loyalty. Just look at the recent examples of military pay cuts, and refusal to pay for military death insurance, 4 Army and 1 Marine this past weekend are being refused burial and life insurance benefits. Keep the good work up, I'm sure we'll be there to back the civilian government.
What the **** dude, stop stereotyping when unless you've worn the boots, hit the ground, been shot at and damn near blown up and had friends die for this bullshit governments decisions, there's some very unhappies and lots of them. So if our country does fall, the current *******s aren't getting much support.
 
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
Joined
Aug 27, 2013
Messages
308
Likes
58
Location
New Hampshire
Big hatred between civ gov't and mil, when the money's gone, the money's gone, then the loyalty really speaks. If the .gov can't pay the .mil, then guess what, there ain't no loyalty. Just look at the recent examples of military pay cuts, and refusal to pay for military death insurance, 4 Army and 1 Marine this past weekend are being refused burial and life insurance benefits. Keep the good work up, I'm sure we'll be there to back the civilian government.
What the **** dude, stop stereotyping when unless you've worn the boots, hit the ground, been shot at and damn near blown up and had friends die for this bullshit governments decisions, there's some very unhappies and lots of them. So if our country does fall, the current *******s aren't getting much support.
I'm not sure what you're getting upset about, and I don't see a military coup as somehow a better option to civilian govt. I don't see a large govt presence of any type as a benefit to liberty. Perhaps you do - and if so we just fundamentally disagree.
 
Rating - 100%
6   0   0
Joined
Jun 11, 2009
Messages
10,784
Likes
1,874
Location
Grid 17S with bugout longterm shelter and great fi
I'm not sure what you're getting upset about, and I don't see a military coup as somehow a better option to civilian govt. I don't see a large govt presence of any type as a benefit to liberty. Perhaps you do - and if so we just fundamentally disagree.
Not upset, words don't make me upset, actions do. Never mentioned a military coup, those are your words. What I wrote was a dissatisfaction that has spread through officers and NCO's, not a good morale situation if called upon to perform "mob mentality" directives.
Upset, your funny!
 

frenchman

NES Member
Rating - 100%
1   0   0
Joined
Sep 13, 2012
Messages
6,848
Likes
4,040
sometimes I even feel like a nut; sometimes I don't.
Be a little more elaborate in your answers. What kind of nut? Left wing nut, right wing nut, gun nut, walnut? You're a jackass. I mean, who orders a burger medium well( medium rare rules), and confuses people, worse, his fellow board members with terms like "go-athkeepers"? You are here because you are an agent of the NSA, or NASA, or whatever. And you're here to distract us from listening to Michaeljr, so we will miss it when he calls go time. I got you all figured out, ocifer.
 

Roland Deschain

NES Member
Rating - 100%
50   0   0
Joined
Feb 22, 2009
Messages
6,374
Likes
5,257
Be a little more elaborate in your answers. What kind of nut? Left wing nut, right wing nut, gun nut, walnut? You're a jackass. I mean, who orders a burger medium well( medium rare rules), and confuses people, worse, his fellow board members with terms like "go-athkeepers"? You are here because you are an agent of the NSA, or NASA, or whatever. And you're here to distract us from listening to Michaeljr, so we will miss it when he calls go time. I got you all figured out, ocifer.
Yes. I am a mole.

Eta: you're not ready for my next gen humor. I'm sorry.
 
Last edited:
Rating - 100%
4   0   0
Joined
May 3, 2009
Messages
5,442
Likes
1,896
yeah, so much for the cops refusing to following illegal / unconstitutional / immoral orders.
This isn't really a "just following orders" case. That's usually the excuse given with an order they know to be unlawful, but that they do have some reservation of some kind.

Here, the government agents seem to be fully behind and a proud to engage in the conduct at hand.
 
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
Joined
Feb 11, 2009
Messages
3,480
Likes
1,166
Location
Louisiana
No one is speaking for you, but I gotta tell ya that on my experience in living in over six decades, sometimes in trying and difficult circumstances, the most angry and indignant are frequently the ones that fold first. Now Frenchman makes a general statement based on his life experience as a professional soldier in a much tougher outfit than I was ever in and in shitty little places that you probably never heard of because they were part of the former French Colonial Empire but still turn to France for help. Lotsa little wars and "police actions" counter insurgency actions and such that just don't make the newspapers here. I can tell this though in places like that and even places where I've been, men are judged by what they do and not what they say. Nobody has called you out or accused you of anything, yet you are all angry and thin skinned. Why the tough guy posture and why take it so personally when the majority of people are sheep. Both my life and the lessons of history have proven this. Ya know we are all on the same side here ...I hope you are for the 2A. Why be angry at a potential comrade in arms? It just plumb doesn't make sense to me...just askin [wink]
I can say the same thing to everyone who takes every opportunity to slam LEO's. *nudge nudge*


An underlying point of discussion is what type of people will work for what types of agencies. NPS are generally treehuggers, a lot of them are liberal/progressive to boot. Generally, you have to stand for something to stand for something. I joined my particular agency because of what it does, not for the paycheck since it was a pay cut and living conditions generally suck. My job description is taken almost directly from the wording of the founding documents. Aticle I Section 8, To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

Also, to throw the LEO community under the bus would have to expect the vast majority of the population to suddenly grow a spine and stand for something in contrast. I go back to my argument as to the percentage of LEO's are ex-military and the oaths they took vs the standing military everyone here seems to hold to such a high Constitutional standard. LEO's are a very high percentage of former military, probably higher percentage wise than the general population as a whole. This is an anecdotal observation, but I've been around 40 plus years myself and have lived all over the country.

I would not do what they are asking, I'm sure someone would suddenly be lost and need my assistance in finding them. Public safety being first and foremost and all.
 

mark056

NES Member
Rating - 100%
9   0   0
Joined
Sep 11, 2005
Messages
8,986
Likes
3,530
Location
Leoburg/Fitchminster area
I can say the same thing to everyone who takes every opportunity to slam LEO's. *nudge nudge* An underlying point of discussion is what type of people will work for what types of agencies. NPS are generally treehuggers, a lot of them are liberal/progressive to boot. Generally, you have to stand for something to stand for something. I joined my particular agency because of what it does, not for the paycheck since it was a pay cut and living conditions generally suck. My job description is taken almost directly from the wording of the founding documents. Aticle I Section 8, To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States; Also, to throw the LEO community under the bus would have to expect the vast majority of the population to suddenly grow a spine and stand for something in contrast. I go back to my argument as to the percentage of LEO's are ex-military and the oaths they took vs the standing military everyone here seems to hold to such a high Constitutional standard. LEO's are a very high percentage of former military, probably higher percentage wise than the general population as a whole. This is an anecdotal observation, but I've been around 40 plus years myself and have lived all over the country. I would not do what they are asking, I'm sure someone would suddenly be lost and need my assistance in finding them. Public safety being first and foremost and all.
I work for the largest law enforcement agency in New England and am a retired Army CWO still bound by law to my oath of office. No one is talking about slamming the police here. You have confused two entirely two different issues, however if you cannot honestly see that there has been a paradigm shift in the attitude of the police before and after 9/11 then you might want to reevaluate your position. This is a separate topic and there are dozens of anarchists posing as Libertarians here on NES, not talking about that. The gist of the topic appears to be that the average normal citizen will fall lockstep behind the government and do what they are told. Be it registering and turning in their guns, informing on their neighbors, or getting a job as a guard at the local internment camp. Look at yourself, you have already wrapped yourself around the cloak of virtue by defending your agency by the laws you enforce as if to imply that maybe you are a little better than the average NES schlep cop basher...(lotsa of them totally clueless BTW as far as understanding procedurals and the law and the system , but they get the growing sense of entitlement right, the overly generous pay and benefits right at least here in the Northeast, the Guild system that passes the Job from father to son, the militarization and tactical equipment, and increasing influence by DHS and DOJ thru grant money to create a de facto national police force) you know what's best right ? Well already you have taken the first step by segregating yourself from the masses, but again this isn't what this is about. People get all uppity and yell Godwin, Godwin but Germany in the 1930s and 40s remains the classic case study. Here was a western industrialized state, home of some of the greatest composers, philosophers, poets, artists and scientists that ever lived. Yet became a bastion of pure evil. The people, not the Army, not the not the police, the people went right along with it for the most part. They were seduced and when they found out they were screwed, it was too late. North Korea, Cuba, Uzbekistan some shithole countries in Africa with wretched governments manage to stay in power? How? People are sheep and will more willingly take security over freedom any day and if ratting on your neighbor for having an illegal radio will get you an extra rice ration, so be it. So take umbrage, but you don't know what you will do until the time comes and what choices you might have to make. "Fire into that crowd or your family will be executed" might make all the oaths in the world pale in comparison to your emotions...or not. [wink] Stay safe and continue to try to do your best which is all anybody can do, but I honestly believe that we all have limits and none of us can say with 100 percent certainty what we would do in any given situation. [cheers]

Re-read 1984. In the end even Winston learned to love Big Brother. [rolleyes]
 
Last edited:

Quiet

Banned
Rating - 100%
1   0   0
Joined
Jan 31, 2013
Messages
9,698
Likes
1,806
Location
2122 N. Clark St.
Epic. Classic.
I work for the largest law enforcement agency in New England and am a retired Army CWO still bound by law to my oath of office. No one is talking about slamming the police here. You have confused two entirely two different issues, however if you cannot honestly see that there has been a paradigm shift in the attitude of the police before and after 9/11 then you might want to reevaluate your position. This is a separate topic and there are dozens of anarchists posing as Libertarians here on NES, not talking about that. The gist of the topic appears to be that the average normal citizen will fall lockstep behind the government and do what they are told. Be it registering and turning in their guns, informing on their neighbors, or getting a job as a guard at the local internment camp. Look at yourself, you have already wrapped yourself around the cloak of virtue by defending your agency by the laws you enforce as if to imply that maybe you are a little better than the average NES schlep cop basher...(lotsa of them totally clueless BTW as far as understanding procedurals and the law and the system , but they get the growing sense of entitlement right, the overly generous pay and benefits right at least here in the Northeast, the Guild system that passes the Job from father to son, the militarization and tactical equipment, and increasing influence by DHS and DOJ thru grant money to create a de facto national police force) you know what's best right ? Well already you have taken the first step by segregating yourself from the masses, but again this isn't what this is about. People get all uppity and yell Godwin, Godwin but Germany in the 1930s and 40s remains the classic case study. Here was a western industrialized state, home of some of the greatest composers, philosophers, poets, artists and scientists that ever lived. Yet became a bastion of pure evil. The people, not the Army, not the not the police, the people went right along with it for the most part. They were seduced and when they found out they were screwed, it was too late. North Korea, Cuba, Uzbekistan some shithole countries in Africa with wretched governments manage to stay in power? How? People are sheep and will more willingly take security over freedom any day and if ratting on your neighbor for having an illegal radio will get you an extra rice ration, so be it. So take umbrage, but you don't know what you will do until the time comes and what choices you might have to make. "Fire into that crowd or your family will be executed" might make all the oaths in the world pale in comparison to your emotions...or not. [wink] Stay safe and continue to try to do your best which is all anybody can do, but I honestly believe that we all have limits and none of us can say with 100 percent certainty what we would do in any given situation. [cheers]

Re-read 1984. In the end even Winston learned to love Big Brother. [rolleyes]
 

fencer

NES Member
Rating - 100%
9   0   0
Joined
Oct 19, 2009
Messages
11,159
Likes
7,185
Location
Southeastern Mass
I think that one of the biggest mistakes being made by the .gov during this whole shutdown thing is not making provisions to make sure that the military is still well taken care of through this debacle.

Those in the military will not soon forget that the Pentagon left families hanging so that the media could use it to make headlines and push an agenda
 
Rating - 100%
11   0   0
Joined
Feb 25, 2013
Messages
3,263
Likes
961
Location
SE NH, ex-MA
I work for the largest law enforcement agency in New England and am a retired Army CWO still bound by law to my oath of office. No one is talking about slamming the police here. You have confused two entirely two different issues, however if you cannot honestly see that there has been a paradigm shift in the attitude of the police before and after 9/11 then you might want to reevaluate your position. This is a separate topic and there are dozens of anarchists posing as Libertarians here on NES, not talking about that. The gist of the topic appears to be that the average normal citizen will fall lockstep behind the government and do what they are told. Be it registering and turning in their guns, informing on their neighbors, or getting a job as a guard at the local internment camp. Look at yourself, you have already wrapped yourself around the cloak of virtue by defending your agency by the laws you enforce as if to imply that maybe you are a little better than the average NES schlep cop basher...(lotsa of them totally clueless BTW as far as understanding procedurals and the law and the system , but they get the growing sense of entitlement right, the overly generous pay and benefits right at least here in the Northeast, the Guild system that passes the Job from father to son, the militarization and tactical equipment, and increasing influence by DHS and DOJ thru grant money to create a de facto national police force) you know what's best right ? Well already you have taken the first step by segregating yourself from the masses, but again this isn't what this is about. People get all uppity and yell Godwin, Godwin but Germany in the 1930s and 40s remains the classic case study. Here was a western industrialized state, home of some of the greatest composers, philosophers, poets, artists and scientists that ever lived. Yet became a bastion of pure evil. The people, not the Army, not the not the police, the people went right along with it for the most part. They were seduced and when they found out they were screwed, it was too late. North Korea, Cuba, Uzbekistan some shithole countries in Africa with wretched governments manage to stay in power? How? People are sheep and will more willingly take security over freedom any day and if ratting on your neighbor for having an illegal radio will get you an extra rice ration, so be it. So take umbrage, but you don't know what you will do until the time comes and what choices you might have to make. "Fire into that crowd or your family will be executed" might make all the oaths in the world pale in comparison to your emotions...or not. [wink] Stay safe and continue to try to do your best which is all anybody can do, but I honestly believe that we all have limits and none of us can say with 100 percent certainty what we would do in any given situation. [cheers]

Re-read 1984. In the end even Winston learned to love Big Brother. [rolleyes]
+1 As a former citizen of a communist country, I endorse the insight above.

One of the first things you learned was to trust nobody by default, and as few people as possible, even if they've proven themselves to be trustworthy. Even strong people can be broken with enough "enhanced interrogation", including threats to their close family members, etc.

Need to know, opsec and all that.

EDIT: On the Big Brother thing - there will always be a large number of people who do not drink the koolaid but merely go through the motions to avoid getting in trouble. Problem is, you never know how many of them and who they are :)
 

strangenh

NES Member
Rating - 100%
35   0   0
Joined
Dec 17, 2007
Messages
6,231
Likes
1,269
Location
NH
Those of us not getting into an online pissing match about who will or won't do what when the curtain goes up know that not everyone will do the ballsy thing when the time comes. We only hope enough will. And rather than crapping on them, we salute those who are sure they won't do evil. Time will tell, but I'd rather say thanks in advance then treat them as liars before they are even tested.

The Yellowstone tourists' story should be shocking to everyone. Openly armed gov officials, for no lawful reason, took ordinary, non-activist, non-political, ordinary folks, and under threat of violence herded them on a nonstop trip to a gov-selected destination, ensuring those along their route would not succor them in any way. Mostly benign in outcome this time, thankfully. Like a test run for totalitarianism.
 

Scarecrow

Army Veteran
Rating - 100%
3   0   0
Joined
May 9, 2012
Messages
3,245
Likes
736
Location
Castle Anthrax
Big hatred between civ gov't and mil, when the money's gone, the money's gone, then the loyalty really speaks. If the .gov can't pay the .mil, then guess what, there ain't no loyalty. Just look at the recent examples of military pay cuts, and refusal to pay for military death insurance, 4 Army and 1 Marine this past weekend are being refused burial and life insurance benefits. Keep the good work up, I'm sure we'll be there to back the civilian government.
What the **** dude, stop stereotyping when unless you've worn the boots, hit the ground, been shot at and damn near blown up and had friends die for this bullshit governments decisions, there's some very unhappies and lots of them. So if our country does fall, the current *******s aren't getting much support.
Sadly, some of my military guys will blindly follow orders... the rest of them would take the shot themselves, if they had half a chance. People up in the E8 and O5 spots in my area have quietly voiced their thoughts on this, and RI, at least, will not just roll over quietly. If they want to confiscate weapons, they'll have to find some other lackey to do it.

Yes. I am a mole.
I thought you were more of a meerkat, or maybe a groundhog? If you see your shadow, 3 more weeks of FR ammo pricing?

Edit: Not belittling, just trying to toss some kind of humor in a dreary subject.
 
Last edited:

Jason Flare

NES Member
Rating - 100%
4   0   0
Joined
Dec 28, 2012
Messages
8,785
Likes
5,605
Location
Berkshires
You look at your neighbors, your comrades: Let's either resist or protest! But all your comrades, all your fellow Article 58's, who have been plundered one by one even before you go there, sit there submissively, hunched over, and they stare right past you, and it's even worse when they look at you the way they always do look at you, as though no violence were going on at all, no plundering, as though it were a natural phenomenon, as though it were the grass growing and the rain falling.

And the reason why, gentlemen, comrades, and brothers, is that the proper time was allowed to slip by!

Alexander Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago
 

calsdad

NES Member
Rating - 100%
28   0   0
Joined
Apr 24, 2006
Messages
37,656
Likes
12,392
Location
Chelmsford MA
Folks, We really do not have start anything. There will be a dust up of some kind that will light the fuse, when or what it will be, I don't know, but we will know it when it happens. It will be bigger than us and the game will be on.
The government will start it. The same way the "government" started it the first time around.
 

calsdad

NES Member
Rating - 100%
28   0   0
Joined
Apr 24, 2006
Messages
37,656
Likes
12,392
Location
Chelmsford MA
No one is speaking for you, but I gotta tell ya that on my experience in living in over six decades, sometimes in trying and difficult circumstances, the most angry and indignant are frequently the ones that fold first. Now Frenchman makes a general statement based on his life experience as a professional soldier in a much tougher outfit than I was ever in and in shitty little places that you probably never heard of because they were part of the former French Colonial Empire but still turn to France for help. Lotsa little wars and "police actions" counter insurgency actions and such that just don't make the newspapers here. I can tell this though in places like that and even places where I've been, men are judged by what they do and not what they say. Nobody has called you out or accused you of anything, yet you are all angry and thin skinned. Why the tough guy posture and why take it so personally when the majority of people are sheep. Both my life and the lessons of history have proven this. Ya know we are all on the same side here ...I hope you are for the 2A. Why be angry at a potential comrade in arms? It just plumb doesn't make sense to me...just askin [wink]
Yea - probably true, but I think I know why.

I've had a number of "angry and indignant" people tell me that if and when things go to shit - they'll likely be the last ones to lead the charge - the way they look at it is that they've been putting their neck out there for a long time trying to get people to listen - on the premise that they felt if enough people changed their minds and paid attention - the shit could be deflected from hitting the fan in the first place.

So when it gets to the time when SHTF time is here - they figure "screw it - I've already paid my price - it's time for somebody else to pony up for a change" - and they just bow out.
 

frenchman

NES Member
Rating - 100%
1   0   0
Joined
Sep 13, 2012
Messages
6,848
Likes
4,040
Fighting will always cost you. Fighting with words, through politics and such, is exhausting. You keep talking, making clear arguments with undeniable facts, and the other side will just turn around and do as if you're crazy or something. It takes a lot of restraint not to beat some sense into "their" heads, at least it does for me. To be perfectly honest with you guys, I'd much rather let black hills and federal do the talking by now.
 

calsdad

NES Member
Rating - 100%
28   0   0
Joined
Apr 24, 2006
Messages
37,656
Likes
12,392
Location
Chelmsford MA
Please read my above post. Read between the lines. There is a current internal struggle within the .mil with the current civilian authority. With the recent "sequestration" and now this, the.mil puts its ass on the line and get shafted first in line, case in point which is a huge topic of discussion today in the worlds largest Airborne and Special Ops base is, Why do our families take the big hit for the biggest sacrifice, many of the so called " posse members" are a tad fed up with what the civilian authority is throwing at them.
There is a reason there has been a purge of Generals and admiral in the past few years, but the command structure below them is really pissed off.
Figure it out folks.
If I've figured it out correctly - this makes me happy.

If the military is pissed off at the "civilan leadership" - that's probably a good thing.

Unless they decide to take things into their own hands and institute some sort of military dictatorship or something like that. Given the current level of communism and douchiness coming from our "elected leaders" - I'm more than happy with knowing that they're pissing off the military.

Now if "conservatives" would pull their head out of their ass and realize that having that pissed off military distributed all around the world does absolutely nothing to help us - we might have a beginnings of a real happenin' party.
 

frenchman

NES Member
Rating - 100%
1   0   0
Joined
Sep 13, 2012
Messages
6,848
Likes
4,040
Lol, what's next? Ask Haliburton to make less money. The troops overseas generate a humongous revenue to very few companies with a lobby that that makes the word "extreme" look like nothing.
Its not good for the troops, it's not good for the families, and it's not good for the country. But it's VERY good for a chosen few with a lot of influence.
 
Rating - 100%
4   0   0
Joined
Aug 4, 2010
Messages
8,677
Likes
964
Location
New Bedford
Resistance to authority exists on different levels.

In order to resist - first you must mentally ackowledge that it is your right to resist.

Most people I've met - including a good portion of people here on NES - can't even mentally accept resistance.

That's the real problem.
It is a problem but one that is deeply routed. Ill use myself for example, I was taught at a young age to respect authority no matter what, schools more than anything tell you this. It wasnt until i started getting influenced by you bunch of savages [laugh][wink] with your radical theories on liberty that i even began to question some of the things i had believed in.
 

frenchman

NES Member
Rating - 100%
1   0   0
Joined
Sep 13, 2012
Messages
6,848
Likes
4,040
It is a problem but one that is deeply routed. Ill use myself for example, I was taught at a young age to respect authority no matter what, schools more than anything tell you this. It wasnt until i started getting influenced by you bunch of savages [laugh][wink] with your radical theories on liberty that i even began to question some of the things i had believed in.
Now, if only we could get 200 million more people to read here with the same open mind, we'd be all set.
and I agree on the savages part. People here with their weird attitude of wanting to live as free men, that's no good company for a civilized man.
 
Top Bottom