Join the army. No guns for you.

This is the kind of think that will keep more people away from joining as indicated by @MetalliCorey 's response. If that keeps up you'll start to hear whispers of a draft of some nature to fill the ranks. Or it'll go back to courts telling criminals they have a choice of jail or the military. They have to fill those slots somehow.

The types of people who own guns, and traditionally join the military, as a class, are the enemies of the people who hold the overwhelming majority of power in the United States.

If the US doesn't have some type of collapse or regime change in the next 5-10 years, I strongly believe you will start to see A) Heavy recruitment of illegals in exchange for citizenship and/or B) A US foreign legion. This is very similar to the trajectory Rome followed.
 
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Depends on what part of the "war zone" you're in.

Front line, certainly not.

Somewhere in the region, but in a support role? Yeah, they might have to store your weapons before you go to your place of duty. Nearby, but not on you. I'd call that disarmed.

At least that's how it was when I was in.

Also, it has nothing to do with "woke commanders." You get a bunch of folks that are under stress from their job, nevermind how deployments add to troubles at home, and it's not unheard of for family problems, including violence to happen. Or troops arguing with each other. Getting drunk, starting fights, escalating, etc. If troop welfare/safety isn't a priority to you, you're a shit commander.

Same reason rifles are locked up during boot camp except when drilling/at the range. Some folks handle the pressure well. But some snap.

ETA: Read some of this guy's other posts on DTI. Not someone I would go around quoting. Just my 2c. But you drink whatever Kool-aid you want.

I lived in on base family housing in 2020-2021 — think a neighborhood of ranch style houses. We could have any of our guns with us in our house, we just had to register them with base PMO and have it endorsed by our command. It was no issue, even as a student. They also sold any gun you could buy in a free state at the on base exchange — they were generally cheaper out in town though.

When your deployed (on a reasonably real one) you get to keep your guns and ammo. The only stuff we weren't allowed to keep was grenades, other explosives, etc.

In 2011 the LAWs and grenades just stayed in the gun trucks.


People forget that a lot of the folks in the military aren’t “gun” people. If these folks are not in a job where guns are regularly used, they can easily become someone who has shit weapons handling skills and a liability. Hence clearing barrels, not carrying loaded firearms even in bases overseas, etc,
 
There is nothing new about anything this click bit article claims except for the 25 year age limit to posess. Soldiers have had to store personal weapons in the units armory for f***ing decades.....and also register then with the pmo
 
It’s really amazing the different view that the Army (who uses guns) has from the Air Force (who typically doesn’t).
The Mass National Guard wanted to allow all guardsmen, Army and Air to be able to carry on base around 2010ish. Army TAG went complete sissy asshat and said no way. Air Guard had no problem.

Trying to get off base overseas in 2003, the gate guard went batshit that my M9 was chambered and safety off, per Air Force regs. He made me put the safety on before I could leave the base, which went back off once I was moving. (I gave up on the argument after a minute or two, it wasn’t worth it).

I’ve got other similar stories.
I remember this happening..... TAG at the time was jumping Joe Carter right? Lost his career shortly after over a 20 year old rape charge.
 
Is there a link to a source?

Its just a letter in response to a recomendation and not a rule? I ask bc im enlisting in the nat gaurd hoping to have less restrictions. If this is implying more, ill pull my paperwork
Joining the military so you have less restrictions when it comes to buying a gun? Sounds like a solid plan until you get sent to Ukraine lol

I would just move, seems a lot easier and less dangerous than fighting for the uni-party and Uncle Joe's agenda.
 
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What? I'm not sure what this means

So if i joined the army I would need to register my guns? Or only if I lived on base and needed to store them?
Depends on what post your stationed at. Each post commander sets the policy.

I was at camp Robinson Arkansas for a fee months and the commanders policy was the least restriction of any base I'd ever been stationed at. No personally owned fire arms on your person while on base. In your vehicle was fine. In your quarters was fine.
 
The left is following the communist agenda.

Disarming our military is definitely part of it.

Leftist polticians have been catering to communism for many decades.

A big part pot their transition conversion plan to communism is to disarm the people and the US has sought to start to disarm the military.

Strip them of their civilian weapons because they know they control the military weapons.

Leftist politicians have been screwing this country since at least WWII.
 
I remember as far back as 2002 guys that lived in base housing had to store their private guns in an armory. Never allowed them in barracks for any reason.

When you live in the barracks you are basically a kid with retarded, malicious parents. You can only have so much booze in your room, have to clean, can’t have porn mags, etc. I guess it depends on the unit, but this was some of the shit I saw.

Guys in off base housing have it better off but I learned early that you should never have anything they can take from you. If you do, they will threaten to take it constantly and eventually do it.
How things have changed. I have pictures of my room in A School after boot camp. The walls were brick but they were plastered with centerfold pictures from Playboy. I would hate to see what pictures are on the walls these days.
 
How things have changed. I have pictures of my room in A School after boot camp. The walls were brick but they were plastered with centerfold pictures from Playboy. I would hate to see what pictures are on the walls these days.
This all depends on the unit.....some are strict about the rooms and what's on the walls and some don't care. Hell.....around 2017 I walked into battalion headquarters tent (infantry battailion) about 15 minutes before a briefing began and there was porn playing on the wall of a tent from a projector. BC was in the tent too didn't even care.
 
This all depends on the unit.....some are strict about the rooms and what's on the walls and some don't care. Hell.....around 2017 I walked into battalion headquarters tent (infantry battailion) about 15 minutes before a briefing began and there was porn playing on the wall of a tent from a projector. BC was in the tent too didn't even care.

Agreed. VERY much depends on the unit.

I've found over the years that the biggest misconception non-veterans have about the Army is that it's all the same for everyone. They assume they can ask, "So, what was it like in the military?" and that whatever answer you give will have some universal truth to it.

Nope. Everyone who's actually been in the Army knows that your military experience might be VASTLY different from the experience of your counterpart in the next unit over, just because his BC and sergeant major believe different things than your BC and sergeant major. I actually had a commander once (West Pointer, holy roller) who tried to ban swearing and noted profanity as a bullet on his XO's OER. The XO couldn't believe what he was reading.

Banning profanity? In the Army? But this was only in 1998. Meanwhile, in the very next company, Joe and his officers were cussing up a storm.
 
This all depends on the unit.....some are strict about the rooms and what's on the walls and some don't care. Hell.....around 2017 I walked into battalion headquarters tent (infantry battailion) about 15 minutes before a briefing began and there was porn playing on the wall of a tent from a projector. BC was in the tent too didn't even care.

I’d bet that in todays mixed gender military this wouldn’t fly anymore. Hell, in the Navy Porn was circulated like cash when out at sea. It would be playing everywhere. Probably not anymore.
 
How things have changed. I have pictures of my room in A School after boot camp. The walls were brick but they were plastered with centerfold pictures from Playboy. I would hate to see what pictures are on the walls these days.
I was in the guard back in the 80's. I went to basic in 81. I had a really smoking GF back home who used to send me pictures of herself in a towel after a shower or in a bikini or some other such sexy pose.

I taped these pictures to the inside of my locker.

We had a male and a female drill sergeant.

The male was an e-6 happened to notice the pics one day during a locker inspection. He looked and as he turned and walked away you could see he cracked a bit of a smile. but didn't say anything.

Another time my locker was open the female sergeant (e-5) happened in and saw the pics. Made me take them down and store them in with my personal stuff.

She was such s douche.

She organized a 10 mile run that was voluntary. A bunch in my platoon decided to do it. about half way through she was down on the side of the road vomitting.

She had to be taken back by jeep. We finished the run.

We didn't see much of her after that.
 
Yawn.

This was the case at least 25 years ago on every post where I served. Probably since long before then, too.
In the 80s and 90s that wasn't the case in the AF. I lived in barracks, NCO barracks, off-base housing, and newly constructed on base single houses.
In the barracks, no firearms allowed. This is why most senior Survival Instructors/SERE Specialists had a pretty large collection of freedom sticks in their houses. [laugh]
I took firearms with me on TDY's and handed them to Instructor-friends living on base and they held on to them until we used them.
I can't imagine how many firearms are actually owned by instructors, who by nature, tend to be hunters and outdoorsmen and patriots. This is so f***ed up.

OBTW Also, keeping knives, axes and saws out of the dorms of an instructor [rofl]
 
I remember as far back as 2002 guys that lived in base housing had to store their private guns in an armory. Never allowed them in barracks for any reason.

When you live in the barracks you are basically a kid with retarded, malicious parents. You can only have so much booze in your room, have to clean, can’t have porn mags, etc. I guess it depends on the unit, but this was some of the shit I saw.

Guys in off base housing have it better off but I learned early that you should never have anything they can take from you. If you do, they will threaten to take it constantly and eventually do it.

This. They like to restrict any sort of weapon on-base. I recall wanting to send a knife to my SIL when he got stationed in Missouri and he said "NOOO!!!!!"

Anyone who is still in barracks at 25 or 24 or 23 is doing something wrong. They worked hard to kick them OUT of hte barracks as soon as possible.
 
Yawn.

This was the case at least 25 years ago on every post where I served. Probably since long before then, too.
Karen's....lol,

During 'Jungle Training' at Ft Bragg a bunch of us visited Phenix City, Al. We bought a bunch of handguns and ammo then proceed to fly across the country with non-issue weapons load our baggage on to a Liberty ship and then a 25 day cruising voyage to an hush-hush location. After a month I looked at that puny .38 and sold it to a redneck in my platoon.
 
What the? I(and many other guys) never didn’t have a pocket knife on us at all times on bases.
Yup. He said he went in that commisary and many others with no problem and this time there was guy (officer?) In there with a hair across his ass about no weapons. It was a effing 3" Keychain knife.
He was Navy, the other guy wasn't. Wasn't on a Navy base either. Not sure if that had anything to do with it.
I'll ask him again on the details. This happened 3 or so years ago.
One of the things that prompted him to put in his papers
 
Anyone who is still in barracks at 25 or 24 or 23 is doing something wrong. They worked hard to kick them OUT of hte barracks as soon as possible.
Maybe I’m remembering wrong, but didn’t you have to be married to get out of the barracks? I was 30 living in the barracks and it was pretty miserable
 
Yup. He said he went in that commisary and many others with no problem and this time there was guy (officer?) In there with a hair across his ass about no weapons. It was a effing 3" Keychain knife.
He was Navy, the other guy wasn't. Wasn't on a Navy base either. Not sure if that had anything to do with it.
I'll ask him again on the details. This happened 3 or so years ago.
One of the things that prompted him to put in his papers
There were restrictions on what knife we could carry. No butterfly knives, autos, or blades over a certain length. Everyone had a multitool or pocket knife.

I used my pocket knife probably 10x more in the Army than since getting out. They were so useful they even started issuing them to guys deploying
 
Maybe I’m remembering wrong, but didn’t you have to be married to get out of the barracks? I was 30 living in the barracks and it was pretty miserable
I remembering an nco getting divorced who 'had to' move back to base. He was never seen in the barracks, though.
Currently.

Assignment standards. Although law restricts BAH entitlement to the non-availability of government quarters, the services have the flexibility to require only members in lower paygrades to live on base because there is not enough unaccompanied housing for all. Other paygrades may live in unaccompanied housing, space permitting, once all unaccompanied personnel in the required paygrades are adequately assigned.

For example, Army policy no longer requires single E-6s stationed in the U.S. to live in barracks; that applies only to E-5s and below. However, in foreign countries, higher paygrades can be required to live on base.

The Air Force has placed a high priority on dormitory quality of life, centralizing the military construction program to replace the worst dorms first. Operations and maintenance dollars will be used to renovate dorms in order of priority of condition until new facilities can be built.

All single airmen in paygrades E-1 to E-3, and E-4s with less than three years of service, are provided unaccompanied housing. Air Force policy allows E-4s and above with at least three years of service to live off base, regardless of the on-base dormitory occupancy rate.

Coast Guard personnel stationed on ships of less than 1,000 gross tons are assigned government rooms ashore when in port. Crews of small Coast Guard cutters often occupy government-leased apartments.

The Marine Corps requires all single personnel in paygrades E-5 and below to live on base.

Navy policy requires all single sailors, E-1 to E-3 and E-4s with less than four years of service, to live in unaccompanied housing. Based on local conditions, as many E-4s with more than four years of service as possible should be living in unaccompanied housing. Enlisted sailors on sea duty who are authorized BAH to live in the local community do not have to give up their allowance when deployed.
 
I remembering an nco getting divorced who 'had to' move back to base. He was never seen in the barracks, though.
Currently.

Assignment standards. Although law restricts BAH entitlement to the non-availability of government quarters, the services have the flexibility to require only members in lower paygrades to live on base because there is not enough unaccompanied housing for all. Other paygrades may live in unaccompanied housing, space permitting, once all unaccompanied personnel in the required paygrades are adequately assigned.

For example, Army policy no longer requires single E-6s stationed in the U.S. to live in barracks; that applies only to E-5s and below. However, in foreign countries, higher paygrades can be required to live on base.

The Air Force has placed a high priority on dormitory quality of life, centralizing the military construction program to replace the worst dorms first. Operations and maintenance dollars will be used to renovate dorms in order of priority of condition until new facilities can be built.

All single airmen in paygrades E-1 to E-3, and E-4s with less than three years of service, are provided unaccompanied housing. Air Force policy allows E-4s and above with at least three years of service to live off base, regardless of the on-base dormitory occupancy rate.

Coast Guard personnel stationed on ships of less than 1,000 gross tons are assigned government rooms ashore when in port. Crews of small Coast Guard cutters often occupy government-leased apartments.

The Marine Corps requires all single personnel in paygrades E-5 and below to live on base.

Navy policy requires all single sailors, E-1 to E-3 and E-4s with less than four years of service, to live in unaccompanied housing. Based on local conditions, as many E-4s with more than four years of service as possible should be living in unaccompanied housing. Enlisted sailors on sea duty who are authorized BAH to live in the local community do not have to give up their allowance when deployed.
Yeah thats what I forgot. Had to be E-6 to get base housing. We were a task force composed of Guard units, so even our officers were in the barracks with us.

I actually had a secret knock for my door that only E-4 and below knew. No knock, no answer
 
Karen's....lol,

During 'Jungle Training' at Ft Bragg a bunch of us visited Phenix City, Al. We bought a bunch of handguns and ammo then proceed to fly across the country with non-issue weapons load our baggage on to a Liberty ship and then a 25 day cruising voyage to an hush-hush location. After a month I looked at that puny .38 and sold it to a redneck in my platoon.

Those were the good old days when the DI could hit you and if you brought that 38 around and shot yourself. . . or someone else "well, he just shot himself. What a moron. Casket or brig depending on the outcome."

Imagine if it was your grandchild that got shot by Noncom Bob who doesn't know the business end of a Glock in the barracks. You don't want some letter from the Army telling you your grandson just up and died. You want to know what happened. Hence, now there is a 59 month investigation if there is a discharge of a firearm. To stop wasting $ on investigations, they just say "let's leave the guns at home with momma, boys."

That's progress. You can't have one without the other.
 
Those were the good old days when the DI could hit you and if you brought that 38 around and shot yourself. . . or someone else "well, he just shot himself. What a moron. Casket or brig depending on the outcome."

Imagine if it was your grandchild that got shot by Noncom Bob who doesn't know the business end of a Glock in the barracks. You don't want some letter from the Army telling you your grandson just up and died. You want to know what happened. Hence, now there is a 59 month investigation if there is a discharge of a firearm. To stop wasting $ on investigations, they just say "let's leavThe e the guns at home with momma, boys."

That's progress. You can't have one without the other.
The DI's did beat the shite out of us. At that time I had been through AIT and MP training and knew quite well how to safely handle a handgun, so there's that....😂
 
Would seem being part of a Navy squadron had its perks. While in shore our barracks were three people rooms with its own bathroom. Pretty good digs. Guess they did that because of the sardine condition we lived in while out to sea. Though I have to say I loved being out to sea.
 
Yup. He said he went in that commisary and many others with no problem and this time there was guy (officer?) In there with a hair across his ass about no weapons. It was a effing 3" Keychain knife.
He was Navy, the other guy wasn't. Wasn't on a Navy base either. Not sure if that had anything to do with it.
I'll ask him again on the details. This happened 3 or so years ago.
One of the things that prompted him to put in his papers
That’s insane.
 
I think I told this story before but a buddy of mine was a Sgt (E-5) Medic and got DX’d from our unit over an incident in Seattle, going back to like 90 or 91 maybe.

The battalion was told we had to store all personal weapons in the arms room and they were clamping down on it. We all had guns in our wall lockers regularly until then.

Most guys said f*** it and just started hiding them better. Sgt T went into town on a date and while walking around overheard a woman yelling for help from an alley, she was being sexually assaulted. He stopped the attack with his personally owned pistol (no shots fired) and waited for police and ems to come and handle the rest.

His thanks from the BC one week later was packing his bags and being RFS’d (Released For Standards) from the unit because he hadn’t been storing this particular pistol in the armory to sign it in or out. This guy was no slouch either for the loss to the unit, he was a combat decorated medic, but, their house their rules.

In actuality the only end result from that was that we lost a great medic and 1st Group down the street gained one, but as many others have already said this was more than 30 yrs ago, so it’s nothing new for the army.
 
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